***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[wavycrocket]

I understand why he’s doing it, but this will contribute to the narrative that “norms” are fake and are a way for our elites to politely tell their constituents to accept unpopular and/or unfair policies.

We’ve long past that time man. And the dems “playing nice” just does not work. They are corrupt too. Just not anywhere in the universe as bad as the GOP, but this is classic Americanism right here.

Wealthy white men getting passes in the court of law….is literally what this country is about . The dems unfortunately have the burden of always living up to some bs “moral standard”….when it’s really window dressing. But they do it, and the GOP plays on the fact that they are supposed to be beholden to that.

All in all….corruption breads corruption. And Trump/MAGA intentionally pushed the “norms” out the window…for **** like this. We are here now.

This is the reality.

 

[wavycrocket]

no way yall think rgb and biden did the same sin
rbg allowed someone to take power of one of the most important positions in the government
biden let one more crackhead on the street
big difference

The worst thing Biden/Obama did was appeasing fake centrist. Appointing a guy from the Federalist Society as AG (Merrick Garland) and even having him as the sc nominee out of “bipartisanship” was dumb as hell.

Since they were going re-treads….they should’ve got Sally Yates for the job. Or Fiona Hill. But they rely on fake centrist from the federalist society.

Cooked

 

[Mark Antony]

I'm sick of hearing "what the left needs to do ".

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Dark Brandon strikes again

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I wonder if we're going to get any pro Palestinian protest at Trump rallies? Or is that only for Democrats?

 

[Belgium]

Belgium to your post the other day.



I blame CENK & TYT for the disaster of the “online left”. Every single post left grifter (including his nephew Hasan)…comes from that cutout. I’ve been saying for years that TYT is a cutout operation. And Hasan is controlled opposition. It’s weird that Hasan speaks perfect English, yet claims to have emigrated to America in the 2010s for college . Almost every popular “grifter” has passed through there

The list of horrible people from TYT is growing and it’s insane. If you know….the intercept & tyt low key have been shaping media in a negative way. Lots of connection with maga folks in there too.

Belgium what are your thoughts on TYT & The intercept? As well as cybersecurity and the hot war that’s going on under the radar right now? The Russia thing is still huge and looming.

I don't buy into the 'controlled opposition' thing, I think Hasan just has a huge ego while being rather dumb. As for TYT idk, I'm more of a reader of news than a watcher, and TYT was definitely not my thing.
I think The Intercept is pretty good overall since Glenn Greenwald resigned during his descent into schizo Alex Jones territory grifting.


I think the cyber operations that have reportedly been happening have been severely underreported, especially considering some of the people who were targeted.
Chinese hackers reportedly getting access to the phone of Trump's lead attorney in his criminal case for example should have been plastered all over the news.
The Harris campaign was also reportedly targeted but there's no comment or confirmation that any of the attempts were successful.

 

[Belgium]

Yeah I have mixed feelings about it. Hunter Biden is a scumbag but Biden really can't pardon his son after the nonsense that the Republicans do on a daily basis?

The only one to blame for Hunter Biden's legal troubles is Hunter Biden.
I think pardoning him, especially with such a broad specification, is just a horrible look. It's not like Hunter was gonna face any serious jail time.

Obviously Trump's pardons are infinitely more corrupt but I don't think that should be a pass for giving some privileged white man a free 11 year immunity from "any crimes" he may have committed during that time for the sole reason that he is the president's son.

 

[wavycrocket]

I don't buy into the 'controlled opposition' thing, I think Hasan just has a huge ego while being rather dumb. As for TYT idk, I'm more of a reader of news than a watcher, and TYT was definitely not my thing.
I think The Intercept is pretty good overall since Glenn Greenwald resigned during his descent into schizo Alex Jones territory grifting.


I think the cyber operations that have reportedly been happening have been severely underreported, especially considering some of the people who were targeted.
Chinese hackers reportedly getting access to the phone of Trump's lead attorney in his criminal case for example should have been plastered all over the news.
The Harris campaign was also reportedly targeted but there's no comment or confirmation that any of the attempts were successful.

I’m saying….what are the chances that every single one of these people…parrot the exact same talking points on Syria, Russia, Taiwan, Iran, China, Brazil etc.

This is the list, off the top of my head, in that “orbit”.

Cenk
Ana
Jimmy Dore
Michael Tracey
Shaun King
Dave Rubin
Ken Klipperstein
Ryan Grim
Kyle Kulinski
Hasan
David Sirota
Glenn Greenwald
Briahna Joy Gray
Aaron Mate
Max Blumenthal

You don’t have to follow politics THAT closely, To recognize their profiles…and how often they signal boost each other and go on the podcast circuit. All of them had direct lines to Rogan as well….amplifying their platforms.

99% of them went to rumble, all in podcast network or substack. Almost all of them are pro Russia, and share sympathies with MAGA, and love Tucker Carlson and are now soft on Alex jones.

I think this has been the thing that has been way underreported. They have a much larger influence on dialogue in politics than people think. They are the entry point. And use terminology that gets picked up by the right (through Greenwald and them) in a way that truly co-opts “lefties aesthetics” for fascism.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

TYT is what happens when you take the conspiratorial left view of politics to its natural braindead conclusion.


if money in politics is the cause of everything wrong with american politics, and the Democratic party starts raising more money than the republicans....

according to TYT logic the that makes Democrats the just as bad if not worse than Republicans.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I’m saying….what are the chances that every single one of these people…parrot the exact same talking points on Syria, Russia, Taiwan, Iran, China etc.

This is the list, off the top of my head, in that “orbit”.

Cenk
Ana
Jimmy Dore
Michael Tracey
Shaun King
Dave Rubin
Ken Klipperstein
Ryan Grim
Kyle Kulinski
Hasan
David Sirota
Glenn Greenwald
Briahna Joy Gray

You don’t have to follow politics THAT closely? To recognize their profiles…and how often they signal boost each other and go on the podcast circuit. All of them had direct lines to Rogan as well….amplifying their platforms.

99% of them went to rumble, all in podcast network or substack. Almost all of them are pro Russia, and share sympathies with MAGA, and love Tucker Carlson and are now soft on Alex jones.

I think this has been the thing that has been way underreported. They have a much larger influence on dialogue in politics than people think. They are the entry point. And use terminology that gets picked up by the right (through Greenwald and them) in a way that truly co-opts “lefties aesthetics” for fascism.

Id qualify these people as "useful idiots" and not actual russian plants.

other than Dave Rubin.

these are just anti America foreign policy people.
they get there in different ways some through the left and some through the right.


but fundamentally all foreign policy boils down to american = bad.

 

[wavycrocket]

Insanity

 

[Belgium]

I’m saying….what are the chances that every single one of these people…parrot the exact same talking points on Syria, Russia, Taiwan, Iran, China, Brazil etc.

This is the list, off the top of my head, in that “orbit”.

Cenk
Ana
Jimmy Dore
Michael Tracey
Shaun King
Dave Rubin
Ken Klipperstein
Ryan Grim
Kyle Kulinski
Hasan
David Sirota
Glenn Greenwald
Briahna Joy Gray
Aaron Mate
Max Blumenthal

You don’t have to follow politics THAT closely, To recognize their profiles…and how often they signal boost each other and go on the podcast circuit. All of them had direct lines to Rogan as well….amplifying their platforms.

99% of them went to rumble, all in podcast network or substack. Almost all of them are pro Russia, and share sympathies with MAGA, and love Tucker Carlson and are now soft on Alex jones.

I think this has been the thing that has been way underreported. They have a much larger influence on dialogue in politics than people think. They are the entry point. And use terminology that gets picked up by the right (through Greenwald and them) in a way that truly co-opts “lefties aesthetics” for fascism.

A lot of these people went down the rightwing grifter pipeline when they found it to be more profitable.

For what it's worth, Hasan does support Democrats and repeatedly urges his viewers to go out and vote for the Dems in local, state and national elections. His rhetoric on the other hand fosters a community that feeds off of outrage and even though they worship Hasan, many of them become disillusioned and cut off their nose to spit their face because of something like Gaza. Same thing happened with Bernie. A significant part of his audience doesn't even care that he urges them to vote Dem while telling them the worst Dem is still a million times better than the best Republican, and it's a product of his rhetoric.
He doesn't seem to have a good understanding of his influence, audience capture and any foreign policy position he has can be summed up as 'America bad' with no room for nuance. There's also no on to criticize him because dissenting opinions will get you swiftly banned from his chat. If a major content creator criticizes him, he doesn't show his viewers the source material or cuts context out of clips and instead just describes it in a very disingenuous way. Generally he'll act like he hasn't seen the criticism and respond to a non-existent distortion of the critique so he can easily brush it off.
I wouldn't say I've quite seen enough to call him anti-semitic (and no I don't mean condemning Israel) but part of his audience certainly is. It's not even unusual to see things in there you'd expect to hear in Nazi Germany. Especially after his 'interview' praising a Houthi terrorist involving in hijacking innocent commercial ships and holding hostages.
The Houthi flag literally says "Death to Israel, a curse upon the jews" so it's not hard to see why this braindead 'america bad, anti-america good' foreign policy viewpoint is harmful garbage.

 

[wavycrocket]

Id qualify these people as "useful idiots" and not actual russian plants.

other than Dave Rubin.

these are just anti America foreign policy people.
they get there in different ways some through the left and some through the right.


but fundamentally all foreign policy boils down to american = bad.

The fact that they play tongue in cheek, and have podcasts named “Useful Idiots” (on allin - David Sacks/Briahna Joy Gray). Or “red scare” gives the game away. Can’t forget Taibbi to. If you know his history….especially what he did in Russia, you’ll raise an eyebrow. Same for Aaron Mate in Syria, and Max Blumenthal with the Gray Zone. Jimmy dore was also proven to have private funding from a billionaire to spew talking points (connected to maga) he tried to cover up .



I don’t think they are useful idiots. They are complicit. Either compromised or for the money. It’s long past that. Especially what we seen with Tim Pool, Rubin & Abbey Martin (another one who did the post left grift).

Idk….untraceable Patreon subs and random podcast that are actually funded by musk/thiel networks that all of them seem to be in, is not a coincidence or just being a useful idiot. There is something much more nefarious here. And I think the entire podcast network of bros are either willingly or unwillingly involved down stream too. You can predict with 100% certainty where they land on ALL of these issues on geopolitics. And their podcast always come down to bigging up Americas geo-political foes, ****ting on americas geopolitical allies….and the only criticism they have is….DEMS BAD, both sides are terrible…MAGA are the true populist and people should go there. Along with CONSTANT ****ting of American institutions and media…while constantly promoting Rumble and X.com

The Only republicans they **** on, are the ones who recognize the real MAGA threat.

Its beyond weird now.

 

[cedric ceballos]

I wonder if we're going to get any pro Palestinian protest at Trump rallies? Or is that only for Democrats?

I doubt it. The narrative for months was “Biden is the President, not Trump so why would we do it at his rallies” when people pressed them before as to why they don’t show up at Republican Trump MAGA events showing the same energy.

They aren’t trying it at Trump events because they’re either getting locked up or getting hands put on them. Possibly both. Hell I’ve even seen some on Reddit make it clear they want no part of disrupting any Republican events because they know it’s not as safe and convenient as it is when they do it to the Dems. Would be nice to see them stand on business and bring that energy to some Trump rallies though.

 

[Raji Lowenthal]

Hunter made gun toting crackheads everywhere in the US proud. Biden cemented his legacy today and the clown show on both sides continues. HUSA (at some point the ****s gotta stop right? Right?)

 

[Raji Lowenthal]

I may be over reacting

 

[osh kosh bosh]

We’ve long past that time man. And the dems “playing nice” just does not work. They are corrupt too. Just not anywhere in the universe as bad as the GOP, but this is classic Americanism right here.

Wealthy white men getting passes in the court of law….is literally what this country is about . The dems unfortunately have the burden of always living up to some bs “moral standard”….when it’s really window dressing. But they do it, and the GOP plays on the fact that they are supposed to be beholden to that.

All in all….corruption breads corruption. And Trump/MAGA intentionally pushed the “norms” out the window…for **** like this. We are here now.

This is the reality.

I would agree with this if this helped democrats.

Like you should "stop playing nice" in order to do things that would help democrats.

How does pardoning Joe Biden's son help Democrats?

 

[rolaholic]

This cabinet is turning into the biggest auction ever

 

[gry60]

Yeah I have mixed feelings about it. Hunter Biden is a scumbag but Biden really can't pardon his son after the nonsense that the Republicans do on a daily basis?

This.

And it's not even that they openly embrace scumbaggery; the press barely calls them out, and the people rewards them with power.

 

[gry60]

I think pardoning him, especially with such a broad specification, is just a horrible look.

I think it's important to consider the context in which "Hunter Biden" becomes a politically important story and why the pardon was so broad: republicans went after him to hurt Joe Biden in the wake of Trump's anti-democratic actions that got him impeached twice. That's it.

If Republicans had stuck to the norms, they wouldn't have supported the effort to contest the 2020 election, they wouldn't have ignored the Mar-a-Lago classified document leaks, and they wouldn't have emboldened Russia by weakening Ukraine. Remember that Trump was the reason why the RNC changed its official position on Ukraine support in 2016.

Republicans sold out the US in exchange for control of the country a long *** time ago. And if I were Biden, I'd make sure they don't come after anyone in my family because the reality is, they won't stop; it's a witch hunt out there, and Dems are the target.

 

[nonnative]

I think it's important to consider the context in which "Hunter Biden" becomes a politically important story and why the pardon was so broad: republicans went after him to hurt Joe Biden in the wake of Trump's anti-democratic actions that got him impeached twice. That's it.

If Republicans had stuck to the norms, they wouldn't have supported the effort to contest the 2020 election, they wouldn't have ignored the Mar-a-Lago classified document leaks, and they wouldn't have emboldened Russia by weakening Ukraine. Remember that Trump was the reason why the RNC changed its official position on Ukraine support in 2016.

Republicans sold out the US in exchange for control of the country a long *** time ago. And if I were Biden, I'd make sure they don't come after anyone in my family because the reality is, they won't stop; it's a witch hunt out there, and Dems are the target.

Exactly. This was an actual witch hunt and he never would have been charged if he wasnt Joe's kid.

This could actually help dems in the long run because Joe's finally wielded a fraction of the power repubs have been using and hopefully more dems realize it can be done and follow suit. Maybe it'll hurt the dems but based on people I've talked to today about it, the overwhelming reponse is positive.

Also, there isnt a single scenario where this is going to give Trump and the rest of his gang any more ammo or reason to do anything they weren't already planning on doing anyway. Thats such a bad argument.

 

[mplsdunk]

Hunter made gun toting crackheads everywhere in the US proud. Biden cemented his legacy today and the clown show on both sides continues. HUSA (at some point the ****s gotta stop right? Right?)

 

[Comparison Ford]

Not mad at him.

*edit: Lol mplsdunk beat me to it

 

[osh kosh bosh]

 

[mplsdunk]

great minds Comparison Ford