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I forgot the religious fanatics are only on one side. Gotta double check our doctrines to make sure things werent edited out :stoneface::stoneface::stoneface::stoneface:
I just listened to herzog, in the last half hour, ominously mention a 3000 yo “Prophet” but it might have been a translation issue :stoneface:
 



I really can't believe people are really getting tricked by this.

Bibi's already destroyed everything, he's already destroyed Hamas, they took out Hezbollah.

They've accomplished every single military objective. There's nothing left to do.

Acting like Trump forced them into a ceasefire is INSANE. Bibi was clearly was just holding out just to give Trump a win anf **** democrats one last time.

It's so obvious. But people want to be useful idiots. :smh:
 



I really can't believe people are really getting tricked by this.

Bibi's already destroyed everything, he's already destroyed Hamas, they took out Hezbollah.

They've accomplished every single military objective. There's nothing left to do.

Acting like Trump forced them into a ceasefire is INSANE. Bibi was clearly was just holding out just to give Trump a win anf **** democrats one last time.

It's so obvious. But people want to be useful idiots. :smh:

You are correct on all counts. Like a divorced woman who regrets that their ex husband is now happy.

They rewrite history to justify their actions (voting for the biggot who moved the US embassy to Jerusalem)
 
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Trump Made the Gaza Cease-Fire Happen​

But not for the reasons he or Biden’s critics say
By Yair Rosenberg
People looking at smoke over the Gaza Strip



Today, after 15 months of brutal war, Israel and Hamas agreed to a deal to secure the release of Israeli hostages and the cessation of hostilities in Gaza. The agreement’s first six weeks will see Israel withdraw from much of the enclave and release hundreds of Palestinian prisoners, including convicted mass murderers, in exchange for Hamas releasing 33 captive Israelis—some living, some dead. Should everything proceed according to plan, subsequent negotiations would assure the release of the remaining Israeli hostages and the reconstruction of Gaza in the deal’s second and third stages.

Given the precarious nature of the deal’s phased structure, the matter is far from settled, despite the headlines and handshakes. The accord must also still be ratified by the Israeli cabinet. If that happens, the ensuing weeks will be traumatic, as returning Gazan refugees discover whether their homes are still standing, and the families of Israel’s hostages discover whether their loved ones are still alive.

The tentative agreement is nonetheless a victory for the foreign-policy teams of Presidents Joe Biden and Donald Trump, who worked in tandem with regional partners Qatar and Egypt to bring it about. The terms largely echo a proposal laid out by Biden himself in May 2024, but the incoming president dragged the parties over the finish line. What changed was not Washington’s general orientation toward the conflict. Far from turning up the heat on Israel, Trump telegraphed a further embrace of its positions during his 2024 campaign, repeatedly attacking Biden for restricting arms sales to Israel. But this posture may have helped deliver both sides: Hamas could reasonably surmise that it would not get a better deal during Trump’s presidency, while Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s hard-right government likely acceded to the arrangement in order to stay in the new leader’s good graces as he assumed office.

The Israeli far right, whose lawmakers hold the margin of power in Netanyahu’s coalition, had previously threatened to collapse the government should a deal be reached without Hamas fully vanquished from Gaza. But amid Trump’s return, the radicals have their eyes on bigger prizes, such as the annexation of the West Bank—which the Palestinians claim for their future state—and are loath to forgo such opportunities. For this reason, they will likely vote against the cease-fire but leave Netanyahu in power, allowing him to enact it.


Put another way, it’s not that Trump had a stick with which to beat Israel that Biden didn’t have; it’s that his presidency holds out the prospect of carrots that Biden would never offer. It was less the president-elect’s pressure than his potential promise that brought the Israeli far right onside. With Trump, everything is a transaction, and for his would-be suitors—not just Israel, but also Hamas’s sponsors in Qatar—the Gaza cease-fire is a down payment.

On the Palestinian side, the deal marks a momentary if Pyrrhic triumph for an eviscerated Hamas, which will get to claim that it outlasted the Israeli army and parade some of the released prisoners through the streets of Gaza. But with its leaders killed and its territory devastated, the group will have little to celebrate or to show for its atrocities on October 7. The terrorist organization may continue to impose its will by force, but it is deeply unpopular in its own backyard, according to recent polls.

Meanwhile, with Hamas chief Yahya Sinwar dead, Lebanon’s Hezbollah decimated, Syria’s pro-Iran regime overthrown, and Iran’s so-called Axis of Resistance shattered, Netanyahu has a plausible claim to victory, should the deal hold. And if it doesn’t, or should Hamas prove insufficiently forthcoming in negotiations over the remaining hostages, he has a new American president in office who may happily underwrite a return to hostilities.

The guns might mercifully fall silent for now, but if history is any indication, the long war between Israel and Hamas will continue, in one form or another.

Like I said, probably sooner rather than later.

Trump and Bibi probably cases of clown make-up ready for folk
 


California will never break the addiction to NIMBYISM.

The craziest thing about this, in my opinion, is that there are no back yards left.

If I’m the owner of charred property in the area, I *definitely* want this to be rezoned for multi-housing because my land value will go through the roof and I no longer have any building value. All of that land has been effectively undervalued for decades because there was no way to extract maximum value because of.. NIMBYism.

Some developer needs to show those people some preliminary bids…
 
There's nothing left to do.

Looking at things from the perspective of Bibi, there's plenty left to do: there's still land to take, four years to do it with the blessing of DC, and no military opposition from Middle Eastern adversaries to stop it.

People should not forget that Mike Huckabee has been nominated as ambassador to Israel. They might want to check his record on the issue.

‘A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush’
 
Looking at things from the perspective of Bibi, there's plenty left to do: there's still land to take, four years to do it with the blessing of DC, and no military opposition from Middle Eastern adversaries to stop it.

People should not forget that Mike Huckabee has been nominated as ambassador to Israel. They might want to check his record on the issue.

‘A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush’
I mean interns of the Isreal-Hamas war there's nothing left to do.
 


I’m sad to see TikTok go (especially with all other major American social media coincidentally going full fash) but at least I know that our stable, vibrant democracy is keeping us safe from a foreign adversary and their high speed rail, dense walkable housing developments, and easy access to homeownership for the working class.
 


I’m sad to see TikTok go (especially with all other major American social media coincidentally going full fash) but at least I know that our stable, vibrant democracy is keeping us safe from a foreign adversary and their high speed rail, dense walkable housing developments, and easy access to homeownership for the working class.

 
I know that our stable, vibrant democracy is keeping us safe from a foreign adversary and their high speed rail, dense walkable housing developments, and easy access to homeownership for the working class.
You know what?


I don't want to have my face scanned to get toilet paper at work, so I'll take this proto-autocracy over the other one
 


I’m sad to see TikTok go (especially with all other major American social media coincidentally going full fash) but at least I know that our stable, vibrant democracy is keeping us safe from a foreign adversary and their high speed rail, dense walkable housing developments, and easy access to homeownership for the working class.


so american bad

but the han chinese supremacist state with an incompetent dictator is good?


yah im sorry im not rollin

 
People going to Red Note seems really silly to me.

My cousin said she and all her friends are going to Chinese Tiktok too. Because I have been mocking her about the whataboutism she comes up with to attack the US government, when in reality she is just really addicted to the app.

I told her cool, I look forward to her and her friends' activism for marginalized groups in China.

That the Uyghurs should not worry, help is on the way!!!!!!

WhatsApp said she read the message, strangely she hasn't responded back yet. Been a couple days.
 
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