***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[deleted]

This is a real human issue going on that even some republicans have acknowledged

And that number just keeps growing as time passes

I believe it's almost doubled in recent years

That's one of those "dying ideologies" that ninja loves to talk about so much

 

[RustyShackleford]

Global warming is a misnomer.


Also it's funny that ninja is posting that piece by a guy that knows climate change is real

climate change is "real" because da climate always changes.....

I agree with the initial statement BUT the argument that is made in the scientific community is there is a need for figuring out how much humans are altering the course of climate change, seasonal shifts, weather patterns, and extreme weather events.

Anyone with half a brain knows the climate changes, but the problem is we don't know how much we effect it as humans because we don't have a big enough sample size of time in relation to the advances we've made in technology and ability to pollute the atmosphere.

There are interests groups (big surprise they involve oil and nonrenewable energy sources) who are dedicated to stifling the scientific community and outright lying to the public about the need for further research into the dangers of rapid climate change. I agree with your previous points about da liberals being hyperbolic in terms of climate change, but the fact of the matter is its still real and it will still have lasting effects on society, as well as the economy. I can almost promise we can have da hemi AND mostly clean healthy air if proper research is done by the people who need to do it.

At this time I'm going to acknowledge that you said it is real, and I want everyone here to realize that that is the best we're gonna get out of this conversation

Anyone who read this whole post or at least this part and is a climate change skeptic, please look into "coral bleaching". Look into rapidly changing tides and water levels, notably in Virginia. There is tangible evidence of the dangers of man influenced climate change.

Da OG muscle car era gotta stay within his price range b, kill dat noise, and **** da planet.

 

[sundoobie]

I am gonna start burning empty water bottles at beach bonfires then for carbon dioxide purposes and since you know climate always changes!

 

[Black Lotus]

Da OG muscle car era gotta stay within his price range b, kill dat noise, and **** da planet.

 

[ninjahood]

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...ge-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle


Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...ge-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle

National Review?

Might want to try again

National Review is a reputable source...it just doesn't dove with liberals in this thread.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

The most ****** up part is if the companies who are lobbying against the scientific community on this would allow the research to get done and not try to downplay it, strides could be made in the auto industry that could theoretically decrease cost of da OG muscle.

I'm sleep though

 

[ninjahood]

The most ****** up part is if the companies who are lobbying against the scientific community on this would allow the research to get done and not try to downplay it, strides could be made in the auto industry that could theoretically decrease cost of da OG muscle.

I'm sleep though

OG muscle cars bout to go down because legislation passed that enables companies to remake em under license turnkey without going thru massive regulations.

 

[sfc415]

Prices have already been decreasing. Modern muscle cars start in the low-mid 20s, which is the price of a Honda Accord. I don't know how much cheaper you need them to be

 

[RustyShackleford]

Da OG muscle car era gotta stay within his price range b, kill dat noise, and **** da planet.

 

[AZwildcats]

There are some issues we can debate, economic policy, social issues etc etc. Whether or not CO2 is a pollutant and has an effect on the climate is one I'm not even gonna entertain. 

 

[deleted]

National Review is a reputable source...it just doesn't dove with liberals in this thread.

http://www.allsides.com/bias/bias-ratings

 

[ninjahood]

 
There are some issues we can debate, economic policy, social issues etc etc. Whether or not CO2 is a pollutant and has an effect on the climate is one I'm not even gonna entertain. 

so dont, wont matter anyone..regulation is being stripped January.

might as well not exhale while you at it.

 

[ninjahood]

Prices have already been decreasing. Modern muscle cars start in the low-mid 20s, which is the price of a Honda Accord. I don't know how much cheaper you need them to be

those are da bottom basement bare bones stripped rental specials with v6 and 4 banger engines.

 

[AZwildcats]

 

 
There are some issues we can debate, economic policy, social issues etc etc. Whether or not CO2 is a pollutant and has an effect on the climate is one I'm not even gonna entertain. 

so dont, wont matter anyone..regulation is being stripped January.

might as well not exhale while you at it.

 

 

[deleted]

I agree with you on that

A four cylinder Mustang is not a muscle car

 

[sfc415]

I did a quick comparison of prices from DA OG ERA and the modern era

http://www.mustangspecs.com/years/64-65.shtml

170cid 6cyl 1V 101hp (1964½)
260cid 2V V-8 164hp (1964½)

Retail Prices
Standard Convertible: $2,557
Standard Coupe: $2,320
Standard Fastback: $2,533


http://www.in2013dollars.com/1964-dollars-in-2015?amount=2320

$2,320 in 1964 → $17,870.14 in 2016
$2,533 in 1964 → $19,510.80 in 2016



Now let's look at the 2017 model

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/v6fastback/

$24,915

Horsepower

300 hp @ 6500 rpm (3.7L V6)
310 hp @ 5500 rpm (2.3L EcoBoost[emoji]174[/emoji], Premium Fuel)
435 hp @ 6500 rpm (5.0L V8, Premium Fuel)
526 hp @ 7,500 rpm (5.2L FPC V8, Premium fuel)


$5-7K more for double the horsepower along with features that make modern cars pretty much like spaceships (including advanced safety and 3x better fuel economy) and Ninjahood is complaining about prices and wanting da OG era of inefficient gas guzzling v8s and riding around in a nylon seated bucket back.

 

[stuntman mike]

the denial of human-caused climate change really boggles my mind and saddens me.

 

[Belgium]

 
http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...ge-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...ge-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-scientists-idUSKCN11Q2PD

 
The 375 members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, including 30 Nobel Prize winners, said in an open letter that a U.S. abandonment of the agreement would make it far harder to develop global strategies to lessen the impact of global warming.

"Thus it is of great concern that the Republican nominee for President has advocated U.S. withdrawal from the Paris Accord," the letter said.

"A 'Parexit' would send a clear signal to the rest of the world: 'The United States does not care about the global problem of human-caused climate change. You are on your own.'"

Among the signers are biologist E.O. Wilson, physicists Stephen Hawking and Claude Canizares, astrophysicist Simon D.M. White, and Nobel winners Thomas Steitz, Michael Levitt and William Daniel Phillips.

http://responsiblescientists.org/

 
[h2]An Open Letter Regarding Climate Change From
Concerned Members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences[/h2]
An Open Letter Regarding Climate Change From

Concerned Members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences

Human-caused climate change is not a belief, a hoax, or a conspiracy. It is a physical reality. Fossil fuels powered the Industrial Revolution. But the burning of oil, coal, and gas also caused most of the historical increase in atmospheric levels of heat-trapping greenhouse gases. This increase in greenhouse gases is changing Earth’s climate.

Our fingerprints on the climate system are visible everywhere. They are seen in warming of the oceans, the land surface, and the lower atmosphere. They are identifiable in sea level rise, altered rainfall patterns, retreat of Arctic sea ice, ocean acidification, and many other aspects of the climate system. Human-caused climate change is not something far removed from our day-to-day experience, affecting only the remote Arctic. It is present here and now, in our own country, in our own states, and in our own communities.

During the Presidential primary campaign, claims were made that the Earth is not warming, or that warming is due to purely natural causes outside of human control. Such claims are inconsistent with reality.

Others argued that no action is warranted until we have absolute certainty about human impacts on climate. Absolute certainty is unattainable. We are certain beyond a reasonable doubt, however, that the problem of human-caused climate change is real, serious, and immediate, and that this problem poses significant risks: to our ability to thrive and build a better future, to national security, to human health and food production, and to the interconnected web of living systems.

The basic science of how greenhouse gases trap heat is clear, and has been for over a century. Ultimately, the strength of that basic science brought the governments of the world to Paris in December 2015. They went to Paris despite pronounced differences in systems of government, in national self-interest, in culpability for past emissions of greenhouse gases, and in vulnerability to future climate change. The leaders of over 190 countries recognized that the problem of human-caused climate change is a danger to present and future citizens of our planet. They made national commitments to address this problem. It was a small but historic and vital first step towards more enlightened stewardship of Earth’s climate system.

From studies of changes in temperature and sea level over the last million years, we know that the climate system has tipping points. Our proximity to these tipping points is uncertain. We know, however, that rapid warming of the planet increases the risk of crossing climatic points of no return, possibly setting in motion large-scale ocean circulation changes, the loss of major ice sheets, and species extinctions. The climatic consequences of exceeding such thresholds are not confined to the next one or two electoral cycles. They have lifetimes of many thousands of years.

The political system also has tipping points. Thus it is of great concern that the Republican nominee for President has advocated U.S. withdrawal from the Paris Accord. A “Parexit” would send a clear signal to the rest of the world: "The United States does not care about the global problem of human-caused climate change. You are on your own." Such a decision would make it far more difficult to develop effective global strategies for mitigating and adapting to climate change. The consequences of opting out of the global community would be severe and long-lasting – for our planet’s climate and for the international credibility of the United States.

The United States can and must be a major player in developing innovative solutions to the problem of reducing emissions of greenhouse gases. Nations that find innovative ways of decarbonizing energy systems and sequestering CO2 will be the economic leaders of the 21st century. Walking away from Paris makes it less likely that the U.S. will have a global leadership role, politically, economically, or morally. We cannot afford to cross that tipping point. 

The following signers of this letter do so as individual NAS members and not on behalf of the NAS itself or their Institutions. 

Surely you have a valid counter-argument as to why all of these scientists are wrong 

 

[RIP sleazyy]

The most ****** up part is if the companies who are lobbying against the scientific community on this would allow the research to get done and not try to downplay it, strides could be made in the auto industry that could theoretically decrease cost of da OG muscle.


I'm sleep though

OG muscle cars bout to go down because legislation passed that enables companies to remake em under license turnkey without going thru massive regulations.

While this is true, this method is at the expense of the earth, the air, and down the line it will have effects that really matter. I don't agree with massive regulation but I do think it's a problem that they're actively lobbying against finding out what we're doing to the earth, and at the same time fictitiously "debunking" the obvious facts.

Long story short - they're playing you as the consumer, and they're playing people like me who worry about the future for my kid.

 

[EddieDoyers]

The most ****** up part is if the companies who are lobbying against the scientific community on this would allow the research to get done and not try to downplay it, strides could be made in the auto industry that could theoretically decrease cost of da OG muscle.


I'm sleep though

OG muscle cars bout to go down because legislation passed that enables companies to remake em under license turnkey without going thru massive regulations.

While this is true, this method is at the expense of the earth, the air, and down the line it will have effects that really matter. I don't agree with massive regulation but I do think it's a problem that they're actively lobbying against finding out what we're doing to the earth, and at the same time fictitiously "debunking" the obvious facts.

Long story short - they're playing you as the consumer, and they're playing people like me who worry about the future for my kid.

Why would they want to find out about something that could affect their pockets?
If **** hits the fan, let the next generation figure it out right?
I really don't get this logic by some of these politicians.

 

[ninjahood]

 

 
http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...ge-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...ge-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-scientists-idUSKCN11Q2PD

 
The 375 members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, including 30 Nobel Prize winners, said in an open letter that a U.S. abandonment of the agreement would make it far harder to develop global strategies to lessen the impact of global warming.

"Thus it is of great concern that the Republican nominee for President has advocated U.S. withdrawal from the Paris Accord," the letter said.

"A 'Parexit' would send a clear signal to the rest of the world: 'The United States does not care about the global problem of human-caused climate change. You are on your own.'"

Among the signers are biologist E.O. Wilson, physicists Stephen Hawking and Claude Canizares, astrophysicist Simon D.M. White, and Nobel winners Thomas Steitz, Michael Levitt and William Daniel Phillips.

http://responsiblescientists.org/

 
[h2]An Open Letter Regarding Climate Change From
Concerned Members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences[/h2]
An Open Letter Regarding Climate Change From

Concerned Members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences

Human-caused climate change is not a belief, a hoax, or a conspiracy. It is a physical reality. Fossil fuels powered the Industrial Revolution. But the burning of oil, coal, and gas also caused most of the historical increase in atmospheric levels of heat-trapping greenhouse gases. This increase in greenhouse gases is changing Earth’s climate.

Our fingerprints on the climate system are visible everywhere. They are seen in warming of the oceans, the land surface, and the lower atmosphere. They are identifiable in sea level rise, altered rainfall patterns, retreat of Arctic sea ice, ocean acidification, and many other aspects of the climate system. Human-caused climate change is not something far removed from our day-to-day experience, affecting only the remote Arctic. It is present here and now, in our own country, in our own states, and in our own communities.

During the Presidential primary campaign, claims were made that the Earth is not warming, or that warming is due to purely natural causes outside of human control. Such claims are inconsistent with reality.

Others argued that no action is warranted until we have absolute certainty about human impacts on climate. Absolute certainty is unattainable. We are certain beyond a reasonable doubt, however, that the problem of human-caused climate change is real, serious, and immediate, and that this problem poses significant risks: to our ability to thrive and build a better future, to national security, to human health and food production, and to the interconnected web of living systems.

The basic science of how greenhouse gases trap heat is clear, and has been for over a century. Ultimately, the strength of that basic science brought the governments of the world to Paris in December 2015. They went to Paris despite pronounced differences in systems of government, in national self-interest, in culpability for past emissions of greenhouse gases, and in vulnerability to future climate change. The leaders of over 190 countries recognized that the problem of human-caused climate change is a danger to present and future citizens of our planet. They made national commitments to address this problem. It was a small but historic and vital first step towards more enlightened stewardship of Earth’s climate system.

From studies of changes in temperature and sea level over the last million years, we know that the climate system has tipping points. Our proximity to these tipping points is uncertain. We know, however, that rapid warming of the planet increases the risk of crossing climatic points of no return, possibly setting in motion large-scale ocean circulation changes, the loss of major ice sheets, and species extinctions. The climatic consequences of exceeding such thresholds are not confined to the next one or two electoral cycles. They have lifetimes of many thousands of years.

The political system also has tipping points. Thus it is of great concern that the Republican nominee for President has advocated U.S. withdrawal from the Paris Accord. A “Parexit” would send a clear signal to the rest of the world: "The United States does not care about the global problem of human-caused climate change. You are on your own." Such a decision would make it far more difficult to develop effective global strategies for mitigating and adapting to climate change. The consequences of opting out of the global community would be severe and long-lasting – for our planet’s climate and for the international credibility of the United States.

The United States can and must be a major player in developing innovative solutions to the problem of reducing emissions of greenhouse gases. Nations that find innovative ways of decarbonizing energy systems and sequestering CO2 will be the economic leaders of the 21st century. Walking away from Paris makes it less likely that the U.S. will have a global leadership role, politically, economically, or morally. We cannot afford to cross that tipping point. 

The following signers of this letter do so as individual NAS members and not on behalf of the NAS itself or their Institutions. 

Surely you have a valid counter-argument as to why all of these scientists are wrong 

they can kick rocks.

America gon' do what America whats to do.

thats why Obama ain't put up da paris accord as a treaty cux it would've been dead upon arrival.

its basically dead now come January.

 

[Based Jesus]

the denial of human-caused climate change really boggles my mind and saddens me.

There are people that think the earth is flat and the holocaust didm't happen, denial of climate change doesnt even surprise me

 

[sfc415]

"they can kick rocks. America gon' do what America wants to do."


Ignorant hick American mentality in a nutshell.

 

[Belgium]

they can kick rocks.

America gon' do what America whats to do.

thats why Obama ain't put up da paris accord as a treaty cux it would've been dead upon arrival.

its basically dead now come January.

Mindblowing how people still dismiss science in 2016. Science is the reason your precious OG muscle car exists in the first place.
You tell some of the world's best scientists to go kick rocks and then act offended when somebody calls you ignorant.

 

[ksteezy]

I need to invest in Gas masks....Ninjas utopia is gonna be filled with so much smog we gonna feel like we breathing through a straw.

Copping all the gas masks I can now and gonna be selling them for 4x retail.