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I think we all want da Donald to do well, we just have different expectations. Let's hope he beats the odds once more and doesn't spiral into total disaster.
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I want the country to do well over the next four years......I want Trump to fail.
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same way he couldn't be da GOP standard bearer...same way Abuela was gonna have a landslide election against him right?
i think its time da liberals in this thread take a breather till January...
we've seen enough.
daddy style
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Not me, I want this country to fail, bigly. lol
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same way he couldn't be da GOP standard bearer...same way Abuela was gonna have a landslide election against him right?
i think its time da liberals in this thread take a breather till January...
we've seen enough.
Dude he can't, we are not talking politics, we are talking economics.
He can't cut tax for the rich, engage in deficit spending, not cut entitlements, still spend a ton on the military and have everything budget neutral.
No one has ever, done that, ever. Not Reagan, not Clinton, no one.
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everysingletime
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Da Don will be da first
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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/...trump-to-focus-on-health-care-first-poll.html
Let's see how she does it when taxes get cut.
Not that I wouldn't love it, but I'm realistic as far as what needs to be done for low cost healthcare to happen.
Let's see how she does it when taxes get cut.
Not that I wouldn't love it, but I'm realistic as far as what needs to be done for low cost healthcare to happen.
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Sure, if the plan is to handle the budget like he did his tax returns and hope that his propagandist-in-chief does the work of convincing the public that his policies are working.
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Unless Harry Porter is a member of the alt-right, no he won't
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[h1]Marine Le Pen takes huge lead over Nicolas Sarkozy in French first round presidential election poll[/h1]
Results likely to add to growing fears far-right leader could be on course for victory in wake of shock Brexit and US presidential votes
Front National leader Marine Le Pen has taken a sizeable lead over Nicolas Sarkozy in a new French presidential election poll.
The far-right leader had 29 per cent of the vote when pitted against Les Républicains’ former president, who was eight points behind, and held a 15-point lead over the Parti de Gauche’s Jean-Luc Mélenchon in the poll released by Ipsos.
It was one of five scenarios for the first round of France's 2017 presidential elections on 23 April, although one that did not include Les Républicains’ Alain Juppé – who remains strong favourite to succeed Francois Hollande as leader.
While Mr Juppé holds leads of between 4 and 7 per cent in three other scenarios including him, the results are likely to add to growing fears that the rise of global populism could see Ms Le Pen secure a surprise victory in the wake of the UK’s Brexit vote and Donald Trump’s US election win.
Under the French election system, barring the unlikely possibility one candidate gains an overall majority in the first round vote, the two candidates with the most votes will contest a second and decisive round on 7 May.
Second round opinion polls have consistenly given Mr Juppé a significant lead over Ms Le Pen.
It came as leading French philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy warned people had lost interest in whether politicians tell the truth, in a development he said could set the Front National on course to occupy the Élysée Palace.
“If Trump is possible, then everything is possible. Nothing, from now on, is unimaginable,” Mr Lévy told The Telegraph.
“As for Le Pen it is unlikely that she wins but it is possible, and that is partly because the people have lost interest in policy, instead focusing on personality.
“The people listen less and less to policy and they even seem less concerned about whether the candidates are telling the truth or not.
“They are more interested in the performance, in the theatrical quality of what is said than whether it is true. And as we know, a fascist can put on a very successful performance.”
The latest polls emerged as French conservatives voted in primaries on Sunday to choose their presidential nominee to face Front National candidate Ms Le Pen.
Seven candidates are competing for their position in the primaries and a second vote will be held next week to decide between the two frontrunners.
The three leading candidates are former president Mr Sarkozy and former prime ministers Francois Fillon and Alain Juppé - with many non-Republican voters hoping Mr Juppé wins as he has the best chance of beating Ms Le Pen.
French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said a Le Pen win next year could be “possible” and has warned of the danger of electing a far-right president, with many expecting Ms Le Pen to face a candidate from the centre-right if she makes it to the second round, given the current unpopularity of the ruling Socialist party.
Ms Le Pen has led the far-right Front National since 2011, when she succeeded her father Jean-Marie Le Pen, the party’s founder.
Since taking over the party, Ms Le Pen has made efforts to distance herself from her father’s openly antisemitic views, who has been convicted repeatedly for hate speech and contesting crimes against humanity, including describing gas chambers used to kill Jews in the Holocaust as a “detail” of history.
However, critics have branded Ms Le Pen a “fascist” and accused her of exploiting growing anti-immigration sentiment.
The 48-year-old appeared on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show on Remembrance Sunday, causing a crowd of Unite Against Fascism protesters to gather outside the BBC building.
Jeremy Corbyn, who also appeared on the show, told Marr: “She uses this populism against minorities in order to get herself elected.
“The reality is she does not have an economic answer to the problems faced by the left behind communities in France any more than Ukip has an economic answer to the left behind communities in Britain.
“It’s only communities coming together with public investment that can deal with the fundamental economic injustices that are getting worse not better in Europe.”
In 2012, Ms Le Pen came third in the first round of the French presidential race with 17.9 per cent of the vote, behind Mr Sarkozy with 27.18 per cent and eventual winner Mr Hollande with 28.63 per cent.
Jeremy Corbyn, who also appeared on the show, told Marr: “She uses this populism against minorities in order to get herself elected.
“The reality is she does not have an economic answer to the problems faced by the left behind communities in France any more than Ukip has an economic answer to the left behind communities in Britain.
“It’s only communities coming together with public investment that can deal with the fundamental economic injustices that are getting worse not better in Europe.”
In 2012, Ms Le Pen came third in the first round of the French presidential race with 17.9 per cent of the vote, behind Mr Sarkozy with 27.18 per cent and eventual winner Mr Hollande with 28.63 per cent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rench-presidential-lead-sarkozy-a7428126.html
Results likely to add to growing fears far-right leader could be on course for victory in wake of shock Brexit and US presidential votes
Front National leader Marine Le Pen has taken a sizeable lead over Nicolas Sarkozy in a new French presidential election poll.
The far-right leader had 29 per cent of the vote when pitted against Les Républicains’ former president, who was eight points behind, and held a 15-point lead over the Parti de Gauche’s Jean-Luc Mélenchon in the poll released by Ipsos.
It was one of five scenarios for the first round of France's 2017 presidential elections on 23 April, although one that did not include Les Républicains’ Alain Juppé – who remains strong favourite to succeed Francois Hollande as leader.
While Mr Juppé holds leads of between 4 and 7 per cent in three other scenarios including him, the results are likely to add to growing fears that the rise of global populism could see Ms Le Pen secure a surprise victory in the wake of the UK’s Brexit vote and Donald Trump’s US election win.
Under the French election system, barring the unlikely possibility one candidate gains an overall majority in the first round vote, the two candidates with the most votes will contest a second and decisive round on 7 May.
Second round opinion polls have consistenly given Mr Juppé a significant lead over Ms Le Pen.
It came as leading French philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy warned people had lost interest in whether politicians tell the truth, in a development he said could set the Front National on course to occupy the Élysée Palace.
“If Trump is possible, then everything is possible. Nothing, from now on, is unimaginable,” Mr Lévy told The Telegraph.
“As for Le Pen it is unlikely that she wins but it is possible, and that is partly because the people have lost interest in policy, instead focusing on personality.
“The people listen less and less to policy and they even seem less concerned about whether the candidates are telling the truth or not.
“They are more interested in the performance, in the theatrical quality of what is said than whether it is true. And as we know, a fascist can put on a very successful performance.”
The latest polls emerged as French conservatives voted in primaries on Sunday to choose their presidential nominee to face Front National candidate Ms Le Pen.
Seven candidates are competing for their position in the primaries and a second vote will be held next week to decide between the two frontrunners.
The three leading candidates are former president Mr Sarkozy and former prime ministers Francois Fillon and Alain Juppé - with many non-Republican voters hoping Mr Juppé wins as he has the best chance of beating Ms Le Pen.
French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said a Le Pen win next year could be “possible” and has warned of the danger of electing a far-right president, with many expecting Ms Le Pen to face a candidate from the centre-right if she makes it to the second round, given the current unpopularity of the ruling Socialist party.
Ms Le Pen has led the far-right Front National since 2011, when she succeeded her father Jean-Marie Le Pen, the party’s founder.
Since taking over the party, Ms Le Pen has made efforts to distance herself from her father’s openly antisemitic views, who has been convicted repeatedly for hate speech and contesting crimes against humanity, including describing gas chambers used to kill Jews in the Holocaust as a “detail” of history.
However, critics have branded Ms Le Pen a “fascist” and accused her of exploiting growing anti-immigration sentiment.
The 48-year-old appeared on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show on Remembrance Sunday, causing a crowd of Unite Against Fascism protesters to gather outside the BBC building.
Jeremy Corbyn, who also appeared on the show, told Marr: “She uses this populism against minorities in order to get herself elected.
“The reality is she does not have an economic answer to the problems faced by the left behind communities in France any more than Ukip has an economic answer to the left behind communities in Britain.
“It’s only communities coming together with public investment that can deal with the fundamental economic injustices that are getting worse not better in Europe.”
In 2012, Ms Le Pen came third in the first round of the French presidential race with 17.9 per cent of the vote, behind Mr Sarkozy with 27.18 per cent and eventual winner Mr Hollande with 28.63 per cent.
Jeremy Corbyn, who also appeared on the show, told Marr: “She uses this populism against minorities in order to get herself elected.
“The reality is she does not have an economic answer to the problems faced by the left behind communities in France any more than Ukip has an economic answer to the left behind communities in Britain.
“It’s only communities coming together with public investment that can deal with the fundamental economic injustices that are getting worse not better in Europe.”
In 2012, Ms Le Pen came third in the first round of the French presidential race with 17.9 per cent of the vote, behind Mr Sarkozy with 27.18 per cent and eventual winner Mr Hollande with 28.63 per cent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rench-presidential-lead-sarkozy-a7428126.html
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The NC governor race is a damb **** show.
The republican loss by like 6,000 votes, but now might be trying to claim voter fraud (mine you NC is one of the worst offenders of voter suppression of minorities) to try to get the election be called contested so the Republicans in the North Carolina General Assembly can vote him in.
GOP gonna GOP
The republican loss by like 6,000 votes, but now might be trying to claim voter fraud (mine you NC is one of the worst offenders of voter suppression of minorities) to try to get the election be called contested so the Republicans in the North Carolina General Assembly can vote him in.
GOP gonna GOP
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I wouldn't worry just yet about France,many predict that she'll win the first round of elections given how there's so many candidates to split the votes but they also believe she'll lose the final vote against whoever comes out as her opponent. Hoping it's not Sarkozy though...
*Just saw that Sarkozy came in 3rd in his bid to be his parties nominee
,it'll be between two former pm's Alain Juppe and Francois Fillon. He won't even be around
*Just saw that Sarkozy came in 3rd in his bid to be his parties nominee
,it'll be between two former pm's Alain Juppe and Francois Fillon. He won't even be around
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same way he couldn't be da GOP standard bearer...same way Abuela was gonna have a landslide election against him right?
i think its time da liberals in this thread take a breather till January...
we've seen enough.
Dude he can't, we are not talking politics, we are talking economics.
He can't cut tax for the rich, engage in deficit spending, not cut entitlements, still spend a ton on the military and have everything budget neutral.
No one has ever, done that, ever. Not Reagan, not Clinton, no one.
no one ever won da Presidency without ever holding public office either.
Time for ya to take a wait & see approach...unless ya wanna add to da fodder of terrible predictions from da whole prior year...
everysingletime
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[h1]Marine Le Pen takes huge lead over Nicolas Sarkozy in French first round presidential election poll[/h1]
Results likely to add to growing fears far-right leader could be on course for victory in wake of shock Brexit and US presidential votes
Front National leader Marine Le Pen has taken a sizeable lead over Nicolas Sarkozy in a new French presidential election poll.
The far-right leader had 29 per cent of the vote when pitted against Les Républicains’ former president, who was eight points behind, and held a 15-point lead over the Parti de Gauche’s Jean-Luc Mélenchon in the poll released by Ipsos.
It was one of five scenarios for the first round of France's 2017 presidential elections on 23 April, although one that did not include Les Républicains’ Alain Juppé – who remains strong favourite to succeed Francois Hollande as leader.
While Mr Juppé holds leads of between 4 and 7 per cent in three other scenarios including him, the results are likely to add to growing fears that the rise of global populism could see Ms Le Pen secure a surprise victory in the wake of the UK’s Brexit vote and Donald Trump’s US election win.
Under the French election system, barring the unlikely possibility one candidate gains an overall majority in the first round vote, the two candidates with the most votes will contest a second and decisive round on 7 May.
Second round opinion polls have consistenly given Mr Juppé a significant lead over Ms Le Pen.
It came as leading French philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy warned people had lost interest in whether politicians tell the truth, in a development he said could set the Front National on course to occupy the Élysée Palace.
“If Trump is possible, then everything is possible. Nothing, from now on, is unimaginable,” Mr Lévy told The Telegraph.
“As for Le Pen it is unlikely that she wins but it is possible, and that is partly because the people have lost interest in policy, instead focusing on personality.
“The people listen less and less to policy and they even seem less concerned about whether the candidates are telling the truth or not.
“They are more interested in the performance, in the theatrical quality of what is said than whether it is true. And as we know, a fascist can put on a very successful performance.”
The latest polls emerged as French conservatives voted in primaries on Sunday to choose their presidential nominee to face Front National candidate Ms Le Pen.
Seven candidates are competing for their position in the primaries and a second vote will be held next week to decide between the two frontrunners.
The three leading candidates are former president Mr Sarkozy and former prime ministers Francois Fillon and Alain Juppé - with many non-Republican voters hoping Mr Juppé wins as he has the best chance of beating Ms Le Pen.
French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said a Le Pen win next year could be “possible” and has warned of the danger of electing a far-right president, with many expecting Ms Le Pen to face a candidate from the centre-right if she makes it to the second round, given the current unpopularity of the ruling Socialist party.
Ms Le Pen has led the far-right Front National since 2011, when she succeeded her father Jean-Marie Le Pen, the party’s founder.
Since taking over the party, Ms Le Pen has made efforts to distance herself from her father’s openly antisemitic views, who has been convicted repeatedly for hate speech and contesting crimes against humanity, including describing gas chambers used to kill Jews in the Holocaust as a “detail” of history.
However, critics have branded Ms Le Pen a “fascist” and accused her of exploiting growing anti-immigration sentiment.
The 48-year-old appeared on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show on Remembrance Sunday, causing a crowd of Unite Against Fascism protesters to gather outside the BBC building.
Jeremy Corbyn, who also appeared on the show, told Marr: “She uses this populism against minorities in order to get herself elected.
“The reality is she does not have an economic answer to the problems faced by the left behind communities in France any more than Ukip has an economic answer to the left behind communities in Britain.
“It’s only communities coming together with public investment that can deal with the fundamental economic injustices that are getting worse not better in Europe.”
In 2012, Ms Le Pen came third in the first round of the French presidential race with 17.9 per cent of the vote, behind Mr Sarkozy with 27.18 per cent and eventual winner Mr Hollande with 28.63 per cent.
Jeremy Corbyn, who also appeared on the show, told Marr: “She uses this populism against minorities in order to get herself elected.
“The reality is she does not have an economic answer to the problems faced by the left behind communities in France any more than Ukip has an economic answer to the left behind communities in Britain.
“It’s only communities coming together with public investment that can deal with the fundamental economic injustices that are getting worse not better in Europe.”
In 2012, Ms Le Pen came third in the first round of the French presidential race with 17.9 per cent of the vote, behind Mr Sarkozy with 27.18 per cent and eventual winner Mr Hollande with 28.63 per cent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rench-presidential-lead-sarkozy-a7428126.html
Man those things I bolded sounds so familiar
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same way he couldn't be da GOP standard bearer...same way Abuela was gonna have a landslide election against him right?
i think its time da liberals in this thread take a breather till January...
we've seen enough.
Dude he can't, we are not talking politics, we are talking economics.
He can't cut tax for the rich, engage in deficit spending, not cut entitlements, still spend a ton on the military and have everything budget neutral.
No one has ever, done that, ever. Not Reagan, not Clinton, no one.
no one ever won da Presidency without ever holding public office either.
Time for ya to take a wait & see approach...unless ya wanna add to da fodder of terrible predictions from da whole prior year...
I have never seen a Macroeconomic model where this was a variable.
And famb, this is not a prediction, this is a factual statement. He can't keep all his economic promises.
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Wouldn't surprise me if Le Pen wins. Geert Wilders will probably win in the Netherlands as well.
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RIP to the EU and NATO if she does though
, Juppe looks like France's best bet right now
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EddieDoyers
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Putin licking his chops right now
Baltic states ain't safe
Baltic states ain't safe
everysingletime
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Brexit, Trump, Le Pen's rise.
Racism isn't gone. They was just lurking, waiting for a public figure to make it cool again [emoji]128557[/emoji]
Racism isn't gone. They was just lurking, waiting for a public figure to make it cool again [emoji]128557[/emoji]
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People don't vote on policy Example # 1789898
Poor Kentuckians worried about Obamacare repeal.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...kentucky-worries-mount-over-medicaid-cutbacks
I mean....I want to feel bad for them, but I also want to point and laugh.
Poor Kentuckians worried about Obamacare repeal.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...kentucky-worries-mount-over-medicaid-cutbacks
I mean....I want to feel bad for them, but I also want to point and laugh.
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This is life and death, I can't laugh at these people.
But I do shake my head in disbelief at such stupidity.
But I do shake my head in disbelief at such stupidity.
everysingletime
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No, I'm laughing. Those Kentucky ppl literally voted against the president that would've kept Obamacare intact. Now they crying about the repeal
I'm sorry. I have zero sympathy. Less than zero.
I'm sorry. I have zero sympathy. Less than zero.
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How do the folks who voted for Trump due to not being a typical politician feel about how his cabinet is shaping up? Serious question, no tap dance answer.
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