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@Rexanglorum  @handullz

he lost the popular vote by 3 million, his dissapproval sets record lows, support from the GOP is dwindling, when he addresses the press its all defense. The average American observer, even the less political can see this...

where do you get the idea that I'm underestimating his support? What is your basis aside from stories of people you've met...
 
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point is you tried to paint a image that Fox wasn't covering da latest blather from da WaPo when it was literally da 1st line on da page :lol

Point is, unlike other news sources, to Fox this scandal isn't centerfold material, yeah they would look more biased if they aren't already, so they are forced to put it in the front, HOWEVER...the real story here is crooked Hillary...to them...


Fam when are you simply gonna give up defending this clown show?...like I legit don't even see the incentive...is your pride that ridiculous?
 
poor guy is taking 25 minutes to complete his thought:

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edit: It's been 30 minutes now and he still hasn't finished his thought. I think he's having an existential crises. "This whole time I've been complaining about leakers, but what if..." *looks in mirror* "No, it can't be."
 
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yup i know a ton of upper middle class white people that voted trump. the part of the tristate area i live in, there are a decent amount of blue collar business owners or inherited business owners that make great livings, without higher education. Its not that they were particularly fond of trump but they had this huge deep hate of Clinton and Obama for that matter 
 
again...what you guys see down the street or at work or in your neighborhood holds little weight lol

his "massive support" doesn't reflect the numbers is all I'm saying....to date
 
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trump did get support from a lot of upper middle class whites. these people are Republicans first, and they supported trump because they thought he was going to out-Republican the typical Republican.
 
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again...what you guys see down the street or at work or in your neighborhood holds little weight lol

his "massive support" doesn't reflect the numbers is all I'm saying....to date
not saying that rich white people came out in droves to vote for trump. just saying that there are upper middle class/upper class people that did side with him. thats still a good portion of the republican base-white non educated "selfmade" wealthy people
 
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All about the details.

I can clearly see how the GOP will get out of this, because "not saying anything " =\= "handing out classified info"


@Rexanglorum
 @handullz


he lost the popular vote by 3 million, his dissapproval sets record lows, support from the GOP is dwindling, when he addresses the press its all defense. The average American observer, even the less political can see this...

where do you get the idea that I'm underestimating his support? What is your basis aside from stories of people you've met...




Simple math.

You bring up that he lost by 3 million as if it was 3 million to zero.

62 MILLION Americans voted for Trump.




250 million white Americans today. 10% are considered poor.

Which means every single poor white person, including children, got up and voted.

Never mind those with expired licenses or those who can't get their license renewed thereby not being able to vote in some of these areas with tough voter suppression laws.

And you'd still have to account for 30+ million other Americans that voted for Trump

There are less people in NYC and LA combined (or very close. Alt facts if I'm off)
 
Yiu are SEVERELY underestimating how many upper middle class white folk voted for Trump, my g.

I know a white woman, feminist, college educated, working at a bulge bracket bank, pulling in $225+ easily at 26...

That voted for Trump.

Plenty more stories, but I caution people in thinking that its just a group of folks in west Virginia.

Nah, b. They're out there heavy.

I agree with everything except the feminist part. I don't know one feminist that voted for Drumpf. They are all very vocal progressives around my way.
 
Hey, he found one of the leakers! Good for him, take this W...


...and then the L. When can we expect the treason charges?
 
I've never met an Uncle Tom like ninja who likes hip hop culture. Most uncle Toms dress like country white dudes and hate anything that can be associated with hip hop and black people.
 
@Rexanglorum
 @handullz


he lost the popular vote by 3 million, his dissapproval sets record lows, support from the GOP is dwindling, when he addresses the press its all defense. The average American observer, even the less political can see this...

where do you get the idea that I'm underestimating his support? What is your basis aside from stories of people you've met...




I am not saying that he is a popular President. I am saying that he does not get support exclusively from low income whites. Exit polls bear this out.

Also, we should not read to much into Trump's low approval ratings for two reasons. One, everyone who does approve of Trump will show up and vote for Republicans, we cannot be sure if everyone who disapproves of Trump will actually show up and vote in the 2018 midterms. Furthermore, Republicans are the majority in both houses and Trump's supporters are able to but pressure on GOP Congressmen.

The only remedy for stopping Trump is huge Democratic turnout and wins in 2018. Gaffes, low approval ratings, legislative set backs, humiliations for him and his staff all are background noise.

It is fun to be here, with like minded folks and have a laugh over how foolish and erratic Trump can be but it really does not matter if Democrats do not have land slide wins in 2018. It does not really matter what John Oliver thinks of you and your Presidency, it matters if one or both Houses of Congress can subpoena Trump and his people starting in January 2019.
 
I agree with everything except the feminist part. I don't know one feminist that voted for Drumpf. They are all very vocal progressives around my way.


I can imagine the white, corporate, "lean in" sort of feminists supporting Trump because he's "good on business." Genuine, bonafide, intersectional feminists though, they were all against Trump.
 
I missed the math part?...and I think you guys missed my point.

Hillary won the the popular vote by 3million, you probably don't know this but 3 million votes dispersed throughout any given area of the United States could change the electoral process drastically ten times over....3 million is a lot...what isn't "a lot" is that out of those 250million whites he still couldn't win the popular vote, not to mention it was a fairly low voter turnout. So through your logic if "every single poor white person" got up and voted that's a very underwhelming turnout most especially because the middle/upper class is close to 90% of the American populous, which further proves my point the majority of his support/momentum is from the far right racist and undeducated from rural areas.

You seem to be under a lot of false impressions voter suppression did not affect 30 million voters, and if it did how could you just tally those votes to Trump
 
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Can someone explain gerrymandering to me and why democrats don't do it?
Democrats do it too, but to a lesser extent. Gerrymandering is redrawing district lines in a way that significantly favors one party. To my knowledge, partisan gerrymandering is not against the law, but racial gerrymandering is. For example you can redraw your district to heavily favor your party, but if you redraw it on the basis of race, for example drawing the lines based on where African-Americans live, that would be illegal and there have been several court rulings against the GOP for doing so.

In most cases, the state legislature does the redistricting; in other words the ruling party redraws the district lines. In a few states this is done by an independent body to prevent gerrymandering.

Take a look at this example. The first image is the total representation of blue and red in the area. The second image illustrates a correct and balanced way of redrawing district lines, and the other 2 images illustrate how gerrymandering gives one side a major advantage. The total representation of the area was initially 60% blue and 40% red. In the second image, a perfect representation would therefore draw the lines between the red and blue areas so they have equal representation. 3 blue districts and 2 red districts.

Now let's look at the second example. Compact but unfair.

This is what simple gerrymandering looks like. As you can see, there are no longer any red districts. The lines have been drawn so blue holds a majority in the entire area as there are now 0 red districts. All 5 districts are blue now. This means this area is now completely in favor of the blues.

The final example is a more accurate representation of gerrymandering in real life as parties go to great lengths to redraw district lines in their favor. It's a lot more complex than this image of course but in severe cases you will see some crazy district lines that really don't make any sense, just to favor their party.

In this case, the lines were redrawn both very complicated and very unfairly as it gives the minority (remember the total representation of 60% blue and 40% red) an advantage over the majority. There are now 3 red districts and only 2 blue districts. This means red now has a large advantage despite the area's total representation of 40% red.

I could be wrong on certain points (correct me if I am) as I am not a US citizen but I hope I've provided you with the answer to your question.
 
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I am not saying that he is a popular President. I am saying that he does not get support exclusively from low income whites. Exit polls bear this out.

Also, we should not read to much into Trump's low approval ratings for two reasons. One, everyone who does approve of Trump will show up and vote for Republicans, we cannot be sure if everyone who disapproves of Trump will actually show up and vote in the 2018 midterms. Furthermore, Republicans are the majority in both houses and Trump's supporters are able to but pressure on GOP Congressmen.

The only remedy for stopping Trump is huge Democratic turnout and wins in 2018. Gaffes, low approval ratings, legislative set backs, humiliations for him and his staff all are background noise.

It is fun to be here, with like minded folks and have a laugh over how foolish and erratic Trump can be but it really does not matter if Democrats do not have land slide wins in 2018. It does not really matter what John Oliver thinks of you and your Presidency, it matters if one or both Houses of Congress can subpoena Trump and his people starting in January 2019.
​I never mentioned income or even specific race or ethnicity. I said a lot of his support spawns from racially propelled comments that appeal to far right racist and uneducated rural men...and I feel that support he had in other lanes is dwindling now more than ever 

... but I definitely agree with you for the most part.
 
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I missed the math part?...and I think you guys missed my point.

Hillary won the the popular vote by 3million, you probably don't know this but 3 million votes dispersed throughout any given area of the United States could change the electoral process drastically ten times over....3 million is a lot...what isn't "a lot" is that out of those 250million whites he still couldn't win the popular vote, not to mention it was a fairly low voter turnout. So through your logic if "every single poor white person" got up and voted that's a very underwhelming turnout most especially because the middle/upper class is close to 90% of the American populous, which further proves my point the majority of his support/momentum is from the far right racist and undeducated from rural areas.

You seem to be under a lot of false impressions voter suppression did not affect 30 million voters, and if it did how could you just tally those votes to Trump

Lolwut

Famb just moved the goalposts.

You got it, my g.
 
Democrats do it too, but to a lesser extent. Gerrymandering is redrawing district lines in a way that significantly favors one party. To my knowledge, partisan gerrymandering is not against the law, but racial gerrymandering is. For example you can redraw your district to heavily favor your party, but if you redraw it on the basis of race, for example drawing the lines based on where African-Americans live, that would be illegal and there have been several court rulings against the GOP for doing so.
In most cases, the state legislature does the redistricting; in other words the ruling party redraws the district lines. In a few states this is done by an independent body to prevent gerrymandering.

Take a look at this example. The first image is the total representation of blue and red in the area. The second image illustrates a correct and balanced way of redrawing district lines, and the other 2 images illustrate how gerrymandering gives one side a major advantage. The total representation of the area was initially 60% blue and 40% red. In the second image, a perfect representation would therefore draw the lines between the red and blue areas so they have equal representation. 3 blue districts and 2 red districts.


Now let's look at the second example. Compact but unfair.
This is what simple gerrymandering looks like. As you can see, there are no longer any red districts. The lines have been drawn so blue holds a majority in the entire area as there are now 0 red districts. All 5 districts are blue now. This means this area is now completely in favor of the blues.

The final example is a more accurate representation of gerrymandering in real life as parties go to great lengths to redraw district lines in their favor. It's a lot more complex than this image of course but in severe cases you will see some crazy district lines that really don't make any sense, just to favor their party.
In this case, the lines were redrawn both very complicated and very unfairly as it gives the minority (remember the total representation of 60% blue and 40% red) an advantage over the majority. There are now 3 red districts and only 2 blue districts. This means red now has a large advantage despite the area's total representation of 40% red.

I could be wrong on certain points (correct me if I am) as I am not a US citizen but I hope I've provided you with the answer to your question.


Thank you
 
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Can you find North Korea on a map? A survey found that 36 percent of Americans could. Those who did were more likely to favor diplomacy over military action.
 
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