***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[PatRiley]

How do you guys feel about robotics replacing human labor, specifically in the food service industry? I was having this convo with my lady yesterday and she was saying stuff like "well what about all the people that need those jobs?" My response was that according to economomic theory that part of the labor force would shift to another industry that has high demand and low supply. If the robotics make everything more efficient, cut labor costs, which can create a more affordable product that's more accessible to the general public, all the while supporting a profitable business that will still create jobs (more focused on management/engineering/marketing/etc.), what are the considerations (if any) for the people that would hypothetically lose their jobs? Isn't this just the advancement of society as we know it and shifting the supply curve upwards via technological advancement?

Sorry if my question is vague, but thought it could be interesting to hear others opinions.

 

[IATT]

 

[dragicon]

How do you guys feel about robotics replacing human labor, specifically in the food service industry? I was having this convo with my lady yesterday and she was saying stuff like "well what about all the people that need those jobs?" My response was that according to economomic theory that part of the labor force would shift to another industry that has high demand and low supply. If the robotics make everything more efficient, cut labor costs, which can create a more affordable product that's more accessible to the general public, all the while supporting a profitable business that will still create jobs (more focused on management/engineering/marketing/etc.), what are the considerations (if any) for the people that would hypothetically lose their jobs? Isn't this just the advancement of society as we know it and shifting the supply curve upwards via technological advancement?

Sorry if my question is vague, but thought it could be interesting to hear others opinions.

Chinises farming has resisted automation for decades for this very reason (it is also somewhat impractical based on how small the property is). Two thirds of China's population lives in the countryside... if a large group of them are put out of work, there will be problems.

In the states, there is nothing that has been going on recently that would show that the current government cares about the poor. I believe McDonalds already said something along the lines of "$15 minimum wage will force is to automate". It will be a major problem, as a general wage paid out by the government could happen.... but probably not in the states. Too many rich people in power.

 

[dragicon]

Nytimes released a short blurb about it... seems to be pretty similar to the house bill

 

[Mr.Guy]

Trump gonna win in 2020. White folk ain't trying to give up their privilege and they feel Trump protects that privilege.

 

[Chopper]

Trump gonna win in 2020. White folk ain't trying to give up their privilege and they feel Trump protects that privilege.

 

[dreamer23]

 

[RustyShackleford]

Trump gonna win in 2020. White folk ain't trying to give up their privilege and they feel Trump protects that privilege.

Well, well, well

 

[frink85]

So they blantantly admit Trump used a lie to intimidate an fBI director out of testifying and this somehow isn't obstruction of Justice?

He's not a politician though... he should get a pass!

Regarding automation, ideally it would make every industry more efficient and lower costs, and like it was said those former workers would move onto new fields to evolve with the times.

Of course in reality not everyone is cut out to be tech savvy or do things other than labor/service jobs. As the coal vs renewable fight has shown us, learning a new trade in STEM fields and leaving behind manual labor makes you a coastal libbie elite who hates America. #MAGA

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[Belgium]

How do you guys feel about robotics replacing human labor, specifically in the food service industry? I was having this convo with my lady yesterday and she was saying stuff like "well what about all the people that need those jobs?" My response was that according to economomic theory that part of the labor force would shift to another industry that has high demand and low supply. If the robotics make everything more efficient, cut labor costs, which can create a more affordable product that's more accessible to the general public, all the while supporting a profitable business that will still create jobs (more focused on management/engineering/marketing/etc.), what are the considerations (if any) for the people that would hypothetically lose their jobs? Isn't this just the advancement of society as we know it and shifting the supply curve upwards via technological advancement?

Sorry if my question is vague, but thought it could be interesting to hear others opinions.

I'm certainly not fluent in economics, much less those of a large foreign country like the US, but automation generally doesn't seem like it sufficiently shifts jobs to different industries. Look at what automation has done to manufacturing. The number of coal miners has been steadily declining while the coal production kept rising. Automation not only replaces their jobs, they are more efficient too. Coal miners are the most prominent example of rampant job losses and from what I've seen, it doesn't look like they're sufficiently shifting to different industries.

The way I see it, the selling of false hope of "bringing coal back" is backwards and will only further hurt the workers more when they inevitably face the reality that automation will continue stripping away their jobs. Rather than selling that kind of false hope, I would propose serious job training programs for low-skilled workers in those particular industries. A proper jobs program that provides them the opportunity to learn new skills that give them greater flexibility in finding new jobs, preferably related to their field. Instead of mining coal, perhaps those workers can operate and maintain the machines or different positions in the coal business. Things like that. 

 

[Belgium]

Also, the senate GOP's draft of the American Wealthcare Act has been revealed.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/338939-read-the-senate-gops-obamacare-repeal-bill

 

[whywesteppin]

How do you guys feel about robotics replacing human labor, specifically in the food service industry? I was having this convo with my lady yesterday and she was saying stuff like "well what about all the people that need those jobs?" My response was that according to economomic theory that part of the labor force would shift to another industry that has high demand and low supply. If the robotics make everything more efficient, cut labor costs, which can create a more affordable product that's more accessible to the general public, all the while supporting a profitable business that will still create jobs (more focused on management/engineering/marketing/etc.), what are the considerations (if any) for the people that would hypothetically lose their jobs? Isn't this just the advancement of society as we know it and shifting the supply curve upwards via technological advancement?

Sorry if my question is vague, but thought it could be interesting to hear others opinions.

Putting politics aside for a second and taking the long view on this....

Human productivity is only going to continue to increase. We can produce more with less than ever before, and our capacity for production will continue to grow. To meet our basic needs, we can easily take care of everyone, at least in this country, and provide plenty of food, clothing, shelter, electricity, etc.

But this is not our only need. As technologies change, societal dynamics change, often in unpredictable ways. What keeps us sane and functional -- because we are hard-wired to be like this -- are close friends and family and a feeling of usefulness. This is a need -- to feel useful and productive.

So as much as automation will improve productivity and move us forward in many ways, we still need to feel useful and productive. We still need jobs. That's why I imagine, in the future, we will pay for jobs. Much like we pay now for gym membership to go lift heavy things rather than getting paid to do it, we will in the future pay a corporation to let us do the work of a robot for a day.

 

[IATT]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...ssia-and-those-shadowy-sater-deals-at-bayrock

 

[Nike Jordan]

New NBC/WSJ poll: Americans overwhelmingly disapprove of House GOP health bill; just 16% say it's a good idea https://t.co/E01DQ7T7ON
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) June 22, 2017

 

[rolaholic]

@MattLaslo:
"It's much better than Obamacare," Sen. Purdue. on new health bill.

"Why?" we ask.

"I have to go read it."

 

[aepps20]

Better huh?

 

[jus3]

@MattLaslo:
"It's much better than Obamacare," Sen. Purdue. on new health bill.

"Why?" we ask.

"I have to go read it."

Is there a video of this??

 

[whywesteppin]

Spoiler

 

[dreamer23]

come get your mans....

John Oliver, HBO Sued for Defamation by Coal Executive

The complaint says the show’s segment was “false, injurious, and defamatory,” and an “attempt to advance their biases against the coal industry and their disdain for the coal-related policies of the Trump Administration,” according to Dan Abrams’ LawNewz.

The suit names producer Charles Wilson, HBO, and parent company Time Warner, Inc., according to Law Newz. The sites also reported that the suit claims Time Warner “is widely reported as a top ten donor of Hillary Clinton” and the former Democratic presidential candidate has “an agenda of putting coal miners and companies out of business.”


https://www.yahoo.com/tv/john-oliver-hbo-sued-defamation-coal-executive-150236254.html

 

[aepps20]

Spoiler

Is the lion supposed to symbolize BENJAMIN? If so, I'm cool with the picture but a wolf would be a better for the KING OF THE HUD.

 

[whywesteppin]

KING OF THE HUD: how about a lion-wolf hypbrid?

Spoiler

 

[gry60]

How do you guys feel about robotics replacing human labor, specifically in the food service industry? I was having this convo with my lady yesterday and she was saying stuff like "well what about all the people that need those jobs?" My response was that according to economomic theory that part of the labor force would shift to another industry that has high demand and low supply. If the robotics make everything more efficient, cut labor costs, which can create a more affordable product that's more accessible to the general public, all the while supporting a profitable business that will still create jobs (more focused on management/engineering/marketing/etc.), what are the considerations (if any) for the people that would hypothetically lose their jobs? Isn't this just the advancement of society as we know it and shifting the supply curve upwards via technological advancement?

Sorry if my question is vague, but thought it could be interesting to hear others opinions.

The main issue with your reasoning is the fact that automation (and the general quest of efficiency that eliminates human labor) is happening in most, if not all sectors of the economy, which means that the only kind of labor that hasn't been touched (or is at a marginal risk of being touched) is of a specialized nature. Low-skill level workers can't easily shift from preparing meals to university grad level work without extensive training.

The other issue with the way automation is implemented is that it takes a handful of people to create a car and an entire factory to build it. Right now, we are replacing the factory labor by machines with the hope that most of the factory workers will integrate the creative team or the robot maintenance team, which is just not realistic.

What we need to realize is that going all the way in with automation has the potential to result in a world where people will not be able to find work, regardless of their capabilities because there may not be enough work for all available workers. Therefore, we need to come up with a solution that will insure that those unable to work can be guaranteed the basics. You absolutely do not want to abandon them to their fate unless you're ready to deal with famine riots/insurrection.

 

[hipstermike]

robots can replace humans in environments that it's suitable for. Like mc'ds. then you can still have artisan style experiences to go in conjunction with that where real people work

 

[aepps20]

come get your mans....


The complaint says the show’s segment was “false, injurious, and defamatory,” and an “attempt to advance their biases against the coal industry and their disdain for the coal-related policies of the Trump Administration,” according to Dan Abrams’ LawNewz.

The suit names producer Charles Wilson, HBO, and parent company Time Warner, Inc., according to Law Newz. The sites also reported that the suit claims Time Warner “is widely reported as a top ten donor of Hillary Clinton” and the former Democratic presidential candidate has “an agenda of putting coal miners and companies out of business.”


https://www.yahoo.com/tv/john-oliver-hbo-sued-defamation-coal-executive-150236254.html

EXCELLENT news COMRADE. We have to FIGHT BACK ANY WAY WE CAN AGAINST LIBBIE CONJECTURE AND INNUENDO.