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What about my implication is offensive? That you are a public defender or that you aren't good at proving your points?

Your insinuation that public defenders are not good at proving points. But we can pretend that wasn't your intent. As I said, I have friends that are public defenders that are beyond competent.
 
You dont have to be rich
But most folks live in the now becuase now is where the bills and life is happening

You cant hope to plan for the fututre when you a sinking in the present

Even people that work at McDonald's are seeing an increase in their paychecks due to the passing of the tax plan. 401k or not.
 
Your insinuation that public defenders are not good at proving points. But we can pretend that wasn't your intent. As I said, I have friends that are public defenders that are beyond competent.

I wasn't speaking on public defenders, I was speaking on you specifically. You don't do well with proving your points.
 
Also you can see a bump in pay at retail/ fast food type job but the reality is cost of living has not gone down.
In addition companies will look for warm bodies in these job before looking at experience. I know becuase if seen the practices of it
 
I think it's something like 70% of Americans don't have a 401K.

Over half don't invest in stocks.

70% have 0-$1000 in savings.

10% have pensions (down from 38% years ago).

We're at an 18 year low in home ownership.

Housing costs/COL seem to be increasing significantly while income remains relatively stagnant.
 
Also you can see a bump in pay at retail/ fast food type job but the reality is cost of living has not gone down.
In addition companies will look for warm bodies in these job before looking at experience. I know becuase if seen the practices of it

The point is that without the tax plan they would have had less. Period. Whether it is small, or not. It wouldn't have existed without the tax plan. That is a fact.

Also, average Americans have 401ks. I wonder the age of many posting on here. On the one hand you have the luxury to post on a sneaker forum all day, but on the other hand you think that a 401k makes you rich.
 
Enough to make a livable wage? Also, source?

Livable wage for who? A 19 yo college student or a 35yo mother of 3? Should everyone make enough for the mother of 3? I'm wondering what would constitute a livable wage for you?

And source for what? Less taxes being taking out of paychecks?
 
Fun tool for these kinds of conversations

http://livingwage.mit.edu/

I am glad you posted that. So you believe that wages should be scaled based on how many children someone has and geographic location? So every year I want a raise I can have another child and the company has to pay the increase? Because based on that calculation your wages MUST increase per child.

EDIT: Also, if your spouse decides to stop working the company MUST pay the difference in my wages.

It is clear that no one suggesting this has ever owned a business or paid wages.
 
The point is that without the tax plan they would have had less. Period. Whether it is small, or not. It wouldn't have existed without the tax plan. That is a fact.

A bump in a retail line worker's pay ain't ***** really. Getting $13 instead of $12 is $40/week. Oil is about to jump so there that goes and then some.

That's not parity. That's just "give them something so they shut up."
 
I am glad you posted that. So you believe that wages should be scaled based on how many children someone has and geographic location? So every year I want a raise I can have another child and the company has to pay the increase? Because based on that calculation your wages MUST increase per child.

EDIT: Also, if your spouse decides to stop working the company MUST pay the difference in my wages.

It is clear that no one suggesting this has ever owned a business or paid wages.

So based on me posting a living wage calculator you suddenly know what I'm thinking?
 
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A bump in a retail line worker's pay ain't ***** really. Getting $13 instead of $12 is $40/week. Oil is about to jump so there that goes and then some.

That's not parity. That's just "give them something so they shut up."

I imagine they appreciate it more than you. What's not much to you might be a lot to others. Seems you are fortunate enough not to have those problems.
 
According to data from the U.S. Census Bureau, only 32% of Americans are saving for retirement in a 401(k).

Per new tax plan, estate tax exemption will be doubled from 5.6 million to 11.2 million $. Only the estates of the wealthiest 0.2 percent of Americans — roughly 2 out of every 1,000 people who die — owe any estate tax per joint committee of taxation prior to new exemption. For married couples, it is 22.4 million exempt. A tax that only effects millionaires, now has their tax exemption doubled.

we're "only" going 1.5 trillion more in debt with the new plan
 
I imagine they appreciate it more than you. What's not much to you might be a lot to others. Seems you are fortunate enough not to have those problems.

Exactly. "Give them something so they shut up."

It's a manipulation tool. They'll probably now be ineligible for government assistance and will immediately be back at square 1.

Cost of living will trump that $1.oo/hour.
 
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