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I wonder if these people really believe a wall is going to have any significant impact. Mexico has no interest in paying for it and I'm pretty sure cartels and smugglers have discovered the existence of ladders, digging equipment, boats and planes by now

Why do doors have locks? I am pretty sure that burglars have learned how to pick locks or break down doors altogether
 



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Why do doors have locks? I am pretty sure that burglars have learned how to pick locks or break down doors altogether
The Irony is that this very same thing happened to the land you're on right now as you're reading this post.

The ppl we are all referring to were in the house with locked doors and the locks were picked, they were raped, robbed, etc. And now the robbers that occupy the house want to make rules and **** on those that were robbed.

Disgusting yet typical.
 
Trump is no stranger to hyperbole and straight-up false claims, and his first State of the Union was no exception. He said the United States is “now an exporter of energy to the world.” Wrong. He said Congress passed and he signed “the biggest tax cuts and reform in American history.” Wrong. He said,“We have eliminated more regulations in our first year than any administration in history.” That might be true, but because available records don't go back beyond a few decades, we simply don't know. Trump even claimed that his tax cuts were leading to bonuses — many of which were “thousands and thousands of dollars per worker.” The most publicized bonuses, though, were generally $1,000. These are part of Trump's everyday talking points, so hearing them in this speech wasn't jarring. But it is notable that the White House uses bogus and unproven claims even on this stage.
 
The Irony is that this very same thing happened to the land you're on right now as you're reading this post.

The ppl we are all referring to were in the house with locked doors and the locks were picked, they were raped, robbed, etc. And now the robbers that occupy the house want to make rules and **** on those that were robbed.

Disgusting yet typical.

Not completely sure what you are talking about. A poster above implied that walls are pointless because criminals can overcome them. I simply illustrated that if that same logic was used in regards to door locks there would be no need for them.

Now if you are talking about immigration rules, that is an issue that extends far beyond any one president. Several presidents deported undocumented immigrants due to the laws in place. As always, if someone dislikes the law, then fire the congressmen/women who continuously vote to keep these rules in place.

Other countries also have laws/rules. This is the reason you have to have a passport to travel abroad. If, however, you sneak into a foreign country you might have to face legal consequences. If the citizens of that country dislike that, they can change the law. I'm all for it. Saves money on passport renewal and Global Entry.

EDIT: There are many issues with undocumented immigrants. That status, along with fear of deportation, allows them to be exploited, raped, and sold into slavery. Surely you are not ok with the status quo.
 
The irony is... if you were actually sick he could prolly help
If he can afford the care of a renowned neurosurgeon.
Speaking of healthcare, it's pretty clear that the US has the worst healthcare systems out of similar wealthy developed nations (no offense). ACA was a significant improvement but it's also still lightyears behind many EU countries with universal multi-payer or in some cases single-payer healthcare systems. All of those countries also have significantly lower health spending per capita than the US, even the true single-payer countries.

What we have in Belgium is a universal multi-payer healthcare system. Our health expenditures per capita are also significantly lower than the US as well as several other countries:
https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm
I believe that our healthcare and education system are some of our greatest accomplishments and something every Belgian can be very proud of. Our nation treats both as basic human rights, hence why we try to make it as affordable as possible for as many people as possible. A fine balance has to be met of course. Lowering the cost too much could bankrupt the system.

As the name multi-payer suggests, we have different categories of healthcare. Public and private. The public options are referred to as "health unions" ("Mutualiteit" in Dutch) and joining one is mandatory. Simple logic, a modern healthcare system can not sustain itself without some form of mandate to maximize the size of the pools. There's a number of different health unions and there are generally some minor differences in what they can offer. Some of the health unions have unique deals with a specific hospital and a certain procedure or fee for example. Due to the mandate, you have to be a member of 1 of the major health unions. These unions generally have some affiliation with religion or political stance in their names but they don't really have any bearing on their function. For example some of the major health unions are the Christian Union, Independent Union, Liberal Union, ...

Additionally you can also get private insurance of your choice. Usually this means employer insurance, who generally use private insurers. Since you still have to remain a member of a health union, any private insurance you get will be on top of the mandatory insurance you get from your health union.
The public options for example provide coverage for just about everything but with a lower cost coverage % than what private insurance can offer.
The health unions generally cover around 75% of costs though this can differ significantly based on the kind of fee or procedure being covered.
If I go to my general physician for example, I pay him €24 per visit. He's a nice guy and in many cases doesn't want me to pay him but technically it only costs me €1 out of pocket to may my general physician anyway. €24 is the standard fee for a GP visit in his private practice. However the health unions cover €23 of that cost. The doctor gives you a note at the end that you have to send to your health union and they will then deposit the €23 back to your bank account.

We also have a really great program that I think we can be very proud of too. Since the health unions pay €23 out of the €24 cost for a general physician visit, the government and doctors across the country started an initiative for our poorer citizens who may have problems with coughing up the initial €24. Rather than paying €24 and having to wait for the health union to deposit €23 back into your account, the poor can now simply pay the general physician €1. The health union then simply pays the €23 to the doctor. That way the poor only need to bring €1 with them for a checkup rather than go through the process of sending the doctor's note to the health union so you get a €23 deposit back. Really great initiative, only problem is that while doctors can not deny a patient from using this €1 payment initiative, they are not obliged to tell any of their patients about this initative in the first place. But thankfully most doctors actively participate.

Private insurance can cover just about anything you can imagine and you can get 100% coverage if that is your preference or need. Given my medical condition and vastly improved financials I now have private insurance with 100% coverage for all hospital costs, medical procedures, ... for example.
Also, you are free to visit any doctor, hospital, treatment, ... you want regardless of recommendation or referral. This applies to everyone on both private and public healthcare plans.
If I'm correct that level of complete free choice is not always the case for public healthcare plans in other countries.

Also, you can change your insurance pretty much any time you please, even if you have an upcoming surgery. I think it was early 2017 when I upgraded to a private insurance plan with 100% coverage. Goes without saying I have a number of pre-existing conditions and since specialists are still working on finding a diagnosis for my health problems I always have appointments and tests scheduled in the future at any given moment. All of that had zero impact on changing my insurance, what kind of plans were available to me or the premiums I would be charged. The only factor that went into my premiums is my age (23). I'd have to check the exact amount but my premiums for my private insurance with 100% coverage are about €31/month.

I see our system as the best of both worlds. A universal healthcare system with great public options but also a wide variety of private insurance, as well as employer insurance that can sometimes be from insurers from different countries. For a while I had 100% coverage from German insurer Allianz through my dad's employer insurance for example.

We also have some degree of price capping on certain fees or procedures to lower the general cost. If you're in the hospital your daily residence fee is a fixed fee for example, with lower capped rates for those with disabilities, young children or the elderly.
Another example I like to use is CT-scans and MRIs, both of which I frequently have to undergo. I generally opt to go to a private radiology center because you can get it done much faster, though at a slightly higher cost. I pay €8 for my CT-scans and €12 for an MRI at that private radiology for example.


Would this kind of system be something you'd be in favor of to improve the US' achaic and ineffective system?
 
Have seen the numbers, you have not, and the ones you have seen you clearly don't understand.

Dude this bet is stupid, and heavily weighted in your favor.Probably by design

So if any House Democrat from a majority black district votes for an immigration reform compromise is from a majority black district, you win? No Senator is from a majority black state, because those don't exist, so I guess the Senate is out then.

And on the flip side, if any red state Dems facing a white electorate votes for it, then I win? If there is a mix then who wins?

So what kind of stupid criteria are those. From both directions it seems convoluted

And it doesn't prove Harvard polls right. Because that poll says African Americans are the most progressive on immigration compared to whites and Hispanics. So why will it be on only black people and not Hispanics or white Dem voters? And the numbers already show African Americans value DACA getting passed more than white and Hispanics. So that might be AA valuing current immigrants over future ones.

You are just setting up some abstract situation, so you can cherry pick a win :lol:. You just trying to finesse some Cuban money off me cause you short :lol: :lol:

Nah, b. Come up with something solid that makes sense, not something open to interruption

And I will only bet for charity donations anyway. At least let our buffoonery help people in need.

all i see is yella belly talkin.

if u ain't got it, might as well keep it funky.

chain migration wont be dismantled IMO, but if it does get scrapped i already told you where da fault lines in da democrats will be at.
 
And their reasoning for that conclusion.... if applied to door locks, would make them pointless too.

Not quite. He's talking about a specific wall, you are talking about walls and doors in general.
Do the majority of immigants illegally come here by crossing the border illegally? Not according to this article and chart:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-illegal-immigrants.html

Some people endure long journeys by foot, train, boat and smugglers to make it across the border. But for an increasing number of immigrants, illegal status arrives overnight, without a single step.

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So building a wall, in this instance is not the answer.
 
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