***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[IATT]

 

[tokes99]

There are so many take downs of Peterson's buffoonery that anyone with sense should have jumped off the train.

But sometimes the similar approach is better in countering nonsense. It funny that Peterson realized he let his guard down, got corned easily so he had to tap out before he made a big mistake.

there is a bit of a distinction though, as many make the point that it explicitly conflicts with their religious beliefs (of course this isn’t a new rationale for discrimination)...whether it should be is maybe more up for debate, as society does make exceptions/exemptions for religion (as the hobby lobby case kinda bore out) but has struggled with where the line where one’s freedom encroaches on another’s is...which is i guess the larger issue in general; how, what, & whom we share...

 

[Belgium]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lready-exceeds-eu-budget-payments-study-shows
Brexit Has Already Cost the U.K. More than Its EU Budget Payments, Study Shows

• Vote to leave EU costs Treasury 23 billion pounds in lost tax
• Weekly cost exceeds gains pledged by Brexit campaigners

The damage to the U.K. economy caused by the vote to leave the European Union two years ago already exceeds the size of the budget contributions Britain will be able to claw back when it finally leaves the bloc, according to an economic study by the Centre for European Reform.

Uncertainty caused by Brexit has already caused a 2.1 percent dip in economic output, even before Britain’s departure next March, the CER said late Friday in an emailed statement. That’s cost the public finances 23 billion pounds ($30 billion) in lost tax revenue, the think tank said.


The economic damage means the Treasury has less money to spend on public services, and knocks on the head the idea that Britain will enjoy a “Brexit dividend” when it no longer has to contribute to the European budget, it said.


“Two years on from the referendum, we now know that the Brexit vote has seriously damaged the economy,” said CER Deputy Director John Springford, who authored the study. “We know that the government’s Brexit dividend is a myth: the vote is costing the Treasury 440 million pounds a week, far more than the U.K. ever contributed to the EU budget.”


Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, who spearheaded the Brexit campaign in 2016, toured the country at the time in a red bus promising to use the budget contributions of 350 million pounds a week to instead fund the National Health Service.

In reality, Britain pays only half that amount, since it gets back around 9 billion pounds from the EU, though that didn’t stop Prime Minister Theresa May touting a “Brexit dividend’’ this week when she announced a 20.5 billion-pound boost for health care.

The CER used a statistical model that compared the U.K.’s economic performance against predicted output if the referendum result had gone the other way. It did so by identifying which OECD countries’ gross domestic product, consumption and investment data best replicated the U.K. economy in the two decades leading up to the referendum.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Segregationist made religious arguments too.

 

[AEA18]

Seems like he's purposely making the immigration problem worse just so he can complain about how bad it is and how much money will be wasted.

 

[Belgium]

Excerpt:
House Speaker Paul Ryan has backed the document requests, and he led a meeting last week with committee chairmen and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to try to resolve the issue. In a television interview two days after that meeting, on June 17, Nunes said if they don’t get the documents by this week, “there’s going to be hell to pay” and indicated the House could act on contempt or even impeachment. A spokesman for Nunes did not immediately respond to a request for comment Saturday.
https://apnews.com/c833af9e743142f59df4d91354c69a41
DOJ gives Congress new classified documents on Russia probe

The Justice Department says it has given House Republicans new classified information related to the Russia investigation after they had threatened to hold officials in contempt of Congress or even impeach them.

A spokeswoman for House Speaker Paul Ryan says the department has partially complied with multiple requests from the House Intelligence and Judiciary committees. House Republicans had given the department a Friday deadline for all documents, but Ryan spokeswoman AshLee Strong said the department asked for more time.

“Our efforts have resulted in the committees finally getting access to information that was sought months ago, but some important requests remain to be completed,” Strong said in a statement Saturday. “Additional time has been requested for the outstanding items, and based on our understanding of the process we believe that request is reasonable. We expect the department to meet its full obligations to the two committees.”

In a letter sent to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes late Friday, the Justice Department said it had that day provided a classified letter to his panel regarding whether the FBI used “confidential human sources” before it officially began its Russia investigation in 2016. Nunes has been pressing the department on an informant who spoke to members of President Donald Trump’s campaign as the FBI began to explore the campaign’s ties to Russia.

The department has already given top lawmakers in the House and Senate three classified briefings on the informant. But Nunes has said he wanted the entire committee to receive the information.

In the letter, the Justice Department’s acting assistant director of congressional affairs, Jill Tyson, said the department had also given Nunes materials related to oversight of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Republicans have for months questioned whether the department abused that act when prosecutors and agents in 2016 applied for and received a secret warrant to monitor the communications of a Trump campaign associate.

Democrats have criticized the multiple document requests, charging that they are intended to discredit the department and discredit or even undermine special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into the Trump campaign’s Russia ties and whether there was obstruction of justice.

House Speaker Paul Ryan has backed the document requests, and he led a meeting last week with committee chairmen and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to try to resolve the issue. In a television interview two days after that meeting, on June 17, Nunes said if they don’t get the documents by this week, “there’s going to be hell to pay” and indicated the House could act on contempt or even impeachment. A spokesman for Nunes did not immediately respond to a request for comment Saturday.

Tyson also wrote House Judiciary Committee Chairman Robert Goodlatte, who had subpoenaed the department for documents related to the Russia investigation and also the department’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails in 2016. She detailed progress on those requests and said the department is “expeditiously completing them.”

In the letters, Tyson said the department had built “new tools” to search top secret documents and had diverted resources from other congressional requests.

House Intel Democrat Swalwell also alleges to Yahoo that Nunes is blocking the committee from sending the Stone and Caputo transcripts to Mueller.
Excerpt:
Swalwell focused on recent revelations that, at Caputo’s instigation, Stone met during the 2016 campaign in Florida with a Russian immigrant and sometime FBI informant named Henry Greenberg who offered “dirt” on Hillary Clinton.
Neither Stone nor Caputo mentioned the meeting when they testified last year before the House Intelligence Committee about their contacts with Russians — a failure that both men have attributed to the fact that they had forgotten about it.
“And so to say that there was ‘failure of memory’ by both individuals to recall this meeting, I just don’t buy it,” Swalwell told Yahoo News’ chief investigative correspondent Michael Isikoff and editor in chief Daniel Klaidman.
“I think they just lied through their teeth to protect the fact that they were willing and eager to take a meeting with Russians who were offering dirt,” he added.

Stone and Caputo have been “shielded by Republicans who will not allow Mueller’s team to see the transcripts,” Swalwell said.
“The Nunes team has refused to cooperate with us on that and at least send [the transcripts] over to Mueller,” he added. “And so yes, I do believe that both Caputo and Stone, that special counsel should be able to look at that for perjury.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/key-demo...eth-testifying-russia-contacts-120355769.html
Key Democrat: Trump advisers 'lied through their teeth' when testifying about Russia contacts

Swalwell focused on recent revelations that, at Caputo’s instigation, Stone met during the 2016 campaign in Florida with a Russian immigrant and sometime FBI informant named Henry Greenberg who offered “dirt” on Hillary Clinton.

Neither Stone nor Caputo mentioned the meeting when they testified last year before the House Intelligence Committee about their contacts with Russians — a failure that both men have attributed to the fact that they had forgotten about it.

“And so to say that there was ‘failure of memory’ by both individuals to recall this meeting, I just don’t buy it,” Swalwell told Yahoo News’ chief investigative correspondent Michael Isikoff and editor in chief Daniel Klaidman.

“I think they just lied through their teeth to protect the fact that they were willing and eager to take a meeting with Russians who were offering dirt,” he added.


Stone and Caputo have been “shielded by Republicans who will not allow Mueller’s team to see the transcripts,” Swalwell said.

“The Nunes team has refused to cooperate with us on that and at least send [the transcripts] over to Mueller,” he added. “And so yes, I do believe that both Caputo and Stone, that special counsel should be able to look at that for perjury.”


Stone says he rejected the offer on the spot. “You don’t understand Donald Trump,” Stone said he told Greenberg, according to the Post account. “He doesn’t pay for anything.”

The precise context for the meeting remains unclear — including where Greenberg might have gotten the “dirt” he claimed to have. Both Stone and Caputo have said nothing came of it and they now believe they were being set up by the FBI.

More recently, Caputo was questioned about the Greenberg meeting by special counsel Robert Mueller’s prosecutors, prompting him to notify the committee that he wanted to amend his testimony. He also tipped off Stone to the questions about the Greenberg meeting, prompting Stone to amend his testimony as well.

Swalwell suggested Stone’s contacts with Russians are of particular significance because the committee has “good reason to believe” he was in regular contact with Trump during the campaign.

“Stone is a self-proclaimed dirty trickster,” Swalwell said. “He was close with Donald Trump. He was communicating with individuals associated with the Russian hacks. It would be very hard for me to believe that if he was in contact with Donald Trump regularly throughout the summer of 2016 and the fall, that he would not be passing along to Mr. Trump his efforts to obtain Hillary Clinton’s deleted emails — or efforts that were passed along to him that others were taking to obtain the emails.”

Stone, for his part, has denied any wrongdoing and, during his prepared statement to the committee last year (which he released to the press), the veteran GOP consultant specifically accused Swalwell of misrepresenting his “innocuous” Twitter messages with a Russian online persona in order to imply there was “collusion” between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Both men have accused congressional Democrats of spreading what Stone called “bogus charges” about Russian collusion – with no evidence to back them up — in an effort to sully their reputations. “God damn you to hell,” Caputo said last month after testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee, saying legal costs associated with the ongoing Russian investigation had “forced” his family from its home and “crushed” his children.

Swalwell emphasized that, despite a public report released by the House Intel Committee’s GOP majority, the overall committee’s investigation is not over and that the panel is expecting to receive new documents from Cambridge Analytica whistleblower Christopher Wylie and hear testimony from another witness whose identity has not yet been released. When asked if, based on the testimony to date, he believes there are grounds to bring articles of impeachment against Trump, Swalwell paused for a moment — and then suggested that a lot would depend on the outcome of the November congressional election and whether Democrats retake control of the House, giving investigators like Swalwell subpoena power for the first time.

He said that “because impeachment is the harshest remedy, I think you want to present to the American people and our colleagues an impenetrable case. And the best way to do that would be to have subpoena power — to look at communication logs, to look at bank records, to look at travel records and be able to show and really tighten up the case — to prove it beyond any reasonable doubt that people would have.”

 

[whywesteppin]

I don't see why there's an uproar over this.

He was looking out for her health.

Does anyone complain when a bartender cuts off the alcoholic?

 

[plansb]

I bet shs orders like the situation

 

[gry60]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lready-exceeds-eu-budget-payments-study-shows
Brexit Has Already Cost the U.K. More than Its EU Budget Payments, Study Shows

• Vote to leave EU costs Treasury 23 billion pounds in lost tax
• Weekly cost exceeds gains pledged by Brexit campaigners

The damage to the U.K. economy caused by the vote to leave the European Union two years ago already exceeds the size of the budget contributions Britain will be able to claw back when it finally leaves the bloc, according to an economic study by the Centre for European Reform.

Russia won.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Sara Huckabee repping for baby prisons and surprised when people don't wanna serve her food.

 

[elpablo21]

 

[elpablo21]

 

[boris]

Hey, does this sound familiar??

 

[grnd7]

Blows my mind that cats that came here and went through the legal process of becoming a legal citizen, and know exactly how hard and how long it takes, and just how something minuscule can send you right back to the starting line can look down their nose at people coming here trying to give their kids a better chance at life. I say this as a first generation product of Haitian immigrants. No better than “if I did there’s no reason you can’t either” backwards a** bootstrappers

I can admit I use to be one of those bootstrap idiots.

 

[stuntman mike]

WOMP WOMP

 

[IATT]

Apple dont fall too far from...

 

[boris]

WE WANTS.

 

[Nike Jordan]

Apple dont fall too far from...

Look up Wayne DuMond.

 

[grnd7]

Enforces the white supremacy deeply rooted in USA institutions

Convinces racists who want to join law enforcement

Normalizes all of the previous ICE/DHS atrocities from the early 2000s (even liberals dont even want to abolish ICE like Kamala Harris)

Plays to the Trump base

All of these but I swear to god SMFH at the people I've read saying that this is a Mueller distraction holyyyy shiiiii

-galaxy brain meme-

With only showing boys Trump is trying to associate them with MS-13. He tweets/speaks about the violence of MS-13 and only images of boys are shown.

 

[grnd7]

He's the type that thinks he can outsmart Mueller. He is a genius compared to his sister.

Who knew the Keebler's had a church.

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

Yo dawg..

 

[grnd7]

Listening to the Armstrong Williams show right now, just to hear a different perspective on issues. Man, the cognitive dissonance present in all their arguments is making it so hard to take their opinions seriously. He’s got a guest on making the argument “why are we worrying about people in other countries when we can’t take care of our own” meanwhile their side of politics has had control for over 500 days and haven’t pushed for any policy that “takes care of our own”. And even then, since when did we not become able to deal with more than one issue? I’m getting the urge to call in and go off

I'm glad he is not on air any longer. I don't feel he brought any value from a conservative standpoint and there are times I want to hear the other side. He had gotten to the point where I didn't feel he did any research on the topics being discussed and he would just fall back on "how I was raised". Also, I don't know if the young man he often had on was a family member or what but he couldn't discuss topics with callers that were just politics 101. Seemed like a money grab to me.

 

[blastercombo]

This should happen everywhere these people go until they hit Alabama. I’m sure they won’t have a problem with them

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

I'm glad he is not on air any longer. I don't feel he brought any value from a conservative standpoint and there are times I want to hear the other side. He had gotten to the point where I didn't feel he did any research on the topics being discussed and he would just fall back on "how I was raised". Also, I don't know if the young man he often had on was a family member or what but he couldn't discuss topics with callers that were just politics 101. Seemed like a money grab to me.

The one thing that he taught me is that black conservatism Is a whole different breeding conservatism. And although his show may not have been a symbol for conservative intellectualism the topics he talked about plus the callers that called in to talk about those topics openeded up my eyes to just how different I am ideologically with people from other places. Some views and opinions were flat out wrong, but most of the time I could see where other people were coming from to believe what they believe. And most of the time what makes people’s opinions go right instead of left is that their missing key pieces of context, nuance or information. Sometimes I felt like Armstrong was a little disingenuous in some conversations when given the opportunity to shed light or bring in context, he didn’t. Either way, this immigration thing going on this past week it actually changed his opinion on somethings

 

[rexanglorum]

Based on past liberal behavior, everyone who worked in the Trump White House will have a cushy job on CNN or at MSNBC or at the Atlantic or at a think tank or a white shoe law firm or at an investment bank. Some of them may find themselves as a future Cory Booker or a Kamala Harris or Joe Biden appointee to some bipartisan commission on how to cut Social Security. Most of the libs, in the 2020's, will shout down Leftists and say that punishing Trump era officials is crazy and is a purity test and will alienate "blue dogs."

For the record, I don't think that libs have any sort of pact with Trump's people and am sure that Libs are truly disgusted with Trump's administration right now. They are simply so beholden to their shared professional-managerial class loyalties, including their delusion that the world operates like an Aaron Sorkin TV show, that they will think they are making the world a better place by embracing bad actors from the out going Trump administration.