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funny to see the same arguments echoed across platforms (NT, facebook, twitter, CNN, etc) by conservatives, and they appear within hours of each other. who is the source?
"they care about immigrant children but they don't care about aborting babies?"
"Obama started this."
"if liberals had their way, we would have open borders."
"some argument about wages that I don't really understand but sounds apocalyptic."
"they care about immigrant children but they don't care about aborting babies?"
"Obama started this."
"if liberals had their way, we would have open borders."
"some argument about wages that I don't really understand but sounds apocalyptic."
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EddieDoyers
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This is probably the stupidest argument by Trumpers by far, but I don’t want to engage them because they will pull out other strawman arguments.
Let’s say for logic reasons, they think everything immigration wise Obama did was bad according to them. If that’s the case, if Trump is supposedly pursuing the same policy that Obama did, why is Trump an acceptable authority figure on that then and not Obama?
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Don’t forget the obscure argument: “we’ve got poverty and crime to deal with here first and can’t support people coming in”
As if modern day conservatives ever cared about crime or that the presence of illegal immigrants or asylum seekers are such a burden that poverty can’t and won’t be addressed until they’re gone.
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This is probably the stupidest argument by Trumpers by far, but I don’t want to engage them because they will pull out other strawman arguments.
Let’s say for logic reasons, they think everything immigration wise Obama did was bad according to them. If that’s the case, if Trump is supposedly pursuing the same policy that Obama did, why is Trump an acceptable authority figure on that then and not Obama?
Shut that argument down at work the other day. The law permits separation to happen under discretionary circumstances. Trumps policy made it mandatory for it to happen every time. They quickly moved onto “we don’t hate immigrants they should Just come here legally” meanwhile voting for people that want to make the legal immigration process harder and longer.
EddieDoyers
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In addition to that, another solution for the illegal immigration problem is to actually help countries stabilize their economy through productive and efficient aid programs. Most of the migrants are coming from El Salvador, Honduras, or other poor Latin America countries, and they are forced to come because their livelihood is unstable. In helping those countries stabilize, it would lessen the burden of having to employ border patrol and less red tape of having to track immigrants, while also ensuring that less people would take the chance to trek to the USA in such dangerous conditions.
Sad thing is that our government is mostly only interested in being isolationist, and this problem won’t get any better if they continue to have draconian solutions for these societal problems.
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http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-phillip-mccain-shoot-immigrants-986563
Tl;dr musician makes blatant racist Facebook post about shooting immigrants and liberalism disease, gig that night gets canceled, band kicks him out. Says he’s “sorry” and claims it “wasn’t what he meant”
CC: fools wildin thread
Tl;dr musician makes blatant racist Facebook post about shooting immigrants and liberalism disease, gig that night gets canceled, band kicks him out. Says he’s “sorry” and claims it “wasn’t what he meant”
CC: fools wildin thread
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I always wanted to know or ask
why can’t congress do something for the undocumented people here? i’m taking about people here for 20-30+ years without papers?
why can’t congress do something for the undocumented people here? i’m taking about people here for 20-30+ years without papers?
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I hate to always be so cynical but what is the color of skin of the undocumented as it pertains to this specific debate?
What is color of skin of the members of congres, and what facet of American society do they come from?
Of course it's also true that solving the issues of the undocumented citizens of this country is not their only obligation.
But look at the members of congress and their collective track record on any civil rights issue. Look at who they actually have a history of advocating for, or showing tolerance and compassion.
Again I hate to be so cynical but look at the physical, ethnic and cultural features of the members of congress.
They may demonstrate a little consternation when they hear audio of an imprisoned 3 year old crying for his/her parents, but they don't actually give a flying **** about any brown person in this country... and that's probably one of the more conscionable viewpoints on aggregate when it comes to racial minorities.
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You must be talking about a technologically obsolete wall. Do you always find a way to put your foot in your mouth like you just did above?
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Aaaaaannnnnnnddddddd still waiting for the left's immigration platform ...
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NT has a search function.
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No one is foot-stomping for open borders, at least not me. There are countries where you will literally be shot on site for trying to cross the border illegally so it actually could be worse down in Texas, but it's still a disaster down there. There should be border controls but they should be humanitarian in nature. Why are you here? Where are you from? Where do you plan on going? Are you able to take care of your household without being a burden to tax payers? What assistance does your country need that we can fix this long term problem. Just a few questions. I don't have the answers.
This is an issue people need to sit down and talk about, then figure out long-term solutions. Politicians and humanitarian groups of all the affected countries. Not tweet about. Not press conference about. Not message board about. Not dog whistle about. Not say who is going to pay for a wall about. Sit down and talk about it like adults. If 3 people can sit down in nuetral territory and figure out how to end WW2, they can sit down and figure out the immigration problem without nationalism and white supremacy rearing their ugly heads.
If you want to keep it 100, if the U.S wasn't screwing around in central and south america for the last 70 years we wouldn't have this problem.
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Thank you for your response ...
I think part of the issue is the 'all or nothing' society we live in today ... I was talking to my cousin yesterday about gun control ... We differ quite a bit politically, partly because his views have changed dramatically because of a bird, but it is clear that things can be done to move the ball forward ... The problem we have is both sides want to hit homeruns when a few singles would work just fine ...
The separation issue was used a deterrent to liberal voters and then politically by the left to create the media storm we just experienced ... Once we can all agree to this then we can move forward ...
As for policy, I think if our current laws are enforced and we invest in more security, immigration will bw beneficial again ...
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At least make it hard..
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Don't throw stones if you live in a glass Mar-a-Lago 
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I really like the idea of circumventing the hysteria and placing an extreme penalty on companies that employ illegal immigrants ...
MalcolmNewton
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Yeah no way i'm feeling sympathy for jackasses that voted against their own interests in the name of white supremacy and making libs mad. Funny thing is dude they voted for to piss off "coast elites" probably has most east coast elite name.
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