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Kimchi Papi said:
It will be interesting to see how the deplorables frame that within the context of the 2nd amendment.
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I love watching them try though “bbbbut that’s different!”

Riiiight. Land of the free for you but not for everyone? That isn’t hypocritical at all is it?
 
A second caravan currently in Mexico. This situation is not gonna end pretty at all. I can already see white supremacists wanting to volunteer their services at the border.
 
Air Money said:
can’t really align adidas or nike yeezys into pro right or trump stuff. nah. but smh that adidas had some nazi affiliation if true. didn’t know.
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Air Money said:
what’s that, nazi lovers or something
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There is a lot more detail, but here are the broad strokes...

adolf & rudolf dasslers joined the nazi party in 1930, 10 years after it was founded & 9 years before the start of WW2 (1939). They were in Hitler's inner circle (particularly adolf dassler). In fact as the war was brewing, adolf jumped at the chance to use his factory to help the war effort so that he could carry favor with the fuhrer.

So as the war began, the adidas factory was used to manufacture heavy anti-tank artillery (giant bazooka) called the panzershreck which was feared among the allied forces. It was responsible for killing thousands of allied troops on the eastern front, Africa, Italy, & France.

To give you an idea on how effective a weapon this was, when the nazis provided Finaland the weaponry to fight the russians, they destroyed 25 russian tanks in their first use of the weapon.

The left over metals were used to make some of the gas cans used in concentration camps as well as other items like shackles & fencing (among other things) for concentration camps.

The dassler involvement in the nazi party allowed them to sieze/take over businesses that rivaled or aligned with their companies also.

As the war drew on, adolf wanted sole control of the company once the war ended so he made up a story about his brother rudolf not fully supporting the nazi war effort & turned him into the gestapo. rudolf was made the serve on the front lines as punishment & ended up being captured by American forces & was in a POW camp for 3-4 years.

After the war this led to heated bitterness between the brothers & rudolf went on to form puma. As stated in my last post about this, the company has spent millions of dollars cleaning up a lot of the information that used to be available on the internet, particularly photos of the dassler bros attending nazi functions wearing their spiffy gray hugo boss nazi party suits. There was a series of photos of the dasslers 5 years before the start of the world with hitler, goebbels, & other big party members. They even had the adidas name & the dassler name wiped clean from wikipedia post about the panzershreck (it used to be there).
 
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A Black conservative calling out Candace Owens for being a fake black conservative and also pulling out all kinds of evidence on Candace shaky past in other videos lol.
 
Kimchi Papi said:
There is a lot more detail, but here are the broad strokes...

adolf & rudolf dasslers joined the nazi party in 1930, 10 years after it was founded & 9 years before the start of WW2 (1939). They were in Hitler's inner circle (particularly adolf dassler). In fact as the war was brewing, adolf jumped at the chance to use his factory to help the war effort so that he could carry favor with the fuhrer.

So as the war began, the adidas factory was used to manufacture heavy anti-tank artillery (giant bazooka) called the panzershreck which was feared among the allied forces. It was responsible for killing thousands of allied troops on the eastern front, Africa, Italy, & France.

To give you an idea on how effective a weapon this was, when the nazis provided Finaland the weaponry to fight the russians, they destroyed 25 russian tanks in their first use of the weapon.

The left over metals were used to make some of the gas cans used in concentration camps as well as other items like shackles & fencing (among other things) for concentration camps.

The dassler involvement in the nazi party allowed them to sieze/take over businesses that rivaled or aligned with their companies also.

As the war drew on, adolf wanted sole control of the company once the war ended so he made up a story about his brother rudolf not fully supporting the nazi war effort & turned him into the gestapo. rudolf was made the serve on the front lines as punishment & ended up being captured by American forces & was in a POW camp for 3-4 years.

After the war this led to heated bitterness between the brothers & rudolf went on to form puma. As stated in my last post about this, the company has spent millions of dollars cleaning up a lot of the information that used to be available on the internet, particularly photos of the dassler bros attending nazi functions wearing their spiffy gray hugo boss nazi party suits. There was a series of photos of the dasslers 5 years before the start of the world with hitler, goebbels, & other big party members. They even had the adidas name & the dassler name wiped clean from wikipedia post about the panzershreck (it used to be there).
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What's up with adidas making shoes for Jesse Owens though? That was for the Berlin Olympics, under Hitler.
 
adolf was ever the opportunist & sonoftony sonoftony hit the nail on the head. He wanted everyone at the Berlin games to wear his shoes... I love how after the war he started calling himself adi & basically was like see I'm adi, I wasn't part of the nazi party... Its me adi... son turned his own brother into the getstapo to seize sole control of the company so he could roll solo after the war... The eff outta here you facist repugnant POS...
 
Was literally having this conversation with myself yesterday about whether it's right to support Adidas with this Kanye mess.
But then I think about all the other shady **** that companies I support do. Nike aint exactly innocent. Still, I'm holding off on buying any new adidas gear.

It's difficult to be a moral man in an immoral world.
 
Based Jesus said:
Was literally having this conversation with myself yesterday about whether it's right to support Adidas with this Kanye mess.
But then I think about all the other shady **** that companies I support do. Nike aint exactly innocent. Still, I'm holding off on buying any new adidas gear.

It's difficult to be a moral man in an immoral world.
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The trouble Nike got into with child & basically salve labor happened industry wide not only in sports wear but all fashion.

The manufacturing in general today based in any country uses essentially slave labor, especially any & all mobile devices, tablets, lap tops, computers, & electronics.

adidas directly contributed to the genocide of 6 million Jews & 17 million overall in their ethnic cleansing. They also contributed to the nearly 20 million russian deaths during WW2.

And to think they cleaned almost all the info off of the internet... Eff adidas...
 
Based Jesus said:
Was literally having this conversation with myself yesterday about whether it's right to support Adidas with this Kanye mess.
But then I think about all the other shady **** that companies I support do. Nike aint exactly innocent. Still, I'm holding off on buying any new adidas gear.

It's difficult to be a moral man in an immoral world.
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The sad reality is it's incredibly difficult to buy ethically sourced and made products.
 
sonoftony said:
At that time, Dassler wanted to get as many athletes as possible wearing the shoes including Owens even it caused some backlash

http://blog.adidas-group.com/2011/08/sport-history-jesse-owens/
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I knew this. What I can't really wrap my head around is how Adi still offered his shoes to Owens despite being a willing member of the Nazi party.

I was thinking that his participation to the Nazi war effort was rather reluctant and caused by a desire to not lose his factory, and not because he believed in the ideals of the party, which isn't uncommon in dictatorships since public acquiescence to the main (or only) party's vision is often necessary to protect one's assets.
 
gry60 said:
Especially when the majority of end-users don't care where the raw materials come from.
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It’s crazy that the industry continues to basically be ok with child slavery for the cobalt mining in Africa which is used in all lithium-ion batteries. Absolutely nothing is being down about it.
 
Interesting theory. I posted a previous Politico recently about a mysterious grand jury appeal from an unknown witness that appears to be linked to Mueller's grand jury.
Link to said post and article: https://niketalk.com/threads/official-political-discussion-thread.509493/page-5400#post-30776213
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/24/mueller-investigation-grand-jury-roger-stone-friend-938572

Personally I'm not sure if I'm buying that the mystery witness is the president. It seems more likely to me that if anything, it would be Donald Jr or Kushner.
The one Trump-appointed judge on the D.C. Circuit court has recused himself from this ongoing grand jury appeal.
Presumably it must be someone important. A Roger Stone aide is currently fighting a Mueller grand jury subpoena too but that is in the public record. Everything in this appeal case is under seal and the appeal is rapidly moving forward. The witness also
Excerpt: (see full article further below)
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/31/has-robert-mueller-subpoenaed-trump-222060
Has Mueller Subpoenaed the President?
  • The parties and the judges have moved with unusual alacrity. Parties normally have 30 days to appeal a lower court action. The witness here appealed just five days after losing in the district court—and three days later filed a motion before the appellate court to stay the district court’s order. That’s fast.
  • The appeals court itself responded with remarkable speed, too. One day after getting the witness’s motion, the court gave the special counsel just three days to respond—blindingly short as appellate proceedings go. The special counsel’s papers were filed October 1.
  • At this point an unspecified procedural flaw seems to have emerged, and on October 3, the appeals court dismissed the appeal. Just two days later, the lower court judge cured the flaw, the witness re-appealed, and by October 10 the witness was once again before appellate court. Thanks to very quick action of all the judges, less than one week was lost due to a flaw that, in other cases, could have taken weeks or months to resolve.
  • Back before the D.C. Circuit, this case’s very special handling continued. On October 10, the day the case returned to the court, the parties filed a motion for expedited handling, and within two days, the judges had granted their motion and set an accelerated briefing schedule. The witness was given just 11 days to file briefs; the special counsel (presumably) just two weeks to respond; and reply papers one week later, on November 14 (for those paying attention, that’s 8 days after the midterm elections). Oral arguments are set for December 14.
At every level, this matter has commanded the immediate and close attention of the judges involved—suggesting that no ordinary witness and no ordinary issue is involved. But is it the president? The docket sheets give one final—but compelling—clue. When the witness lost the first time in the circuit court (before the quick round-trip to the district court), he unusually petitioned for rehearing en banc—meaning he thought his case was so important that it merited the very unusual action of convening all 10 of the D.C. Circuit judges to review the order. That is itself telling (this witness believes his case demands very special handling), but the order disposing of the petition is even more telling: President Trump’s sole appointee to that court, Gregory Katsas, recused himself.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/31/has-robert-mueller-subpoenaed-trump-222060
Has Mueller Subpoenaed the President?
These months before the midterm elections are tough ones for all of us Mueller-watchers. As we expected, he has gone quiet in deference to long-standing Justice Department policy that prosecutors should not take actions that might impact pending elections. Whatever he is doing, he is doing quietly and even farther from the public eye than usual.

But thanks to some careful reporting by Politico, which I have analyzed from my perspective as a former prosecutor, we may have stumbled upon How Bob Mueller Is Spending His Mid-Terms: secretly litigating against President Trump for the right to throw him in the grand jury.

As a former prosecutor and Senate and White House aide, I predicted here last May that Mueller would promptly subpoena Trump and, like Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr back in 1998, bring a sitting president before his grand jury to round out and conclude his investigation. What Trump knew and when he knew it, and what exactly motivated his statements and actions, are central to Mueller’s inquiry on both Russian interference and obstruction of justice.

As the summer proceeded, we certainly heard a great deal from Rudy Giuliani, the president’s lawyer, about purported negotiations with Mueller’s office about the propriety and scope of Trump’s potential testimony. On August 15, Giuliani said Trump would move to quash a subpoena and went so far as to say, “[W]e’re pretty much finished with our memorandum opposing a subpoena.”

And then—nothing. Labor Day came and went without a visible move by Mueller to subpoena the president, and we entered the quiet period before the midterms. Even the voluble Giuliani went quiet, more or less. Mindful of the time it would take to fight out the legal issues surrounding a presidential subpoena, and mindful of the ticking clock on Mueller’s now 18-month-old investigation, many of us began to wonder if Mueller had decided to forego the compelling and possibly conclusive nature of presidential testimony in favor of findings built on inference and circumstantial evidence. A move that would leave a huge hole in his final report and findings.

But now, thanks to Politico’s reporting (backed up by the simple gumshoe move of sitting in the clerk’s office waiting to see who walks in and requests what file), we may know what Mueller has been up to: Since mid-August, he may have been locked in proceedings with Trump and his lawyers over a grand jury subpoena—in secret litigation that could tell us by December whether the president will testify before Mueller’s grand jury.
The evidence lies in obscure docket entries at the clerk’s office for the D.C. Circuit. Thanks to Politico’s Josh Gerstein and Darren Samuelsohn, we know that on August 16th (the day after Giuliani said he was almost finished with his memorandum, remember), a sealed grand jury case was initiated in the D.C. federal district court before Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell. We know that on September 19, Chief Judge Howell issued a ruling and 5 days later one of the parties appealed to the D.C. Circuit. And thanks to Politico’s reporting, we know that the special counsel’s office is involved (because the reporter overheard a conversation in the clerk’s office). We can further deduce that the special counsel prevailed in the district court below, and that the presumptive grand jury witness has frantically appealed that order and sought special treatment from the judges of the D.C. Circuit—often referred to as the “second-most important court in the land.”

Nothing about the docket sheets, however, discloses the identity of the witness. Politico asked many of the known attorneys for Mueller witnesses—including Jay Sekulow, another Trump lawyer—and every one denied knowledge of the identity of the witness. (What, of course, would we expect a lawyer to say when asked about a proceeding the court has ordered sealed?)

But for those of us who have been appellate lawyers, the brief docket entries tell a story. Here’s what we can glean:

  • The parties and the judges have moved with unusual alacrity. Parties normally have 30 days to appeal a lower court action. The witness here appealed just five days after losing in the district court—and three days later filed a motion before the appellate court to stay the district court’s order. That’s fast.
  • The appeals court itself responded with remarkable speed, too. One day after getting the witness’s motion, the court gave the special counsel just three days to respond—blindingly short as appellate proceedings go. The special counsel’s papers were filed October 1.
  • At this point an unspecified procedural flaw seems to have emerged, and on October 3, the appeals court dismissed the appeal. Just two days later, the lower court judge cured the flaw, the witness re-appealed, and by October 10 the witness was once again before appellate court. Thanks to very quick action of all the judges, less than one week was lost due to a flaw that, in other cases, could have taken weeks or months to resolve.
  • Back before the D.C. Circuit, this case’s very special handling continued. On October 10, the day the case returned to the court, the parties filed a motion for expedited handling, and within two days, the judges had granted their motion and set an accelerated briefing schedule. The witness was given just 11 days to file briefs; the special counsel (presumably) just two weeks to respond; and reply papers one week later, on November 14 (for those paying attention, that’s 8 days after the midterm elections). Oral arguments are set for December 14.
At every level, this matter has commanded the immediate and close attention of the judges involved—suggesting that no ordinary witness and no ordinary issue is involved. But is it the president? The docket sheets give one final—but compelling—clue. When the witness lost the first time in the circuit court (before the quick round-trip to the district court), he unusually petitioned for rehearing en banc—meaning he thought his case was so important that it merited the very unusual action of convening all 10 of the D.C. Circuit judges to review the order. That is itself telling (this witness believes his case demands very special handling), but the order disposing of the petition is even more telling: President Trump’s sole appointee to that court, Gregory Katsas, recused himself.

Why did he recuse himself? We don’t know; by custom, judges typically don’t disclose their reasons for sitting a matter out. But Judge Katsas previously served in the Trump White House, as one of four deputy White House counsels. He testified in his confirmation hearings that in that position he handled executive branch legal issues, but made clear that apart from some discrete legal issues, he had not been involved in the special counsel’s investigation. If the witness here were unrelated to the White House, unless the matter raised one of the discrete legal issues on which he had previously given advice, there would be no reason to recuse himself.

But if the witness were the president himself—if the matter involved an appeal from a secret order requiring the president to testify before the grand jury—then Judge Katsas would certainly feel obliged to recuse himself from any official role. Not only was the president his former client (he was deputy counsel to the president, remember) but he owes his judicial position to the president’s nomination. History provides a useful parallel: In 1974, in the unanimous Supreme Court decision US v Nixonrequiring another witness-president to comply with a subpoena, Justice William Rehnquist recused himself for essentially the same reasons.

We cannot know, from the brief docket entries that are available to us in this sealed case, that the matter involves President Trump. But we do know from Politico’s reporting that it involves the special counsel and that the action here was filed the day after Giuliani noted publicly, “[W]e’re pretty much finished with our memorandum opposing a subpoena.” We know that the district court had ruled in favor of the special counsel and against the witness; that the losing witness has moved with alacrity and with authority; and that the judges have responded with accelerated rulings and briefing schedules. We know that Judge Katsas, Trump’s former counsel and nominee, has recused himself. And we know that this sealed legal matter will come to a head in the weeks just after the midterm elections.

If Mueller were going to subpoena the president—and there’s every reason why a careful and thorough prosecutor would want the central figure on the record on critical questions regarding his knowledge and intent—this is just the way we would expect him to do so. Quietly, expeditiously, and refusing to waste the lull in public action demanded by the midterm elections. It all fits.
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