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Once he gets those superpac funds, is he still considered an outsider?

He doesn't get them..u can't coordinate with super pacs.
That's not the argument Drumpf made when he was trying to blame Cruz for the attack on Drumpf's mail-order bride.

He was insinuating that da person running Ted Cruz's super pac was someone REAL close to Cruz's circle so for them to act like they aren't coordinating other than a "wink & nod" was disingenuous.

Still doesn't negate da fact that its illegal.
 
I don't like that about Drumpf though. He insinuates a lot of heavy-duty allegations but then always throws in a qualifier at the end so he can back out of it (in this case insinuating Cruz broke the law without offering any proof). That's dishonorable to me.

He's done this on nearly every issue out there.

If one of your friends acted like that, you would be sure to call him a piece of **** and keep him at a distance.
 
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It's funny reading these Trump supporters posts trying to craft these illusions and wild scenarios for.Trump to win cuz they can't face reality.
 
Once he gets those superpac funds, is he still considered an outsider?

He doesn't get them..u can't coordinate with super pacs.

I thought what was good for the goose was good for the gander though.

You can't criticize Hillary for getting financial support from special interest groups and not do the same for Trump.

She can't coordinate with superPACs either, but that doesn't stop her opponents from accusing her of being in bed with Big Money.

I'd like you to consider why - if the Drumpf is so pro-American manufacturing - does he have a clothing line made in Mexico? If he is so pro-benefits for the working poor, why are his hotel employees on minimum wage with nothing else resembling the benefits he is promising the rest of America?

He's making all those promises, but he doesn't have a history of applying them anywhere within his own business ventures; why do you believe in him?

Why should I?
 
You can't criticize Hillary for getting financial support from special interest groups and not do the same for Trump

Umm she solicited da support...quiet different from a super pac (hence those paid speeches which are under lock and key.)
 
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Well good thing Trump isn't running to be our friend.
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Well good thing Trump isn't running to be our friend.

Yea i can care less bout that.

I want da Country rockin again.
Again? Like in which era? And what exactly about that era made it "rockin"?

I'm genuinely interested. Because I think this is a pivotal point and a great way to start the discussion. Because I think we can all agree (at least I would hope) that, while we may disagree on what has gotten better or what has gotten worse over the years, things have changed. The nature of the economy has changed, the nature of technology has changed, the nature of societal norms has changed, etc.
 
You can't criticize Hillary for getting financial support from special interest groups and not do the same for Trump

Umm she solicited da support...quiet different from a suoer pac.

Well, Trump could say "NO" to superPAC money, especially since he knows (as we all do) that it comes with strings attached.

But he won't.

Because he needs it.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-wont-self-fund-general-election-campaign-1462399502

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ll-out-his-base-in-a-general-election/476880/

 
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trump-says-no-super-pacs-demands-others-do-same

Republican front-runner Donald Trump called on unlimited money groups backing his candidacy to drop their support on Friday— and demanded other candidates do the same.

“I am self-funding my campaign and therefore I will not be controlled by the donors, special interests and lobbyists who have corrupted our politics and politicians for far too long,” Trump said in a statement. “I have disavowed all Super PAC’s, requested the return of all donations made to said PAC’s, and I am calling on all Presidential candidates to do the same. The character of our country is only as strong as our leaders — the only special interest I am beholden to is the American people and together we will Make America Great Again!”

The move came after The Washington Post raised questions about a Colorado-based super PAC’s ties to Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski. That group, Make America Great Again PAC, announced on Thursday night that it would shut down to quiet concerns that it was too close to Trump, who has frequently highlighted his refusal to solicit large donations as a sign of independence.

Like I said, he needs their money now
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...the-reality-of-donald-trumps-business-empire/

Construction workers at Trump’s new D.C. hotel told The Washington Post that some workers were undocumented, while the New York Times reported that Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach rejected hundreds of applications from Americans only to bring in hundreds of Romanian guest workers.

As Rubio recounted in the debate Thursday night, Trump also faced a long-running lawsuit over the use of undocumented workers at the Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. The building was allegedly built by undocumented Polish workers who were paid $5 an hour or less, when they were paid at all. The case dragged on for decades. The judged ruled that Trump knew that Polish workers were working off the books and were paid illegally and sub-standardly. Trump appealed, and the case was ultimately settled in 1999.

A zebra cannot change its stripes. If that man becomes president, his supporters will be in for a rude awakening.
 
What's funny is that a common complaint throughout the history of mankind is that only the rich can enter politics. By Drumpf saying everyone should self-fund their campaign, he's essentially saying only the richest of the rich should be politicians.

Of course his supporters won't call him out on this.
 
Right now, Clinton has the lead over Sanders in terms of pledged delegates, but not enough to get the 2,383 delegates needed to win the nomination. After the Indiana primary, Clinton has 1,682 pledged delegates (not including superdelegates) and Sanders has 1,361. Sanders would need 984 more delegates to get the nomination, but there are only 933 pledged delegates left in the remaining states. However, Clinton would need 70 percent of the remaining delegates to get the nomination herself, which is also not very likely to happen. This means we’re likely to see a contested convention, which will leave the decision to the superdelegates.



Sanders is consistently polling much higher one-on-one against Trump than Clinton. Sanders supporters are asking, if the Democrat party truly wants to win the presidential race, why would they not push for Sanders at the Convention if he’s able to close the gap with Clinton?


Already, some Sanders supporters have taken on the “Bernie or Bust” motto, vowing to not vote for Clinton if she’s given the nomination. This anti-establishment mindset has led some supporters to say that “Bernie or Bust” also means they would even vote for Trump — or an independent candidate — if the general election came down to Clinton v. Trump. Meanwhile, these same independent voters would support Bernie Sanders en masse if he had the nomination.


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http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/berni...endent-vote-democratic-nomination-how/?b2np=d
 
great. so if Drumpf becomes president, I don't just blame angry uneducated white right-wingers, I can blame smug educated white left-wingers too.
 
supporters have taken on the “Bernie or Bust” motto, vowing to not vote for Clinton if she’s given the nomination. This anti-establishment mindset has led some supporters to say that “Bernie or Bust” also means they would even vote for Trump

Hillary is loathed.
 
great. so if Drumpf becomes president, I don't just blame angry uneducated white right-wingers, I can blame smug educated white left-wingers too.

I would blame a Democratic Party that doesn't represent workers at all, including a majority of white collar, college educated workers.

In purely self interested terms, why should a working class white male vote for Hillary Clinton or other pro business Democrats? You will be poor in any case but with socially liberal-fiscally conservative Dems like Hillary, they will also take your gun, call you privileged and call you a latent rapist. They will tell you that Malia and Sasha Obama and Chelsea Clinton are victims and you are a monster. If the Dems won't help you get your actual wages up, why not turn to the GOP who will at least help you keep your "public and Psychological wage."

If the DNC is so greedy, bought or short sighted enough to completely eschew economic justice and try to win on race and gender politics alone, they deserve to lose.



BTW, I personally, will vote for a Democratic President but I can see the rationality, on the part of low income whites, in voting for Trump over Clinton.
 
in a way this election is as much of a mess for the Democrats as it is for the Republicans. both parties are putting forth deeply disliked (and flawed) individuals as their candidate (and in so doing are potentially splitting their party).

also, taking a step back and looking at the past few election cycles, the Democrats haven't had many wins in recent times outside of Obama being elected president.

I do think Hillary is in trouble if she tries to cruise through this election. She can't just be the non-Drumpf candidate. She needs to somehow inspire in the same way that Obama did and Bernie has done. But I don't know if she's capable.
 
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