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It's crazy what ppl will convince themselves of given the right narrative.
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Underestimating how much dirt the Clintons have on them is a bad idea.
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/10-scandals-involving-hillary-clinton-you-may-have-forgotten
When it comes to the clintons, the media has never went hard on things that actually matter. Even the email scandal buried the lead (the server).
If trump goes dirty (real dirty) you never know what's gonna happen. He's going to run left to Hillary on war and trade. DNC can't take anything for granted.
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/10-scandals-involving-hillary-clinton-you-may-have-forgotten
When it comes to the clintons, the media has never went hard on things that actually matter. Even the email scandal buried the lead (the server).
If trump goes dirty (real dirty) you never know what's gonna happen. He's going to run left to Hillary on war and trade. DNC can't take anything for granted.
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I can see how a poor working class white person will grip onto the message of the right because their life is so ******, that the only way they can gain some sort of utility out of the system isBut I will never find that to be an acceptable excuse for voting conservative and endorsing the disgusting things that come along with it.
Saying I'm gonna to endorse white supremacy and economic plans that keep me and my family on the lower rungs of the economic ladder, just because "hey, if I'm not helped, **** everyone else" is not a reason I respect. I understand it though, on some level
And let's be honest here. The reason Democrats have lost so many governor positions, state legislatures and why Donald Trump is the nominee is because of race politics by the way of Tea Party.
I find is mystifying that in 2016 progressives, even Bernie Sanders, acts like racism in America is just one of the issues. Why Elizabeth Warren can be quiet as mouse when black men are being slaughtered in the street, ask for the country to reach some sort of common ground, but in the next sentence roar like a lion about income inequity. Then months later someone will tap them on the back and remind them "Yeah, you know, it is really bad for minorities too" and I get a 15 mins speech "Systemic racism" nod.
The progressive movement will never control the Democratic party the way the message their platform now. Because right now their "economic justice" platform gets presented like "reparations for white people......only this time have minorities get it too, ok guys"
Bernie Sanders has pretty much devolved into borderline dog whistles too. "The smart voters are in the North", "White people don't what it is like in the ghetto", "Obama should have know the GOP would never have work with him, he needed to make people march on Washington, ........but they will work with me" , never once is the race issue mentioned. Somehow the Voting Rights Act being trampled on is not an issue of white supremacy but oppressing Bern's mostly white working class coalition.
For 8 years, culminating with the Sanders campaign white progressives have unknowingly been brothers in arms with faux Tea Party libertarians in harshly critiquing Obama's economic proposals:
-Obamacare is tyranny, Obamacare is not good enough.
-Free community college is socialism, free community college is not good enough.
-A jobs bill will bankrupt the nation, jobs bill not big enough
-10.10 will sky rocket unemployment, anything less that $15 is unacceptable
-Closing loopholes in exchange for tax breaks is fascism, giving companies a tax break makes you a DINO
-Obama is weak, Obama is too hawkish
Like did progressives think that rejecting the economic plans that might give many minority groups the lightest bit of economic breathing room was doing to endear them to same people that they need to gain power. More and more I'm afraid the progressives in this country are turning into the limousine liberals that they claim Bill and Hillary to be. Where anything short of their platform is dismissed and unacceptable neoliberal foolishness. Rejecting moderates I can see, but other central left Democrats have now been put in the crosshairs
And I haven't even touch of the self destructive behavior of poorer whites, or that fact that progressivism have failed to make in roads in Southern States because the working class whites their value white supremacy over economic justice. I agree that economic justice and class issues are missing from the Dem platform, that is one of the main reason they can't attract working class whites like they should, and that needs to be fixed. I am forever grateful to Bernie for bringing that to light. Because whether anyone likes it or nothing, the first step in fixing systemic racism is insuring economic justice for all Americans, including some of the most racist poor white southerns out there. Social Democracy needs to happen in America, at the very least we need to behind the path down that road.
But progressive must also remember is the reason we did it not because of complacency of liberals like Barrack Obama or Hillary Clinton. It was because of the wave of white nationalism that sprung up in response to having a black president. So that even after 8 years of seeing this, they will play coy and float idea like "Welp, if Obama had just passed "this", then "that" wouldn't have happened".
And lets not forget again that many of the things hurting lower and middle class white america was unleashed on the black community generations along; At the insistence of many in the white working class. The mother and father on many in Bernie's coalition probably cheered on many of the policies that destroyed minorities communities or offering minorities half assed policies to help them, a the while thinking that the 1% would still let the America Dream be alive to the lower class white community. And now some of these children are upset and confused that minorities don't follow their lead to "fix" the problem with Bernie, because the 1% is clapping their cheeks, it should be addressed.
And none of this is directed at you, but just a general observation about how progressive marketed they ideas this election cycle.
Form here on out a true progressive is going to have a shot at the Democratic nomination, but if these proceeding candidates can't (or won't) tie the fates on minority groups, especially African Americans, to the fate of working class whites, then they deserve to lose, just like Bernie.
And even though I share many of the same views as them will shed no tear for that candidate, his supporters, just like I shed no tears for poor working class whites that feel driven into the arms of Donald Trump, even though I think it is imperative these people get economic help.
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I thought the following (adapted from Blomberg's graduation address at UMich) addresses some of your points, Rusty. I would take Bernie over Drumpf any day of the week, but I thought Bloomberg made some good or at least interesting points:
http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/8u5...-challenge-of-our-time--Michael-R-Bloomb.html
http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/8u5...-challenge-of-our-time--Michael-R-Bloomb.html
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Thanks for the think, read it, but me and Bloomberg seem to be talking g about two different things.
Plus with all my discussion of acknowledging race issues in America, Mike Bloomberg is on dude that seems willingly tone deaf to it. And at worst, willing to indulge in white supremacy when the mood strikes him
Plus with all my discussion of acknowledging race issues in America, Mike Bloomberg is on dude that seems willingly tone deaf to it. And at worst, willing to indulge in white supremacy when the mood strikes him
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I don't think many are underestimating it.
I just don't think it's going to matter.
You telling me somebody or a group is waiting until the general election to reveal this dirt on the Clinton's and make it public? I mean for the past 2 years the republicans have been boring us with Benghazi and her e-mails
Got ninjahood constantly hopefully playing what if she gets arrested for her e-mail crimes
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You haven't learned anything have you
You're conflating your liberal ideology with da platform of da democratic party.
In 2008 Obama got to da white house because da majority of those poor white males that you castigate voted him in.
By writing off da concerns and needs of these working class whites as simply bitter angry racists instead of GENUINELY looking at how da Democratic party as abandoned them, you're never gonna address da problem because you can't take off da racial lense.
This consensus Its in every article
Da more you castigate these people, da TIGHTER they cling to Trump.
Trump been called a racist, since LAST JUNE...what good has it done to his support?
Rex is right, ya wanna beat Trump? Da stock "racist, sexist, bigot" playbook aint gonna fly...ya gonna go down on flames.
folks wants JOBS!
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Does your phone autocorrect "the" to "da"? You never slip up
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Cant hide behind a "vast right wing conspiracy" once da media no longer hides one side of da issue. Lets face it, da Clintons got a free ride on da press/media...Trump's media savvy negates that, and Hillary's arrogance towards it is to be done at her peril.
James Carville gonna be rolled out in a wheelchair defending her on all da shows
And that FBI investigation will be drilled on, Bernie gave her a pass.
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The media has been more negative on Trillary than any candidate in this election cycle, Trump included.
But free pass b.
But free pass b.
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And why do you believe they'll get that with Trump?
On the issue of campaign financing, he's already flip-flopping. His own track record doesn't show much concern for workers (especially the expensive, American kind).
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Trump isnt trying to put em outta business like Hillary told da coal miners...
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Hillary bought & paid for by wealthy climate advocates who want fracking, natural gas, coal, GONE in da US..de hell with who it puts putta business.
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You haven't learned anything have you
You're conflating your liberal ideology with da platform of da democratic party.
In 2008 Obama got to da white house because da majority of those poor white males that you castigate voted him in.
By writing off da concerns and needs of these working class whites as simply bitter angry racists instead of GENUINELY looking at how da Democratic party as abandoned them, you're never gonna address da problem because you can't take off da racial lense.
This consensus Its in every article
Da more you castigate these people, da TIGHTER they cling to Trump.
Trump been called a racist, since LAST JUNE...what good has it done to his support?
Rex is right, ya wanna beat Trump? Da stock "racist, sexist, bigot" playbook aint gonna fly...ya gonna go down on flames.
folks wants JOBS!
You cherry pick one sentence, put your own context on it, just to ramble off some irrelevant nonsense because you feeling yourself now you boy Trump got the nomination.
I'm saying that in poor Southern states, states where the poor white vote can dictate their state level economic policy, those people haven't turned to progressive demand side ideologies in force. They stick with consveratives and suffer, because they put social issues over economic.
When inside vote in consverative state officials because of their desire to practice white supremacy over social democracy. And the South was much more welcoming on demand side policies when they could deny black equal access. But the Civil Rights act changed that, and consverativism, took root.
And how the hell I'm I writing them off when in my last sentence even says I want to see these people helped.
It is like you never read the stuff you link or quote. You just find a line that gives you the green light to run your mouth. Jeez
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What you neglect to mention is that those sources of power are becoming obsolete, especially when you consider that:
- carbon-based energy sources are very inefficient, and we currently have access to less wasteful sources of power.
- storage technology (the biggest solution to the issue of unpredictability of renewables) is becoming cheaper and more accessible, thanks to companies like Tesla (which is why he can offer an electric vehicle for 30k and electricity storage solutions for residential buildings)
- the combination of storage technology and renewables give people the possibility of controlling their energy costs, not rely so mich on the grid, and to make money off of it if they are connected to it.
Now, if I recall correctly, weren't you in the minimum wage thread talking about how McD employees should just be replaced by touchscreens? And now you're crying about miners who are succumbing to the advances of technology and research?
What's good for the goose....
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Da proof is in da pudding B
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...i-got-inside-hillary-clinton-s-server-n568206
Hacked into several servers.
Hacked into several servers.
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If only this was actually the case
. Not the the negativity,just challenging her moreNegativity against her is coming from just about exclusively Fox
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They're toying with his emotions!Got ninjahood constantly hopefully playing what if she gets arrested for her e-mail crimes
The whole jobs mentality is backwards to me.
In an optimized economy, we shed useless jobs and constantly look to the future. This will maximize GDP and wealth. Of course, under such a strategy, economic change will cause certain jobs to no longer be needed. So it makes sense then to couple aggressive economic growth with a certain level of protections, i.e. good unemployment benefits or training for new jobs or universal health care.
But then somehow many of you parrot the idea that you want to maximize economic growth and wealth for everyone, but at the same time a) you don't want any sort of welfare, b) you don't want universal health care, and c) you don't want to get rid of useless jobs.
As an aside, I feel fracking is evil and needs to be stopped. At least until we have a better idea of the consequences. Those jobs be damned. The economic and social costs of these earthquakes will eclipse any sort of short-term economic fall-out from banning fracking.
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Surprise, surprise
Drumpf is going to take the establishment's help to raise money. LINK
Wasn't he telling us for months he was special because he was self funding, therefore not answering to the establishment
Drumpf is going to take the establishment's help to raise money. LINK
Wasn't he telling us for months he was special because he was self funding, therefore not answering to the establishment
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Surprise, surprise
Drumpf is going to take the establishment's help to raise money. LINK
Wasn't he telling us for months he was special because he was self funding, therefore not answering to the establishment
Bernie, the only candidate of their word.
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His supporters will find a way to dismiss the blatant flip flipping.
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b-b-but he can't be bought!
b-b-but he speaks for himself and tells it like it is!!
LMAO @ anyone out there that really believed the nonsense this clown spewed on his way to the nomination. This is just the first reversal of many. Trust.
b-b-but he speaks for himself and tells it like it is!!
LMAO @ anyone out there that really believed the nonsense this clown spewed on his way to the nomination. This is just the first reversal of many. Trust.
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