***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[deleted]

Trump up there with Palin in regards to intelligence and knowledge so what do you expect?

Palin is way smarter than the bigot

 

[wubalubadubdub]

Trumo is despicable but that type of stuff is gonna haooen when you are tired and doing this so long. Such as obama saying he visited 57 states.

I thought trump had a very good chance to win becausr i figured he would pivot to the general. He's out of his ******* mind. Been saying even more wild ****. Bat **** crazy and wrong. Maybe he doesn't want to win lol

 

[rolaholic]

Part of me thinks he's pulling the greatest con/troll of all time and may legit just be a plant

The fact that he's not toning down the rhetoric at all heading into the general is baffling from a strategic standpoint. He's been doubling down on most of what he's said

 

[gry60]

Wow did you guys hear about the labour party woman who was slaughtered in the street?

I hate the labour party from what i know but WOW

Supposedly he was screaming "britain first" but not verified.

It looks like she was pro-refugee, pro-EU (from the little I can see about her in some news articles).

 

[RustyShackleford]

I don't think that he is. For months we have been giving Trump the benefit of the doubt that he would tone it down, or move to the center, or act presidential.

And for months we have stood back in shock at how he pilea o. ignorance and bigotry, on top of ignorance and bigotry.

At best his primary win has deluded him into thinking this is the path to the White House.

But to be honest, it could be as simple as my professor who is 70 said it. Trump is an old man, and it really hard for old men to change their ways, so don't expect anything new from him

 

[wubalubadubdub]

It's more than doubling down it's even crazier. Like when he finally realized the orlando shooter wasn't an immigrant he started talking about his father instead.

The mexican judge thing is insane.

Saying he will go at it alone. Muslim ban is insane and even if you wanted it morally... it's impossible. Just all tyoes of ****

 

[RustyShackleford]

Wow did you guys hear about the labour party woman who was slaughtered in the street?

I hate the labour party from what i know but WOW

Supposedly he was screaming "britain first" but not verified.

It looks like she was pro-refugee, pro-EU (from the little I can see about her in some news articles).

If he really did yell that. I hope Cameron has the balls to call it what it is, white nationalist terrorism. And demand that white people all over the UK condemn these attack.

 

[Master Zik]

To me it shows how gullible some of the american people are

Donald loves the uneducated.

 

[RustyShackleford]

It's more than doubling down it's even crazier. Like when he finally realized the orlando shooter wasn't an immigrant he started talking about his father instead.

The mexican judge thing is insane.

Saying he will go at it alone. Muslim ban is insane and even if you wanted it morally... it's impossible. Just all tyoes of ****

Brah, he been saying undoable shut from the jump. He was just less offensive (relatively) so folk weren't realizing how crazy he was. Or thinking he was just using it to rally the GOP base

Famb nuttier that Buck Strickland after Ms Liz hits him wit divorce papers

-Words is that Christie is his man slave. Fetching McDonald's orders and ****. Donald turned Chris into his very own Reek.

 

[gry60]

Part of me thinks he's pulling the greatest con/troll of all time and may legit just be a plant

The fact that he's not toning down the rhetoric at all heading into the general is baffling from a strategic standpoint. He's been doubling down on most of what he's said

It doesn't surprise me that much. He exhibits all the characteristics of a demagogue, dictator, tyrant, etc.... It's not without reason that Trevor Noah called him the first African president of the US. He knows.

 

[wubalubadubdub]

Got-dang it miz Liz! Leggo my eggos!

 

[Belgium]

I take it some of you also received an email from the white house with a message from Joe Biden? Those of you who signed the petition on assault rifles. Seems like they're really trying to push this ban on assault weapons this time.

 
Today, Vice President Joe Biden sent this message to people who, in the wake of the tragic attack in Orlando, signed a We the People petition calling on the government to ban AR-15-type assault weapons from civilian ownership. As he says below, "The President and I agree with you. Assault weapons and high-capacity magazines should be banned from civilian ownership."

If you agree, sign up to join the conversation on the assault weapons ban.

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Over the past few years, we've watched as new horrific shootings have replaced previous ones as the deadliest in our nation's history.

We've waged campaign after campaign to turn our grief into action — each time thinking maybe, just maybe, this will be the one that breaks through. This will be the one that gets through to Congress, which must ultimately act. We've used phrases like Now is the Time. Stop Gun Violence. Enough is Enough.

Folks, enough has been enough for a long time.

You know that. On Monday, in the wake of this latest, deadliest, mass shooting, you started this petition. You worked together, calling on your government to ban AR-15-type weapons from civilian ownership. In the days following, we have seen members of the United States Senate take and hold the floor, refusing to back down, refusing to concede that we might need to wait for an even bigger national tragedy to finally make some changes.

To the creator and signers of this petition, I want to say this as plainly and clearly as possible: The President and I agree with you. Assault weapons and high-capacity magazines should be banned from civilian ownership.

When a lone gunman walked into a Century movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, he carried a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 -- a variation of the AR-15 rifle -- modified to hold as many as 100 bullets. He used it to kill 12 people and injure 70.

And when a lone gunman walked into a classroom at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, he carried a version of the AR-15. He used it -- and several handguns -- to kill 10 of his fellow students and injure nine.

And when a lone gunman walked into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, he carried a Bushmaster XM 15 -- another version of the AR-15 -- and multiple high-capacity magazines. He used it to kill 20 innocent children and six educators with 154 bullets in five minutes.

A single person killed that many people in just a few minutes. Not in a war zone. Here in America -- in a classroom.

These weapons have been used to commit horrific acts. They've been called "the perfect killing machines." They fire bullets at incredible speed that rip through bodies and cause devastating carnage, and can accommodate high-capacity magazines that allow them to effectively shoot up to 45 rounds per minute. We've seen their tragic results play out in our death tolls and in the thousands left wounded, struggling to recover.

As we learned this week from the family of the gun’s inventor, he himself did not intend that this gun be used by civilians, only by our soldiers in combat -- giving them an advantage over the AK-47. He didn’t own one himself. Here is what his family said:

"We think he would have been horrified and sickened as anyone, if not more, by these events."

Right now, these weapons are on the shelves in gun shops around the country, completely legal for civilians to purchase. They can be purchased in a matter of mere minutes. That should not be so.

Here's a start: We should renew the assault weapons ban that Congress passed in 1994 — but which expired ten years later. That ban, which covered 19 specific assault-style weapons, was included in a comprehensive crime bill that folded together three pieces of legislation. I remember it well. I was Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at the time. I wrote much of the bill and led it through Congress — with the help of many others, especially Senator Feinstein on the assault weapons ban. I argued strongly in favor of banning these weapons. What's more, 46 House Republicans voted for that ban in 1994. Forty-six.

So what happened to that bill? To use a somewhat wonkish legislative term, it was "sunsetted." That means that this bill came with an expiration date: Ten years after its passage, it would need to be renewed. Under President Bush and a Republican Congress, the bill lapsed. And it hasn't been renewed since.

But renewing the ban on assault weapons isn’t the only thing Congress should do to help prevent the tragedy of gun violence around the country.

It could require that every buyer go through a background check before getting a gun -- to make sure dangerous weapons don’t end up in the hands of criminals or other people who have long been prohibited from possessing them. It could prevent people who are suspected of having terrorist ties and can’t get on a plane from buying weapons of war -- that’s just common sense. It could ensure that domestic abusers can’t go to the store to buy a gun -- filling the kinds of gaps in the law that leave too many innocent victims dead. It could end the freeze on gun violence research, so our public health experts can collect data and facts that would inform strategies to deal with this epidemic. And it could give law enforcement officials the tools and resources the President requested in his budget proposal -- so they can take dangerous criminals off the street and enforce our gun laws. Our Administration has done what it can. So have many cities, counties, and states.

Now it’s up to Congress to do its job.

They'll have a good opportunity this Monday, when the Senate is set to vote on a number of different gun safety measures -- votes that came about after that 15-hour filibuster, during which a series of Democratic senators refused to cede the floor. The measures they will vote on would address the fact that anyone on a terrorist watch list can still legally purchase guns and explosives. They will address the current background check requirements for prospective gun buyers.

Ahead of those votes, we'd like to invite you to join a call on Monday at 1:00 pm ET for We the People signers with Valerie Jarrett on how we can continue to come together as citizens around this issue. Let us know you'll be joining right here — and ask any questions you've got, or issues you'd like to hear raised on the call.

I encourage you to pay attention to Monday's votes. Make yourselves aware. Use your voice. Make yourselves impossible to ignore.

Because you’re not alone in recognizing the need to act -- to take steps, consistent with the Second Amendment -- that will keep our children and communities safe. Here's who else agrees with you: The Department of Justice. Dozens of United States Senators. Faith leaders, law enforcement officials, and responsible businesses. Public health experts. And the vast majority of the American people, including the vast majority of gun owners in the country.

If taking commonsense steps to reduce gun violence had the potential to save even one life, it would be worth doing. But it has the potential to save far more than that.

You know that. And that is why you spoke up. That matters. But the fact is that we have three separate but equal branches of a government for a reason.

And so, to speak directly to those members of Congress who, in the wake of this most recent, most horrific killing of our citizens, might be considering stepping up and getting this done once and for all, I'd like to remind you that this will not stop on its own. It will not stop. In the three and a half years since Newtown, there have been at least 1,002 mass shootings in this country. At least 1,135 people killed, and 3,953 wounded. That includes 49 killed and 53 wounded in Orlando.

You know in your heart that this is the right thing to do. You know that by stepping up, your action has the potential to create a domino effect. Have the courage to do it.

We have done it before. We can do it again.

Finish this.

Joe
Vice President Joseph Biden
The White House
@VP

 

[rico x hood]

Typical liberal fear mongering. Don't like emotions trick you into giving up your rights.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Politics on both sides in this country relies heavily on leveraging fear to push forward an agenda. Been this way since the beginning of time.

 

[Belgium]

Typical liberal fear mongering. Don't like emotions trick you into giving up your rights.

If anything I find the notion that "we need guns to protect ourselves" fear mongering at its finest, at least from my point of view.
How are you supposed to feel safe if you're constantly being told you need guns to protect yourself and your family?

 

[ninjahood]

Typical liberal fear mongering. Don't like emotions trick you into giving up your rights.

it will fail like it always does...you think yeezy fans go hard? try meeting a gun rights fan.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Oh, ok

So now we're just gonna act like conservatives were not calling for banning Muslims from coming into America, and that we should be monitoring their neighborhoods.

I see, I see

 

[ninjahood]

Oh, ok

So now we're just gonna act like conservatives were not calling for banning Muslims from coming into America, and that we should be monitoring their neighborhoods.

I see, I see

Obama did da same thing with Iraq..Jimmy Carter did da same thing to da Persians.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Oh, ok

So now we're just gonna act like conservatives were not calling for banning Muslims from coming into America, and that we should be monitoring their neighborhoods.

I see, I see

Obama did da same thing with Iraq..Jimmy Carter did da same thing to da Persians.

The state department stopped processing refugees because it was found on that the program had holes in it, and terrorist where able to enter through it. It was not out of hate or fear of Iraqis, or Muslims, in general.

An American who happens to be Muslims guns people down, and conservative lead by your man Trump, wants to stop all Muslims from entering the country and monitor their neighborhoods.

I guess the logical fallacy for the day is a false equivalency.

 

[ninjahood]

you're da one creating da logical fallacy thou

all i said is there's precedent for said policy, and your extrapolating it to something else.

 

[RustyShackleford]

you're da one creating da logical fallacy thou

all i said is there's precedent for said policy, and your extrapolating it to something else.

And I'm pointing out that there isn't.

Suspending a refugee program because you found error in the screening =/= banning Muslims from entering the country.

 

[rolaholic]

@mattkatz00:
Trump VP List as of now, sources tell @politico:
1)Chris Christie
2)Newt Gingrich
3)Jeff Sessions
4)Mary Fallin

 

[RustyShackleford]

@mattkatz00:
Trump VP List as of now, sources tell @politico:
1)Chris Christie
2)Newt Gingrich
3)Jeff Sessions
4)Mary Fallin

Christie is the best choice, and he is still trash

But how Donald gonna call Clinton "Crooked Hillary" when Crispy Chris is his running mate

-The other choices, I'm speechless

 

[Nike Jordan]

That's the fake list. Everyone knows his running mate is going to be Omarosa.

 

[...So]

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