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Here's the original WaPo report mentioned on the previous page. The remarks were amongst other communications where the WH limited access to an very small number of people. The reported remarks came during the same meeting where Trump disclosed highly classified Israeli intelligence to Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov and Ambassador Kislyak. He also referred to Comey as a "nutjob" and told them that Comey's firing meant that a great deal of pressure had now been lifted.
There is reportedly a WH memorandum describing Trump's remarks about not being concerned about Russian interference.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-told-russian-officials-in-2017-he-wasnt-concerned-about-moscows-interference-in-us-election/2019/09/27/b20a8bc8-e159-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_trumplavrov-835pm:homepage/story-ans
There is reportedly a WH memorandum describing Trump's remarks about not being concerned about Russian interference.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-told-russian-officials-in-2017-he-wasnt-concerned-about-moscows-interference-in-us-election/2019/09/27/b20a8bc8-e159-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_trumplavrov-835pm:homepage/story-ans
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A week or two ago,
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and me were trying to see what timeline made the most sense with respect to Coats and Gordon getting fired.
It now seems plausible that Trump had Sue Gordon fired directly as a result of the whistleblower complaint. As a reminder: "on August 8, 2019 Trump announced Gordon was resigning and appointed the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center Joseph Maguire as acting DNI" (source: wikipedia).
For reference, some other tweets about the timeline:
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and me were trying to see what timeline made the most sense with respect to Coats and Gordon getting fired.It now seems plausible that Trump had Sue Gordon fired directly as a result of the whistleblower complaint. As a reminder: "on August 8, 2019 Trump announced Gordon was resigning and appointed the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center Joseph Maguire as acting DNI" (source: wikipedia).
For reference, some other tweets about the timeline:
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Allegedly allegedly allegedly
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A week or two ago,
It now seems plausible that Trump had Sue Gordon fired directly as a result of the whistleblower complaint. As a reminder: "on August 8, 2019 Trump announced Gordon was resigning and appointed the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center Joseph Maguire as acting DNI" (source: wikipedia).
For reference, some other tweets about the timeline:
There were reports after Coats’ resignation that the WH was exploring if they could circumvent the law that makes the Deputy DNI the Acting DNI if the position is open. Sue Gordon resigned, allowing Trump to install Maguire.
For one reason or the other, Trump clearly did not want her as the Acting DNI. I’m not sure what to make of it at this point. Gordon has a long bipartisan track record so it certainly wouldn’t be out of the ordinary to just want a better loyalist.
Also, it is worth noting that DNI Coats also met Zelensky. This was on June 18 in Berlin, allegedly a chance encounter. The NYT reported that the July 25 call wasn’t the first time Trump asked Zelensky to investigate Biden, he reportedly did so in an April call as well.
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All of this presents an interesting legal question on whether Obummer as a former president can be impeached for acts of the current president. Did I do that right Fry, Esq?
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Wheres da handsome African in da tan suit when you need him?
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bill Clinton was impeached.
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a reminder to the soy boys:
being too dapper is NOT an impeachable offense.
being too dapper is NOT an impeachable offense.
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Regarding the Sue Gordon discussion, this report (see further below) is from August 9. Shortly after Coats’ discussion with Gordon, she hands in her resignation letter to Mike Pence.
We know that Coats met Zelensky in Berlin on June 18, allegedly a chance encounter at a hotel, and Coats resigned just 3 days after the July 25 Zelensky call.
Again, I’m still not sure what to make of it. It’s worth noting that Coats cooperated with Mueller but may have ommitted some minor details. I don’t recall the statement(s?) off the top of my head but some ODNI staffers told Mueller that they had a different recollection than Coats on whether or not something specific was said at a meeting. It wasn’t really important from what I remember, it’s in the report’s section on Trump’s discussions with Intelligence chiefs such as then-DNI Dan Coats and then-NSA Director Mike Rogers
I’m inclined to lean towards Coats not being involved/supportive of the Ukraine pressuring.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/09/politics/sue-gordon-resignation-coats-interrupts-meeting/index.html
Top intel official interrupted meeting to urge his deputy to resign
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If he is impeached but not removed, he cant run again right?
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What I am talking about is deeper than racism and white supremacy. There is a crisis of knowledge and objectivity in the US. We have a very large number of Americans of all races who have fallen for the myth that there is no truth, there is no reality, and it is OK to construct one's own bubble of existence and live within it.
Americans have put their beliefs above evidence and facts. can no longer agree on basic facts like the shape of the Earth. They use a GPS every day, but they challenge the existence of the solar system, space, and all the theoretical and applied knowledge that makes the use of that GPS possible. The same goes for politics: the Ukraine story is a slam dunk, but they refuse to accept it because being misled by one's beliefs is a possibility they honestly can't live with.
This is learned behavior, and what's learned can be unlearned. However, it will be very difficult to address this crisis without acknowledging how we got here. This country's got to reconsider the ideologies that led us to willingly choose a crook to lead us. Trump is a representation of the worst in America, and very often, our worst characteristics are what define us.
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Maher on Hunter Biden's Ukraine ties: 'If Don Jr. did it, it would be all Rachel Maddow was talking about'
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Maher on Hunter Biden’s Ukraine ties: ‘If Don Jr. did it, it would be all Rachel Maddow was talking about’
HBO’s Bill Maher on Friday addressed Hunter Biden’s lucrative work with a Ukrainian gas company while arguing that MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow would be covering the story extensively if…
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I agree with your inclination. I'm not sure what to make of the Gordon firing either but I expect a lot more resignations in the coming week.
Regarding the Sue Gordon discussion, this report (see further below) is from August 9. Shortly after Coats’ discussion with Gordon, she hands in her resignation letter to Mike Pence.
We know that Coats met Zelensky in Berlin on June 18, allegedly a chance encounter at a hotel, and Coats resigned just 3 days after the July 25 Zelensky call.
Again, I’m still not sure what to make of it. It’s worth noting that Coats cooperated with Mueller but may have ommitted some minor details. I don’t recall the statement(s?) off the top of my head but some ODNI staffers told Mueller that they had a different recollection than Coats on whether or not something specific was said at a meeting. It wasn’t really important from what I remember, it’s in the report’s section on Trump’s discussions with Intelligence chiefs such as then-DNI Dan Coats and then-NSA Director Mike Rogers
I’m inclined to lean towards Coats not being involved/supportive of the Ukraine pressuring.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/09/politics/sue-gordon-resignation-coats-interrupts-meeting/index.html
Top intel official interrupted meeting to urge his deputy to resign
It's a good time to be a lawyer in DC.
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It's kind of ironic. Maybe I'm being overly nostalgic, but I feel like in the old days everyone had some idea of how some technology worked. The parts of a car, how electricity got to their home, radio signals, etc. Sure, not the math or other technical details, but a general understanding.
Now with more technology, people understand less of it, or none at all.
Ultimately it ties in to this general distrust you are talking about, but at its core it is laziness. And it is tribalism. A lack of critical thinking, and an inability to judge information and sources and data and put it together.
Maybe some day Americans will wake up and realize that Trump is the greatest president ever but, until then, only the coal few will know the truth.
