***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[jape]

 
Her opponent Donald Trump has yet to release any tax returns, a fact she brings up regularly.

Trump says he's not releasing them because he's under audit and said he would when the audit is complete. In fact, there is nothing preventing him from doing so during an audit.

By not releasing them during the campaign, he is breaking with a 40-year bipartisan tradition of transparency  expected of presidential nominees.

The fact that he won't release his taxes has raised questions about the actual size of his fortune and some of his businesses connections.

And it's also led to his critics alleging he pays very little in income taxes. Without seeing his returns it's impossible to say.

 

[rillo561]

The NAMBLA donations might show up too, many people are saying it.

 

[Master Zik]

What's funny is supporters of this clown Donald, even the mental gymnastic champions like ninja can't keep up with his bull ****.

So one sec thwyre seriously defending these claims and then realize they just wasted all of that bull **** and look foolish cuz Donald decides something he said is sarcasm.

This wreaks of desperation. Who the **** comes up with a sarcasm strategy in their speeches at this stage in the game?

So what I'm hearing that you're upset abouyou a candidate evolving on an issue?

The issue of Obama and Clinton founding ISIS? That's the issue he evolved on? Claiming your statements were sarcasm is evolution now?

Go sit down if you not paying attention Rico.

You sound uneducated.

 

[rico x hood]

Candidates don't evolve on issues? If you want to hold Trump to such a high standard it's only fair you hold Hillary and Obama under the same microscope when it comes to their "evolutions".

 

[MVP]

Actually evolving and flip flopping are two different things. You can't tell the difference obviously and are one of those that believe everything that comes out of his mouth except for the outlandish and degradation stuff which is like 90%.

 

[rillo561]

O please the right always calls anyone who "evolves" on an issue a flip flopper. Now all of sudden we're suppose to believe Trump can evolve, and not "tell it like it is"

 

[wavycrocket]

Candidates don't evolve on issues? If you want to hold Trump to such a high standard it's only fair you hold Hillary and Obama under the same microscope when it comes to their "evolutions".

Evolve on issues?

Just the other day, you defended him doubling down on saying Obama is the founder of ISIS. His man even gave him a chance to calirfy....and he explicitly repeated what he meant.

Now it's "sarcasm" and "evolving on issues"? I thought trump was a straight shooter and "tells it like it is" .

So have you "evolved" on the "issue" that Obama is the founder of Isis as well? Cuz you were sure as hell defending it the other day.

 

[wavycrocket]

Idek if Trump knows what "Sarcasm" even means

 

[jape]

sarcasm bro

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Says something.

Doubles down.

Defended by backers who "know what he meant".

"Never mind that was sarcasm" - Trump

Backers - "yeah obviously he didn't really mean that"


I'm so happy to be alive and able to watch this circus unfolding over these months with you all.

The GOP has become an outright parody of itself, Dems corrupt as ever, other parties basically nonexistent, American national politics has essentially turned into a reality TV show.

One plus that I have seen is that Democrats and Republicans will now actually work together if they have a common goal to protect their own interests. That's kinda good

 

[wavycrocket]

sarcasm bro

"It's Da Sarcasm B. Believe me"

This stupid boy trump could've said Hyperbole or something. I thought he "had the best words"

 

[Kimchi Papi]

More than 3 months after effectively clinching the republican nomination & trump still has not settled on a strategy to meet the demands for reeling in the broader electorate.

Instead of toning it down & concentrating on the issues, he's pouring gas over himself & the campaign & putting a match to it by making outrageous comments like Obama & Hilary being the founders of ISIS.

The republican base is not strong or united & trump hasn't done anything substantial to repair that either. He's getting media exposure & headlines that's for sure but it's not going to help him or the republicans win the election.

Serves the republicans right. They cut their nose off to spite their face & now they're paying for it.

I love that interview up there that wavycrocket posted. It clearly shows trump has no grasp of whats occurred in Iraq. Especially that last answer. He's unequivocally incapable of critical reasoning & thought.

His intelligence is about the equal of the average lug head nfl fan who calls the local AM political show that spews opinions not based on fact or reality.

 

[Belgium]

Trump's formula has been working. The pundits and insiders were not able to predict that Trump would get this far. You don't even live here but you think you can predict the outcome. Right. At the end of the day, Trump has certainly evolved as a candidate but I expect classic Trump zingers with some more specific policy proposals thrown in. He will demolish Clinton. You probably don't know this but before debates candidates have debate prep, usually with stand insurance that act like the opponent. With Trump being so unpredictable, prep is going to be very hard for Shillary. Believe me.

Pretty sure I said the formula worked great in the primaries, but it remains to be seen if it will be as effective in the general. The past 2 weeks haven't been so good for da Donald and he has said he sees no reason to alter his strategy in any way.

Never said I can accurately predict the outcome, that's your conjecture. A prediction is no more than a prediction.

Of course I know about debate prep 

 Who would actually believe these candidates go on the debate stage without thorough preparation? Same principle as mock trials for lawyers.

Trump is a wildcard, but one thing Hillary can be sure of is that he'll hammer her on the emails, benghazi, ...

 

[harlemtothebronx]

The mental gymnastics, man. I'm in awe.

 

[Betonblck]

Hillary can testify for an entire day before Congress on Benghazi and make it look easy but yall Trump supporters think Trump will dominate her in a debate?

Good luck

 

[wavycrocket]

Debates are going to be pure comedy.

This is real life VEEP man

 

[rico x hood]

Evolve on issues?

Just the other day, you defended him doubling down on saying Obama is the founder of ISIS. His man even gave him a chance to calirfy....and he explicitly repeated what he meant.

Now it's "sarcasm" and "evolving on issues"? I thought trump was a straight shooter and "tells it like it is" .

So have you "evolved" on the "issue" that Obama is the founder of Isis as well? Cuz you were sure as hell defending it the other day.

At the end of the day candidates evolve on issues for two reasons: 1. They truly think differently or 2. Political expediency (Obama on gay marriage, Hillary's whole career) we don't know what caused Trump's evolution but it happened and nowe that's what it is.

And I never said Obama was a founder, I said his inaction in the middle east and just his poor foreign policy in general directly lead to the rise of ISIS (JV squad).

 

[frshstunna]

Trump ain't evolve on **** tho ...did you just learn that word or something

Tell your mans trump to stick by his words , that's the reason y'all like him in the 1st place right ? ...he says what he means n tells it like it is ,no evolving

 

[MVP]

Drumpf's "evolution" is likely not related to either two of those reasons you mentioned. It's far more likely that the constant backlash he's received throughout this campaign and has been intensified given his recent gaffs from both sides, is being reflected in the polling as well as "his own party" distancing themselves more and more and threatening to cut off funds. I'd say a cumulative effect would lead him to all of a sudden have an change of heart on several things he's been staunch on from the get go and has double and tripled down in specific instances. This seems far more likely to be the act of a desperate man that clearly never thinks of the consequences of what he says beforehand while simultaneously trying to deny he said them in the first place and has his cronies always trying to clarify. Time is almost up for him, that 1st debate is where this sideshow finally has it's last act. 

 

[wavycrocket]

At the end of the day candidates evolve on issues for two reasons: 1. They truly think differently or 2. Political expediency (Obama on gay marriage, Hillary's whole career) we don't know what caused Trump's evolution but it happened and nowe that's what it is.

And I never said Obama was a founder, I said his inaction in the middle east and just his poor foreign policy in general directly lead to the rise of ISIS (JV squad).

You and ninja can't say y'all were wrong.

I've noticed two things you guys ALWAYS say when proved to be wrong or hypocritical.....

"at the end of the day". I guess that is your, "I was wrong" .

You said "it wasn't a stretch"....trump came back and called it "sarcasm".....either you buy what trump initially said, or you completely don't think it was even a "stretch" that Obama was the founder of Isis.

You know what sarcasm is? When I'm clearly pissed off and angry...and I look someone dead in the face and tell them "I'm delightful".

So where do you stand? Cuz your man trump completely backtracked. You should too.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Inaction & poor judgement by Obama led to rise in isis?!?!



Let's step back a bit more... W started this war on a lie... That war bankrupt our country & destabilized the region rattling a whole bunch of hornet nests... All the while the carlyle group & haliburton (KBR) making billions in profits by getting no bid contracts.

W & tricky dickey also saw that their pals (& HW's) in Kuwait (Agility Logistics & Kuwait Petroleum Corp) got fed to.

Edit - There is no way a Kuwaiti company should've ever got a the contracts they did over an American company. Never, ever, ever...

 

[rico x hood]

Drumpf's "evolution" is likely not related to either two of those reasons you mentioned. It's far more likely that the constant backlash he's received throughout this campaign and has been intensified given his recent gaffs from both sides, is being reflected in the polling as well as "his own party" distancing themselves more and more and threatening to cut off funds. I'd say a cumulative effect would lead him to all of a sudden have an change of heart on several things he's been staunch on from the get go and has double and tripled down in specific instances. This seems far more likely to be the act of a desperate man that clearly never thinks of the consequences of what he says beforehand while simultaneously trying to deny he said them in the first place and has his cronies always trying to clarify. Time is almost up for him, that 1st debate is where this sideshow finally has it's last act. 

So I'll just act like your whole paragraph wasn't just a long definition of "political expediency".

You and ninja can't say y'all were wrong.

I've noticed two things you guys ALWAYS say when proved to be wrong or hypocritical.....

"at the end of the day". I guess that is your, "I was wrong" .

You said "it wasn't a stretch"....trump came back and called it "sarcasm".....either you buy what trump initially said, or you completely don't think it was even a "stretch" that Obama was the founder of Isis.

You know what sarcasm is? When I'm clearly pissed off and angry...and I look someone dead in the face and tell them "I'm delightful".

So where do you stand? Cuz your man trump completely backtracked. You should too.

I don't have to agree with everything a candidate says. He wants to call it sarcasm, fine by me. We don't know if he was being pragmatic or truly feelsorry different, the info isn't there. But it most certainly is not a stretch that Obama directly lead to the rise of ISIS. That's just facts.

 

[Armada]

I find it funny Trump doesn't understand the difference between sarcasm and hyperbole.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I missed Simone Biles floor routine the other night, but reading the Trump defenders' post is the next best thing.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Is it really that hard for some people to concede?