***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[IATT]

The Woodward tape brings up an interesting argument. What are you guys' thoughts on sitting on the recording for months for his book instead of disclosing it in the Washington Post earlier? There seems to be a lot of debate on Woodward's actions.

Personally I don't really object to it, though I can understand the opposing argument. Woodward's last interview with Trump took place on June 21 if I recall correctly so disclosing the tape earlier would've prevented further information gathering. The information is out now and closer to the election, where it will stay in people's minds for longer. At the end of the day, the tape simply confirms what anyone with a functioning brain should've figured out immediately when Trump told his lies at the time.

people died, he had a responsibility to his fellow man

especially when he saw the actions of trump and co

i saw something absurd like trump had multiple rallies within days

so he’s well aware of how dangerous stuff is.. while fear mongering about other shh.. while people aren’t taking something seriously that people are dying from in the 100s of thousands, with zero full understanding of the long term affects of just catching it and impact it will have on the rest of their lives

 

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[reformeDWS]

The Woodward tape brings up an interesting argument. What are you guys' thoughts on sitting on the recording for months for his book instead of disclosing it in the Washington Post earlier? There seems to be a lot of debate on Woodward's actions.

Personally I don't really object to it, though I can understand the opposing argument. Woodward's last interview with Trump took place on June 21 if I recall correctly so disclosing the tape earlier would've prevented further information gathering. The information is out now and closer to the election, where it will stay in people's minds for longer. At the end of the day, the tape simply confirms what anyone with a functioning brain should've figured out immediately when Trump told his lies at the time.

morally, he's just as in the wrong. he had vital information and chose to sit on it for personal gain. the popularity and intake of the information would be much higher now after the fact and close to an election. this would have got lost in the shuffle in march.

with that said, republicans want us discussing woodward not disclosing this sooner to push this narrative that other people knew and should have said something, but chose not to, the president was just trying to calm the people, etc etc. they're even asking why lindsey graham set trump up for 1 interview, dismissing that he did 17 more.

it's like what delk does in here. you ask about trump, he answers about biden. the simple question is "if trump knew, why didn't he tell us" and their answers bring up graham, woodward, pelosi, cnn, obama, biden, harris, etc etc etc all before even addressing trump. it's never his fault.

 

[IATT]

To me, while I appreciate the information is coming out prior to the election

it‘s still F all these people just holding onto this information for personal gain

you know damn well this man aint cut out for this job and should be in a jail cell.. and you know damn well how terrible these people are involved with this thing

people literally BEEN dying over BS and now this shhh is just blatantly in everyone’s faces.. or should be

 

[Belgium]

One of Giuliani's buddies in Ukraine...
Trump's own administration is now explicitly stating that Derkach is a Russian agent and that he is engaged in an influence campaign to interfere with the election. Giuliani, and by extension Trump himself, assisted Derkach in that effort.


https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm1118

 

[RustyShackleford]

I still expect the GOP to try to spring a October surprise on Biden to try to swing the election at the last minute.

So I really don't care if all this bad news is breaking right now.

It doesn't really seem to matter anyway. So many people have gotten used to Trump's scumbaggery, it doesn't seem to matter.

 

[Barbados Slim]

The "Stop The Biden Mob" Trump ad that plays on Hulu with riot footage, Harris laughing, and Biden kneeling is the creepiest low budget ad I've ever seen.

 

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[whywesteppin]

Like I satirized in the previous page, I don't know what Woodward's public health role was. We already knew the virus was bad from January through March and public health experts were being ignored and right wing trolls and useful idiots were putting out disinformation saying the virus wasn't that bad. The information was out there. Should Woodward have warned us that the right wing trolls were actually not real scientists and their whole "covid is a democratic hoax", "this isn't that deadly", "hcq is the cure", "the lockdown is only to hurt Trump's economy", "I can't breathe with a mask on", "fauci is a fraud" was just propaganda meant to muddy the waters? I put this in the same league as liberals getting flabbergasted over Hillary's emails or Kamala's husband. I just don't get it. The problem here is that we somehow needed a journalist to tell us that maybe the dumb **** reality TV star didn't have our best interests at heart when he had his circus press conferences saying covid would disappear, and all the while career experts are telling us the truth but we're like "I don't know who to believe!!!"

 

[whywesteppin]

Also the Red Dawn emails were published by NYT on April 11. So we had proof by then that Trump administration knew exactly how bad this was. The only timeframe Woodward could've had an impact is probably in mid-February, right after that interview. I could see an impact then. But between March until now, I don't think it would've mattered.

edit: the other point is that we had the info from the Red Dawn emails in April but it took us until August (after Texas and Florida got hit hard) for the country to start taking this seriously.

 

[IATT]

I still expect the GOP to try to spring a October surprise on Biden to try to swing the election at the last minute.

So I really don't care if all this bad news is breaking right now.

It doesn't really seem to matter anyway. So many people have gotten used to Trump's scumbaggery, it doesn't seem to matter.

and shhh is just amazing with what sticks to pretty much anyone else but very much so to Democrats

I mean we ain’t that far removed from Kerry getting ‘swift boated’ or going back to Dukakis in the 80s.. meanwhile you got ole bone spurs doing and talking shh about the military on the regular

 

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[KHUFU]

Never trust a junkie, for anything, not even for telling you the time of day. If he is a junkie that suddenly finds jesus? He’s even more dangerous, then perfect fodder for the right wing. dwalk31 , what did you think of that article?

 

[dacomeup]

Even for Trump’s standards his dog whistling has been at level 10 lately. Some people still can’t tell if he’s racist or not, though.

 

[RustyShackleford]

and shhh is just amazing with what sticks to pretty much anyone else but very much so to Democrats

I mean we ain’t that far removed from Kerry getting ‘swift boated’ or going back to Dukakis in the 80s.. meanwhile you got ole bone spurs doing and talking shh about the military on the regular

The media are complicit. The need to horse race every damn thing. They buy into all the GOP's talking points and fail to adequately report stories

Nate Silver had a good point about Trump's rhetoric about a Biden Presidency leading to violence. Very few outlets framed it as Trump being a hypocrite and actually the one inciting violence.

And to the fact conservative own so much of local media stations. As soon as the big anti-Biden story hits, people are gonna get spammed with it.

 

[aepps20]

I still expect the GOP to try to spring a October surprise on Biden to try to swing the election at the last minute.

So I really don't care if all this bad news is breaking right now.

It doesn't really seem to matter anyway. So many people have gotten used to Trump's scumbaggery, it doesn't seem to matter.

BECAUSE DA FIRST STEP ACT COVERS ALL.

 

[RustyShackleford]

******* disgusting

 

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[yasuke.]

 

[dacomeup]

Also, 8 out of 10 Black voters think that Trump is racist . That has to be higher than any President since... maybe Reagan or Nixon?

 

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[aepps20]

Also, 8 out of 10 Black voters think that Trump is racist . That has to be higher than any President since... maybe Reagan or Nixon?

Does that factor in da First STEP ACT. WITH BASS EMPHASIZED

 

[KHUFU]

Does that factor in da First STEP ACT. WITH BASS EMPHASIZED

Man, you are about to make me feel bad about having a deep voice. Screw you squeaky...

 

[IATT]

The media are complicit. The need to horse race every damn thing. They buy into all the GOP's talking points and fail to adequately report stories

Nate Silver had a good point about Trump's rhetoric about a Biden Presidency leading to violence. Very few outlets framed it as Trump being a hypocrite and actually the one inciting violence.

And to the fact conservative own so much of local media stations. As soon as the big anti-Biden story hits, people are gonna get spammed with it.

just amazing that they are already over this story from just this week

 

[wavycrocket]

The entire GOP are Russian agents . Wittingly too.