***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[rolaholic]

It's funny to **** on them at times but also gotta look with perspective as well.

Not fair to paint the folks in large urban centres who generally have polar opposite political leanings to the rest of the rural areas with the same brush as the folks voting against their interests.

Plenty of Blacks, Latinos, Asians and Whites in those states and other 'red' states in the south who don't mess with that MAGA bull at all. Shouldn't punish them for being surrounded by myriads of trash IMO

 

[blastercombo]

Lost in all of this is how Trump is eventually going to launch a network where he'll allow folks to spew that conspiracy crap and become richer. America cold.

With what money?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

wsup with you man

democrats piss me off man.

they love to lose and I hate and can't respect it.

yes american is a racist country with racist institutions.



BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO WIN.


To me, Democrats are trying to let themselves off the hook with this racism talk.

it just seems to me tanking with texas and florida latino's is a strange time to start talking about racism.

 

[noshoegame]

The wild thing about this is that if Biden pulls it off, it will be because black voters save him.

Regardless of race if Biden wins it will be because all of the residents of the major cities in this country have all finally spoken. Yes I know most of the black population resides in these areas, but it will be a collective effort by everyone who lives in the cities and suburbs who finally all decided to get out and vote.

 

[MVP]

It's funny to **** on them at times but also look at the perspective as well.

Not fair to paint the folks in large urban centres who generally have polar opposite political leanings to the rest of the rural areas with the same brush as the folks voting against their interests.

Plenty of Blacks, Latinos, Asians and Whites in those states and other 'red' states in the south who don't mess with that MAGA bull at all. Shouldn't punish them for being surrounded by trash IMO

FL been showing they asses for years, I lived there for 8 years. Forget them, no disrespect.

 

[dwalk31]

Agreed. The blue print has been laid out. However, I think getting another Trump (one who isn't a politician and has a big name and isn't afraid to say whatever he feels) will be tough. But they have 4 years to find that guy. Tucker Carlson could be the guy

It would just be Trump.

 

[mr s j king]

NA What im saying is that a trump victory doesn’t fall on democrats not reaching out to black ppl. IT falls on white ppl in America who need to have honest conversations among themselves about race, compassion, etc.

And black ppl need to stop making excuses and taking the blame for **** we have nothing to do with.

Bro these folks go to church every sunday
Then go to huge Christian conferences
Then have Christian TV shows and have Christian schools and colleges
Its in there DNA to keep Black people in a subservient position
White Americans are in a very tough position
Go against their belief system of the past 400yrs, or vote their conscience and Christian faith?
They haven't been able to break the 400yrs of brain washing. Its too much for them to deal with.

 

[casper90403]

Also, I wanna say that majority of the under 18 Americans didn't rock with Trump. So I know it's discouraging for many to see that with a massive youth vote that Biden is still narrowly ahead, but all those young kids in social media platforms ripping on Trump are not yet old enough to vote. A 14-17 year old child will be old enough to vote next election and if the turnout is about the same as this year, Democrats will be in a much better position.

My 14 year old son is fascinated with this and is seeing firsthand what his vote can mean. Being in Cali, its not as meaningful, but this was a good example of what can happen when people want change. Him and his friends were all talking about it last night while playing Fortnite. They were monitoring the results.

This really is the best case scenario for the current crop of young people who are of age and the next group that will be of age. The message to vote during this race was loud.

 

[biggie62]

It's funny to **** on them at times but also gotta look with perspective as well.

Not fair to paint the folks in large urban centres who generally have polar opposite political leanings to the rest of the rural areas with the same brush as the folks voting against their interests.

Plenty of Blacks, Latinos, Asians and Whites in those states and other 'red' states in the south who don't mess with that MAGA bull at all. Shouldn't punish them for being surrounded by myriads of trash IMO

Yea usually the areas that are truly decimated by these events are urban centers that vote blue. While I agree with the sentiment partially. We would also turn our backs on the very citizens that also align with us in those red states. They are partially what helps prevent a red monopoly there.

 

[QU!K]

This is some privileged *** **** to say

My bad, def not trying to come off that way. I'm just trying to say if it was in your ability and interest wouldn't you want to move. If it's not in your ability I totally get it. It's also difficult to uproot yourself and your family and start over somewhere new. People don't choose where they're born.

 

[freeze]

Lol

 

[rolaholic]

FL been showing they asses for years, I lived there for 8 years. Forget them, no disrespect.

I hear you but I always feel bad for those of y'all who are steady fighting the good fight on the ground and organizing against these ****heads daily getting lumped in with them

Got a whole lot of real ones in states like that who want better for the country as much as folks in blue states.

 

[getback]

It would be uncomfortable being in the minority and know at least half the state hates you, and it's unsafe for you to travel outside your city/town

There's a 100% chance half the "blue" portions of any given state hates you too.

Blue doesn't translate to some type of racial utopia

They probably just don't do incest.

 

[debso]

These fools still seeking white acceptance and sympathy. You hate to see it. They don’t know any better. Bless they hearts

Na don’t do that. I would never and will never seek out acceptance from my oppressor. I’m me and I’m comfortable with being me and couldn’t care less about someone else’s feelings about it.

Honestly my actual feelings are left of left but I can’t speak on that because I’ll end up on a list so...

 

[buddhashark]

While most people from the city don't visit rural areas, I'm sure a lot of people from rural areas visit the cities though

In red and blue states.

 

[flyeed]

democrats piss me off man.

they love to lose and I hate and can't respect it.

yes american is a racist country with racist institutions.



BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO WIN.


To me, Democrats are trying to let themselves off the hook with this racism talk.

it just seems to me tanking with texas and florida latino's is a strange time to start talking about racism.

it’s also about sexism, patriarchy, and greed (ie I don’t want to pay more to support moochers and an inept government.) these are the pillars of merica.

yes Democrats can do more, but trump couldn’t have done much more to **** up his re-election. Yet he’s gotten even greater turnout. The margins aren’t thin because dems didn’t get people to turn out, they did. This is about America not the dnc that people are voting in droves for the embodiment of the words vile and incompetent,

 

[Based Jesus]

Lol

Charge your phone

 

[casper90403]

With what money?

he'll have plenty of investors ready to contribute if needed. But I doubt it happens.

 

[50inchvert]

So basically a normal Republican?

Basically a normal politician.

Until there is a legitimate 3rd or 4th party in the mix (Likely won't happen in this lifetime) it'll be hard to trust the motives of anyone with this controlled opposition format that's in play from one election to the next. It's just too polarizing.

 

[RustyShackleford]

democrats piss me off man.

they love to lose and I hate and can't respect it.

yes american is a racist country with racist institutions.



BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO WIN.


To me, Democrats are trying to let themselves off the hook with this racism talk.

it just seems to me tanking with texas and florida latino's is a strange time to start talking about racism.

Real talk, the fact you don't live in America really shines through in this rant.

 

[rmmsballer10]

ARIZONA is not over, was called way too early.

AZ + PA = Trump Victory

 

[MVP]

democrats piss me off man.

they love to lose and I hate and can't respect it.

yes american is a racist country with racist institutions.



BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO WIN.


To me, Democrats are trying to let themselves off the hook with this racism talk.

it just seems to me tanking with texas and florida latino's is a strange time to start talking about racism.

You sit/talk from a position of privilege, it's not as simple as only racism being it. There was no doubt that it was a huge factor in 2016, maybe not as much this time but the disenfranchisement of minority voter blocks as well as need for real introspection with genuine outreach needs to be acknowledged. You seem to want to dismiss racism as not being important when at least at the presidential level/ those that align with him and his rhetoric that there's a WIDE swath of white folks that simply do not care.

 

[aepps20]

I got room in the crib in Colorado for you guys living in those other states.

 

[Upptempo]

My bad, def not trying to come off that way. I'm just trying to say if it was in your ability and interest wouldn't you want to move. If it's not in your ability I totally get it. It's also difficult to uproot yourself and your family and start over somewhere new. People don't choose where they're born.

The thing is that usually Red states have lower cost of living than Blue States and that'll forever keep populations high in states like Florida and Texas. People move from states like NY and Cali to Texas all the time because of cheaper real estate and lower taxes. For a lot of people who have big families, they'd rather live in a state filled with MAGAs and pay 70% of their prior mortgage than live in NYC with mostly liberals and pay $1000 more a month mortgage

 

[obeahmyal7]

This is purely a guess, but...

I think this election locks in Trumpism as the dominant political strategy for the GOP for the foreseeable future.

All things considered, their strategy of not running away from Trump got rewarded at the polls. They were expecting a bloodbath, but only got a cut.

This. And on the other side, the debates among the Dems are sure to be fierce. To my mind, the Dems need a strategy that operates on a few levels:

1. Symbolism: the MAGA hats, flags, and fascist regalia became something of a badge of honor. The Dems have got to create a set of symbols and slogans that do something similar (though obviously in a a more progressive, anti-racist direction). Culture matters, but only as a means to an end (the end being the mobilization of an army of people who defend democracy to the fullest extent).

2. Decency might have worked this time around. But the confrontational politics of the Sanders campaign--calling out the 'billionaire' class, the oligarchs, and the racists--must be central to all forms of base mobilization. It should be the basis on which a power analysis is mapped and made plain.

3. Accountability. As state AG's pursue charges, the much larger move is to pursue a new Nuremberg trial in which all those who joined the Trump team and participated corruption, theft, and violence over the last 4 years and on a global scale must be tried in a criminal court.

4. Infrastructure: I think Trump and the GOP really missed big time by not centering infrastructure from day one. I thought they would basically create a slush fund for corporations while also finding ways to create new public works for white labor.

The Democratic party has got to prioritize infrastructural development for three reasons. One, because it is literally felt by every American. Two, it's the backbone of a Green New Deal economy. And three, it has the potential to strengthen organized labor along anti-racist lines.

These points are not to the exclusion of, but exist in relation to addressing the problem of the Courts (through packing the courts and de-centering the final decision making authority from what is, and has been, an aristocratic branch of government).