dacomeup
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RICH.***Official Political Discussion Thread***
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RICH.
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The purpose of police is to protect and serve communities. Police no longer serve the communities or their purpose when police themselves become the agency which the community needs protection from. Police disproportionately harm minority communities. Police in minority communities are typically people who don't actually live in those communities. The results are a minority community receiving funding to pay for police that over criminalize the community and take that funding via salary to their suburban neighborhoods and enrich the suburban tax base. The suburbs are essentially siphoning funding from minority communities to the suburbs. The suburbs then use those tax dollars to continue to improve their own infrastructure while the minority community is left struggling. A better use of those resources would be to take money from the police in minority communities and apply that towards public education and healthcare in minority communities that are underfunded in those areas. Which of that is "uncompelling, incoherent, and confused"?
Also, your entire premise that more police in "high-crime" neighborhoods ignores years and years of history of minorities being disproportionately arrested, charged, and sentenced compared to white counterparts for similar crimes. Your strategy isn't doing anything besides putting more minorities in jail.
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Like I said, when you become an ol'head, you are gonna be a leather sandal-wearing menace
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Ours are based on real life first hand experience though. Living and working in the communities, unfortunately having to deal with police in some capacity. Yours are based on....polls.
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yours in particular
yah we'll solve open murder cases with "education" lol wut?
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Point is lack of education and community checks and balances is directly correlated with crime and delinquency. The idea is to trend towards ending that cycle. Not solving cold cases.
Why's that a difficult concept?
You can solve every murder and build all the prisons you want. How's that addressing the causative factors that got us in this predicament??
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I agree!
how about this, invest in communities and education AND also invest in solving crime happening now.
let's do both!
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dacomeup
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You purposely obfuscate points to try and “win”. You keep doubling back to “solving open murder cases” as being your new goal. My goal is to decrease the amount of violent crime that occurs, which is closely correlated to poverty. But yea, purposely misrepresent what I said to try and win through your eyes. Dumping a bunch of money in police departments to solve open murder cases without directly focusing on why so many exist is stupidity. Also a sign of someone who doesn’t live in the US. One of the big reason so many cases are open is that people don’t trust the police, and therefore won’t speak to them. So yea, let’s just give them MORE money that’s the issue here.
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It would be both.
Unless you're talking about people who are advocating for completely removing police. That's different than defund.
I think we'll be okay not paying the police who work details getting paid $75 an hour to play Candy Crush in their cruisers.
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no it actually doesn't.
if you want to support defund the police go ahead, i clearly can't convince you.
but feel free to read what i actually said and that evidence I provided, if you want to know my thoughts on the matter.
you are just listing various issues with the police and then claiming that police defunding is the answer. the logic doesn't follow.
the argument only makes sense if you think the police serve literally zero crime reducing and solving function, which just factually isn't true.
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Yeah let's give these dudes MORE money to "solve crimes"
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Yea cats can’t let a dude in Quebec keep getting em riled up by saying we need more police
Y’all gotta peep that yo only comes in here to criticize (mostly one party), stir the pot n be a Debbie downer...Probly fun for him cuz none of this really impacts him n he can sit back n throw out his polls n articles to get reactions
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no one is disagreeing that poverty and lack of education cause poverty.
but lower crime are second order effects of reducing poverty and improving education.
violent crime was on the rise in cities pre pandemic. amid super low un employment and rising wages in the bottom of the income distribution.
so the idea that you solve this with more investment doesn't make sense.
my goal is to improve policing and reduce crime. to do this you need both improved investment, and improved policing.
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You purposely obfuscate points to try and “win”.
I didn't say indiscriminately dump money into police departments.
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Yea cats can’t let a dude in Quebec keep getting em riled up by saying we need more police
make better arguments that aren't so easily taken apart.
im telling you your problem isn't the fact that im canadian
it's the fact that this doesn't make any sense.
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For Lowry, he’s hoping to further the conversation around inequality with respect to education, which is why he will wear “education reform” on the back of his jersey. Lowry grew up in a low-income neighbourhood and wasn’t afforded the same resources and opportunities as those in more affluent backgrounds. There are also other issues with education, such as the practice of streaming in Canada, which disproportionately disadvantaged black students.
“It starts with the youth. The type of neighbourhood I grew up in, they don’t get the same education as the kids in the suburbs and other more polished neighbourhoods. They don’t get the tax money, they don’t get the opportunity that other kids do. I think it starts there, it starts with educating the youth, having them understand what it is,” Lowry said.
Kyle Lowry: NBA protest aimed at solving problems for future generations
Kyle Lowry details why he's using his platform to support social justice causes.
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You want more accountable police? that costs money.
You want more diverse police force that lives in the neighborhood? that costs money.
many of your stated problems with the police actually cost more money not less.
You want more diverse police force that lives in the neighborhood? that costs money.
many of your stated problems with the police actually cost more money not less.
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For Lowry, he’s hoping to further the conversation around inequality with respect to education, which is why he will wear “education reform” on the back of his jersey. Lowry grew up in a low-income neighbourhood and wasn’t afforded the same resources and opportunities as those in more affluent backgrounds. There are also other issues with education, such as the practice of streaming in Canada, which disproportionately disadvantaged black students.
“It starts with the youth. The type of neighbourhood I grew up in, they don’t get the same education as the kids in the suburbs and other more polished neighbourhoods. They don’t get the tax money, they don’t get the opportunity that other kids do. I think it starts there, it starts with educating the youth, having them understand what it is,” Lowry said.
Kyle Lowry: NBA protest aimed at solving problems for future generations
Kyle Lowry details why he's using his platform to support social justice causes.www.yahoo.com
good news, I agree!
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This is how I know for sure you're a out of touch with policing down here. The Blue Lives/Thin Blue Line is a real thing. It's not just symbolic. It's about preserving the status quo and maintaining power. Most police don't even think they need reform. See how defensive they get when you talk about diverting funds or not killing people? They blame crime on criminals and not the system. And they're all brainwashed by their unions.
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How have any increases in police budgets worked out for Black people in the history of this country so far? But alas, you of course have the perfect plan for this one to work out well? How convenient.
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Cops already get more than enough bread and don’t solve murder cases, barely prevent crimes or make certain segments of the population feel “safe” ...Tf we gon give them MORE money for? ...They just don’t give a F n that can’t be fixed without a tear down and rebuild of the whole system
That’s what really doesn’t make any sense
...They just don’t give a F n that can’t be fixed without a tear down and rebuild of the whole system That’s what really doesn’t make any sense
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i wonder how many training sessions will a couple less military hum v's in the suburbs would buy 
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yah they are a big problem.
you need and aggressive democratic governor to crush the police unions.
Camden new jersey did this by disbanding the union, but they didn't drastically cut funding.
this is the problem you guys keep running into. the bad things about the police you keep listing would not be solved by cutting funding.
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vast majority of spending comes from salary and pensions.i wonder how many training sessions will a couple less military hum v's in the suburbs would buy
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Police need more money? Police officers make like 125-150k with OT after 5 years in NYC. Spare me. Most white collar professionals don’t even touch that.
