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Don't tell me you found a green mask in an otherwise sparkling Canadian alley and decided to try it on.
***Official Political Discussion Thread***
- Thread in 'General' Thread starter Started by rico x hood,
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- Nov 29, 2012
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Try to keep up, please. You argued that we need to maintain or increase funding to expand patrols, because you apparently think New York City got it right in the 90's. I'm telling you that spending more money isn't necessarily going to yield any of that.
Increased overtime pay isn't "more cops performing more patrols."
If your response to this is, "well, maybe we should stop wasting all that money on overtime," congratulations: you've graduated from "1) cut budgets 2) ????? 3) better police" and recognize that there's MASSIVE waste in the current system, the continuation of which would only be counterproductive to your goal of increasing public safety.
We need to move beyond the budgetary ransom payments of cutting blank checks to the police and military in exchange for White suburban peace of mind.
So if violence was rising at a time when police spending was reaching record levels, are you claiming that we're not spending enough?
This is not the strong linear correlation you seem to think it is.
You don't need to hold a graduate degree in social science to recognize that complex social phenomena resist univariate explanations.
You conveniently handwave away how other countries - including your own - are able to maintain lower crime rates with fewer police officers.
Do you think the US national defense budget is too high? We've been spending $10 billion per year on F-35 fighter planes. How effective have those been at fighting the coronavirus?
If anyone says, "hey, maybe we should spend less money on fighter planes and more money protecting Americans from disease, poverty, and hunger", do you think the appropriate response would be to argue, "no, we should retrofit F-35s to help with all those things. They can perform aerial supply drops to distribute face masks! Improving the F-35 program costs money!"
Policing has an outsize role in maintaining American safety - especially while police officers constitute an active threat to public safety for so many Americans.
You talk a lot about public opinion polls (while ironically ignoring the stunning unpopularity of your arguments in this thread, because what's popular isn't always right - unless it happens to be something with which you agree), yet you are completely ignoring the public's aversion to increased government spending generally.
If you think "defund the police" is unpopular, try "raise middle class taxes." If most Americans are averse to tax increases associated with Medicare for All, even when it would result in a net decrease in their healthcare spending, and oppose a Green New Deal designed to ensure the planet's continuing habitability, how realistic do you think your "more is more" notion of adding a suite of new public services would be without so much as touching the low hanging fruit of reducing spiraling police overtime pay or militarization to help offset those costs?
If anyone is being naïve here, it's you.
When used in a way that is synonymous with "Black people," I would agree with you. It's become this decade's version of "Black nihilism": a faddish form of social currency for dilettantes and poseurs to prove awareness of the season's most fashionable social justice pocket read.
In this instance, however, we're talking about the reduction of Black people to Black bodies, by a system that dehumanizes and disenfranchises Black Americans.
I used the term to reference how those patrols you're so fond of function as resource acquisition for bond and "corrections" industries.
You're propping up a corrupted system by accepting its current spending levels as valid. That's not reform.
Don't tell me you found a green mask in an otherwise sparkling Canadian alley and decided to try it on.
Really? You think spending less on something could *gasp* improve it?! Magical thinking, I say!
"It's a bizzare I thought only fiscal consertives thought "we spend less on government and it gets better" made sense."
"my point I don't see why you would shift those prison guards to more useful crime prevention and solving functions."
"my larger point is that reform costs money. Things that improve prisons cost money."
Prison rape allegations have tripled since 2011. As of 2010, roughly one in five prisoners experienced assault. "Closing prisons doesn't improve prison conditions!"
"1. Spend less
2. ????
3. better prisons."
What about paying off prison wardens to coax them into retirement? What about improving training for prison staff, expanding counseling and rehabilitation programs, and upgrading facilities to allow compliance with CDC guidelines? Assuming you're not in favor of prison labor, how are we going to offset those funding sources without tax dollars?
You're so fixated on your fasicissicle slogan that you failed to explain how this will actually produce better conditions!
Any of this still sounding sophisticated and compelling to you?
Welcome to your argument: All strawmen, no crops.
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Osh was clearly spelling it da way dudes in Da Mapleton Heightz pronounce the word.
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Da Canadia Grammar Police need increased funding.
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#BlueJobsMatter
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yah I don't agree
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I'm going to keep appealing my case on here with pages and pages of text until I've gone all the way up to the supreme court (
Methodical Management
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She's going for the paper-lifting world record. Look who's trying to catch up.
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She clearly has a paper fetish. She just loves the way it feels against her skin. It's crumpling noise is huge turn on for her.
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They're just reminding the base that they are Trump loyalists. Also, the Texas AG's suit is the most laughably absurd suit of all the suits in the past month. Another state's AG can't challenge another state's constitution. He's doing it because he's under investigation for securities fraud and is looking for a pardon.
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Honestly, reporting on this election fraud from either side is becoming asinine.
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They should quarantine that ****. Make it like HBO and let anybody who subscribes to that channel be on an FBI watchlist.
The worst thing the Biden administration can do is ignore the weaponization of information that has been made more effective by the omnipresence of the internet and cellphones.
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Trump supporters are corny
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The hilarious thing is that Trump Twitter was adamant that Cruz is the best lawyer in America, and would dazzle the Supreme Court...and then they dismissed it 9-0. SCOTUS isn't loyal to Trump. Neither are the judges appointed over the last four years. Those are lifetime gigs. Some might be dumb, but they aren't stupid.
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Money May fighting the wrong brother. Payday would be a lot higher with this douche.
edit: I get the shock value/clickbait, but calling out a 78 year old man over a non-existent boxing match challenge is ultra cringe.
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She's a ******* wizard with a copier.
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dacomeup
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Isn’t the whole reason they’re “famous” from being ultra cringe?
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The person who filed that lawsuit (Texas AG Ken Paxton) has been facing a number of indictments involving securities fraud since 2015, and recent developments in the currently ongoing FBI investigation suggest more charges could be on the way. A superseding indictment would presumably focus on the retaliatory actions whistleblowers endured, and/or the additional criminal conduct whistleblowers told investigators about. I vaguely recall bribery being mentioned but I'm not sure off the top of my head.
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