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The 'fro on Baltimore's new Mayor tho.
Yo from Zone 15. A Park Heights cat. Shouts to Brandon Scott
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Yo from Zone 15. A Park Heights cat. Shouts to Brandon Scott
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can any lawyers or persons with a good understanding of the law chime in on the potential for this latest legal stunt from Texas to succeed? i’m not educated enough on the subject and out of all the lawsuits, this one seems to be backed with the most support. @dwalk31 is a lawyer and I know there are others.Belgium has probably read up on it. @Methodical Management probably has a good grasp as to the validity of it.
i'd put the chances of the court ever hearing the merits of the case at less than 1%
roughly the same chances as most of his lawsuits
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People just don't want to admit that the GOP took the American people hostage.
You got Perdue of GA investing in stocks he knew his bills would make more valuable.
All these right-wing but jobs are using their political position to fulfill their personal ambitions at the expense of the people, and we have folks too scared to call it what it is because "they've met them once and they were very nice to them" or "they're all part of the same illuminati gay swinger clubs anyway" or "if this is what the GOP is doing, imagine what Democrats are hiding!"
Should Ezra Klein and the likes of him start wearing tinfoil hats as they analyze the political climate of this country in order to finally catch the attention of the eternal skeptics? Nah, the truth is too many Americans are just jealous they're not part of the club of grifters or that they're not near the top of the republican MLM pyramid.
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Straight from the chair with the barber pencil line still showing.The 'fro on Baltimore's new Mayor tho.
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106 Trump loyalists vs. everyone else? Sign me up. Trump created his own cult. I welcome Don Jr. running in 2024 as an independent. It will fracture the GOP, and the Dems will clean up.
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Just as ridiculous as everything else they've thrown at the wall. The tl;dr version is at the bottom of this post.can any lawyers or persons with a good understanding of the law chime in on the potential for this latest legal stunt from Texas to succeed? i’m not educated enough on the subject and out of all the lawsuits, this one seems to be backed with the most support. @dwalk31 is a lawyer and I know there are others.
The lawsuit relies on the Supreme Court's "original jurisdiction" authority, which means the SC will act as both the trial and appellate court for disputes between states that can't be resolved elsewhere. Their central claim is that those states' coronavirus-related changes to election rules violate the federal constitution, therefore it seeks to invalidate the results.
While the Supreme Court does have that "original jurisdiction" authority, it doesn't necessarily mean they take up all interstate disputes. It's not unusual for the Supreme Court to just refuse to hear such a case and let the lower courts handle it. The cases that get accepted under this authority are things like border disputes, water rights, ...
The so-called 'factual allegations' (example: the 14th amendment bars Wisconsin from using drop boxes) are along the same lines of the nonsense that has been laughed out of every courtroom. Perhaps more importantly, they're also claims that can be resolved by lower courts.
There's also the issue of standing. Texas AG Paxton claims Texas has standing because the state has an interest in which party controls the Senate. The state's claim of having a unique interest however is contradicted by Trump seeking to intervene as a party in the case. Texas also has no say over how other states choose their presidential electors.
Additionally, precedent in a similar case also goes against the lawsuit. In Delaware v. New York (1966), Delaware tried to sue NY in order to get the "winner take all" rule for the allocation of presidential electors declared unconstitutional. The Supreme Court refused to hear the case.
Lastly, the remedy this lawsuit seeks from the Supreme Court (disenfranchising millions of voters) is just flat out ridiculous and unconstitutional. It's asinine.
The timing of the lawsuit also cripples the case due to laches and the "safe harbor" deadline. Laches in the context of post-election challenges is explained below. The safe harbor deadline means that states must certify their electoral results by 6 days before the electoral college meets, at the latest. In other words, December 8. Congress must accept those certified results as valid.
Tl;dr version:
-The factual allegations have no merit
-Texas waited too long to file the lawsuit
-Texas has no say in how other states choose their presidential electors
-The remedy Texas seeks from the Supreme Court is unconstitutional
-The Supreme Court isn't the sole option to resolve this dispute
Nike Jordan
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Republicans only preach "civility" so they can get away with being *******s.
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And I hate that people fall for it. **** em.
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The Texas AG's lawsuit is really just his way of applying for a pardon.
Several of his top aides have openly accused him of bribery and other crimes, separate from his state securities fraud charges.
Several of his top aides have openly accused him of bribery and other crimes, separate from his state securities fraud charges.
Nike Jordan
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You know it's bad when a Bush is talking sense.
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I think within this first Biden first term we will start seeing state governments just ignoring federal law and federal court decisions and be widely celebrated for it
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Hell, even GWB is on board with taking the vaccine on national television. Trump is literally anti-science. GWB, for all his faults, at least knows what's up.
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The problem with this is we only gave them a B. If we gave them a full trillion we might have reduced crime by a percent or two.
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States should just stop paying federal taxes. Let's see what happens then. That was a probably real threat if Trump was re-elected. He cut off all aid to blue states. Okay, then don't give the feds their money. We can use that money to maintain our own roads.
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Who would've thought giving tanks and advanced weapons to cops wouldn't prevent drug crimes, robberies, home invasions, domestic violence, assault, etc. Those make up the majority of crime. Even if you throw homicides into the mix, what is military equipment gonna do to deter them?
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And that will be the end of the US as we know it.
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we will have two different countries even without secession
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hypothetically let´s say Doc Prez actually gets the vaccine (and admits to it) sometime next year.
does that help at all or are we too far gone?
you realize this type of talk is like a step and a half below secession and the rest of that dance, right?
not even disputing your conclusion, just wondering if we all understand where we might be with all this.
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There it is!
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