***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Based Jesus]

Democrats need to follow the example of Nancy "Moderate" Mace if they ever want to get back the valuable canadian vote

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[Methodical Management]

I posted this yesterday in another thread, but it applies here as well:

Those platforms use algorithms to promote engagement, and often do so in ways with destructive consequences.

Controversial content generates more engagement than benign content. Facebook’s algorithm assigned the “angry” emote at five times the weight of the “like” reaction.

What’s going to generate more engagement?

“Killing innocent civilians is bad and it should be stopped.”
“If civilians support terrorism, they should be treated as combatants.”

The second statement is going to draw more argument. That’s the one social media algorithms are vastly more likely to favor and promote.


This is why people who suspend critical thought and let the algorithm take the wheel invariably start to skew far right - because the algorithms skews far right.

Twitter’s research shows that its algorithm favors conservative views

Twitter doesn’t know what causes this issue

www.theverge.com

according to your logic, Donald Trump doesn't need to lie about these things, run on strict abortion bans, getting rid of gay marriage, and reporting everyone and win.

that's obviously not true. hence all the lying.

This has absolutely nothing to do with my logic. You’re the one arguing that voters are more negatively polarized by a purported “extremism” on social issues for which you’ve offered no specific policy examples than they are on overt bigotry.

If you think Trump’s bigotry is unpopular, why exactly are we supposed to ignore it?

You’ve said you’re optimistic about the potential for Democrats’ economic policies to triumph over demagoguery - but you have so little faith in them that you think Democrats need to triangulate even further on social issues, as if abandoning them could only have an additive effect. That’s just false on its face.

What’s the primary appeal of calls for “tangibles?” That Democrats have gone too far - or that they haven’t actually done enough to deserve the loyalty they currently enjoy? You can go down the list. Pick a group: Democrats have gone too far, or they haven’t done enough and I may as well just take that tax cut and go it alone because coalition politics have failed me? A lot of the grievance politics stem from jealous resentment: “Democrats gave rights to gay couples. What have they done for me?” “Democrats give handouts to non-citizens and the unemployed. What are they doing for me?”

Why do low propensity voters stay home? They think it won’t matter, that “both sides are the same” and nothing fundamentally changes regardless of who wins any given election.

And you think more moderation is the answer?

The Republican base is largely homogenous. They need only appeal to selfishness.
Democrats function as a coalition: I’ll fight for you if you fight for me. That coalition fractures when people feel like other members of the collective aren’t living up to their end of the bargain. You’re not accounting for this.


Likewise, I’m not sure why you think Trump’s rampant dishonesty operates in your favor here.

How exactly is “moderate harder” supposed to work when Trump and his “influencer” surrogates can simply lie about Democrats’ positions and claim they’re for infanticide, importing criminals, and compulsory gender reassignment surgeries for veterans? What’s going to cut through the din of misinformation? Politics as usual? Nothing captivates the imagination of voters like the status quo.


Harris did on immigration exactly what you think she should do on social issues generally.

How’d that work out?

This is a theory in search of facts. You’re projecting your own personal preferences on to a foreign electorate.

yes they hated him because Trump lies about moderation were exposed as lies, and he ran an extremely right wing administration. if trump does the abortion ban, and does the deportation camps and the tariffs.

he will be unpopular again, none of this means the american people want socialism or whatever is even further left of biden.

“Americans don’t want leftist economic policies” is an interesting takeaway at a time when swing voters acted as though Biden’s greatest failure was not implementing price controls on groceries.



So when Trump’s magical promises fail to materialize, his voters discover that they can’t pay their rent with liberal tears, and he again leaves the country in ruin - the same circumstances that resulted in what you described as the most far left administration in American history - your theory is that Americans won’t want to see any significant changes?

This is just internally incoherent. You want Democrats to be more radical about zoning and housing policies - and this, at least, is well reasoned.

Voters want more than mere lip service. Biden could have delivered considerably more if not for moderate (and now unelectable) saboteurs like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema.

There’s broad agreement here that Democrats haven’t done enough to deliver meaningful quality of life improvements to working people. Most people, especially here, would like to see that change.

You believe that this goal is mutually exclusive to meaningfully addressing other needs - including basic safety - for those who’ve been targeted for violence and discrimination on the basis of identity. Okay.

You go ahead and channel Adin Ross viewers when casting your vote for Prime Minister if you want.


I suspect that most of us here respect the primary process and will vote for the best viable option in the general election, even if that person does once again wind up being a moderate, but if you want people here to start adopting a policy of preemptive surrender and accommodationism when selecting candidates you’re going to have to do a lot better than this to convince us.

So much innovation.

Let’s put tech investors in charge of everything.

Move fast and break things.

 

[IATT]

 

[cubanref]

You knew this was coming. Absolutely pathetic! We are the joke of the world with this dingbat having a cabinet position! Does anyone want to guess the position she's gonna be up for?

Might as well let her run Space Force

 

[dmbrhs]

You knew this was coming. Absolutely pathetic! We are the joke of the world with this dingbat having a cabinet position! Does anyone want to guess the position she's gonna be up for?

Getting the MAGAs out of Congress could backfire spectacularly.