**Official USMNT Soccer Thread**

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I think we are seriously at the point where a lot of the guys on this team that start are just there because of their seniority (looking at you Jozy and Beckerman). Jozy is in absolutely abysmal form and should not have been starting over Booby Wood IMO.

I want change but i'm not sure what can be changed besides some of the U23 guys get some starts to the NT we really have nothing else to lose so we might as well.

AND FOR GOD'S SAKE CAN WE CALL LEE NYUGEN BACK UP!
 
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Following Saturday's CONCACAF Cup defeat vs. Mexico, U.S. coach Jurgen Klinsmann has rung the changes ahead of Tuesday's friendly against Costa Rica.

Into the squad come goalkeeper Bill Hamid, as well as midfielders Mix Diskerud, Lee Nguyen, Brek Shea and forward Andrew Wooten.

Meanwhile, eight players have been released back to their clubs: goalkeeper Nick Rimando, defenders DaMarcus Beasley and Matt Besler, midfielders Kyle Beckerman, Michael Bradley and Graham Zusi and forwards Clint Dempsey and Chris Wondolowski.

The changes mean that Klinsmann will pick from a squad of 21 players for the U.S.' final game before World Cup qualifying begins in November.

Updated roster

Goalkeepers: Brad Guzan, Bill Hamid, Tim Howard

Defenders: Ventura Alvarado, Geoff Cameron, Brad Evans, Fabian Johnson, Michael Orozco, Tim Ream, Jonathan Spector

Midfielders: Alejandro Bedoya, Mix Diskerud, Jermaine Jones, Lee Nguyen, Brek Shea, Danny Williams, DeAndre Yedlin 

Forwards: Jozy Altidore, Bobby Wood, Andrew Wooten, Gyasi Zardes
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Lee called up for the friendly against Costa Rica.

Aside from Guzan, Howard, Nguyen, Yedlin, Wood, Zardes, and Jones (maybe), EVERYONE else needs to get the **** off this team
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.  I'm hoping by November we see a completely different roster.
 
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Who do you guys think is ready to step in contribute immediately?

Hopefully we can limit the "anyone breathing - all the current players suck," blah blah type responses.

For me Jordan Morris has looked like a better option than Altidore since April. Kid hasn't even played a professional minute yet and he's already more sophisticated, more athletic, with 10x the work rate.

I think Miazga is ready now. Seen him consistently be outstanding against grown men, week in and week out for over a year now.

CCV is unquestionably close but it's so easy to forget that he doesn't even turn 18 years old until the New Years eve. He looks ready. Would love to see him loaned to the championship or league one in January.

Zelalem isn't there. Especially in terms of consistency and being a complete midfielder but with his talent and a skillset that's shared by so few players in the pool, he needs to be slowly introduced starting now.

Danny Williams is a known commodity but he needs to be the first choice pairing with Bradley. Let Nyguen or Feilaber sit ahead of those two, and underneath Wood and Morris.

Other than Morris, Miazga, and maybe CCV/Zelalem I really don't think any of the youth are quite there. It's more about clearing house and giving established Sr. team guys like Wood, Yedlin, and Williams a chance to be first 11.
 
@NorthOaklandFC   Everything you said is how I feel.

Wood, Yedlin and Williams should get first looks. I've wanted to see Jordan Morris get called up and consistent first team starts for a while and I agree with Miazga. When it comes to CCV yeah he isn't 18 yet and a loan would be good for experience but in the mean time the best chance at experience he has right now is to get the call and chances to start or if not come in as a sub to try to make an impact this way.

Like I said before we have nothing else to lose at this point so we might as well start getting some of the promising young guys national team starts.
 
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Gutted by this loss. I was on the Klinsy bandwagon, but he lost me a couple of matches ago. The formation and tactics in this game prove to me, what a lot people say. He's not really good when it comes to that part of the game. Subbing Zardes, when it was clear Jones was tired and Dempsey was trash. I mean I always say Altidore never plays well, but even HE played a lot better than Demps.

I think we are at lowest point with this team since 2008. Its clear Mexico is the best in Concacrap at the moment. Where do we go from here? Play the young guys? Bring in people that really want to wear the crest? Get rid of Klinsy? I am not sure at the point. This loss will stick with my for a while >D
 
I'm not as down on Jurgen as most seem to be. He's brought in some decent prospects from other countries, including our own, but now it's time to bring them up. If the squad that played against Mexico is playing in the WC then we can talk about getting rid of Jurgen.
 
cool story Jurgen

I'm ready to move on from him tbh
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[h1]Klinsmann throws Johnson under bus ahead of friendly against Costa Rica[/h1]
HARRISON, N.J. — The last time Jurgen Klinsmann threw a U.S. player under the bus, it was Alejandro Bedoya. Last month, after putting Bedoya in a defensive midfield role he had never played before—and against Brazil, no less—Klinsmann took him off before halftime and said on ESPN: “Ale had a bit of a problem getting into his rhythm.”

Even though making a non-injury sub before halftime is the equivalent of a coach admitting a mistake, there was no raised hand from Klinsmann. No “my bad.” He essentially hung Bedoya out to dry.

The latest U.S. player to get tossed under the bus by Klinsmann on Monday was Fabian Johnson, the right back (with the U.S., at least) who’s the only U.S. player competing in the UEFA Champions League group stage (as a left midfielder for Borussia Mönchengladbach).

Johnson asked to come out of the U.S.’s 3–2 loss to Mexico  on Saturday in the 111th minute, when the game was still tied at 2–2. He was replaced by Brad Evans with the U.S.’s third and final substitution.

“I had a very severe word with Fabian Johnson, and I sent him home today,” said Klinsmann ahead of Tuesday’s less-than-tantalizing friendly against Costa Rica at Red Bull Arena. “He said he couldn’t go anymore and I reacted to it and obviously made the substitution. But he just feared to get possibly an injury, but he was not injured in that moment. He got all stiffened up. It’s a muscle issue. That’s normal. In a situation like that, little things often make a difference.”

“You have to move on,” Klinsmann continued later. “So [Johnson] is going home after we had a talk. And he can rethink his approach toward his team.”

There’s a lot to unpack here. For starters, Johnson wasn’t around to defend himself, nor was the U.S. team doctor made available to give his opinion on whether Johnson should have come off or not. What we do know is this: Johnson missed five weeks of club action with a torn right calf muscle before returning on Sept. 23 and playing in four games for Gladbach. (He came off before the 70th minute in two of them.) He then played 111 minutes for the U.S. on Saturday.

A U.S. Soccer spokesperson said Johnson’s muscle tightness on Saturday was not in the same calf muscle that had been injured before.

Yet Klinsmann’s public comments on Monday were revealing in multiple ways:

• He didn’t have to torch Johnson publicly but did so anyway. Klinsmann could have kept the issue in-house but for some reason decided to air it to the wider world.

• For some reason, Klinsmann used the context that Johnson’s removal prevented him from executing his master plan and bringing in goalkeeper Nick Rimando for the penalty-kick shootout. But penalties weren’t necessary anyway in the end, and the whole “bringing on a new GK for penalties” is getting played out as it is. Brad Guzan would have been fine in goal if penalties had been required.

• The last two players Klinsmann has thrown under the bus, Johnson and Bedoya, are two of the last U.S. field players who have stayed in Europe and tried to reach the highest level on the global club pyramid. In that sense, you’d think they’d be poster children for what Klinsmann wants from U.S. players.

• By bringing up Johnson’s dismissal publicly, Klinsmann switched the conversation away from the public’s questioning of whether he should continue as the U.S. coach and put it on what he considers the fault of a player. And there’s no way that can’t come off as self-serving.

Bottom line: If Johnson was faking it—and we don’t know for certain he was—then that’s a problem. An internal team problem. But there’s no way that Klinsmann should have gone public with it.
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I feel like dudes hate on him because he came in not kissing *** or mincing words about the state of soccer in the States. That made him a lot of enemies in the media and with the higher ups/MLS people :lol.
 
I supported Klinsy when he was hired. But he's had the program for a while, and I don't see any changes to it. We still play the bunker ball that we played when he was hired. Some of his moves have paid of, but most of them have not. I dont buy this we dont have talent in the player pool crap. With so many players at his disposal, He should be able to get something out of them. I agree with a lot of people that say bring in the young guns. Let the old guard die, and let see what the young guys have. I don't want to see Beas, beckerman and Jones any longer. Dudes just cant cut it. Demps, same way. Hes done great things in his career, but he look bad on Saturday.
 
Does anyone else feel like one of the main reasons for the uneven results is because of the small margin of error? We have talent but it seems like we need our guys to play at their absolute best to be competitive. It isn't like USA Basketball where our talent is so overwhelming that we can play well below our ability and still win big games.
 
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Does anyone else feel like one of the main reasons for the uneven results is because of the small margin of error? We have talent but it seems like we need our guys to play at their absolute best to be competitive. It isn't like USA Basketball where our talent is so overwhelming that we can play well below our ability and still win big games.
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I'm not seeing this talent, they struggle with fast teams, can't score consistently and are mediocre in the midfield
 
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