Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T

[Master Zik]

If you're saying Buscemi can't be a lead actor I completely disagree.

Man, first thing I said was 'in a series as a straight lead.' Not a movie. He can be a lead in a movie for sure, but an HBO series like this is something completely different.

I'm disagreeing with that as well. I never made a distinction between movie and lead in a series. I just gave movie examples cuz there aren't any examples of him being a lead in a series prior to this.

Only reason I can see for you to believe this is cuz so many foolishly believed this series was going to be some sort of dual protagonist story with Jimmy as the co-lead or they wanted it to be that way and feel the show hasn't been the same since his death.

Why is that foolish? If so many people feel that way, isn't it just one way to take the show?

To me off the jump, it was established pretty clearly that Nucky was the lead. Even more so if you looked up who Nucky Johnson is. Even more so when you find out out Jimmy Darmody is a completely made up character Even more so when you read comments from Winter about the show and Nucky before Jimmy's death. All of that to me makes me think it's foolish to think that this was gonna be a series where Nucky and Jimmy were going to be sharing the spot light. I never even questioned it but if many thought that and were seeing as one way to view the show, the writers shut that down strongly by telling his story completely and then moved on with Nucky still in the prohibition era dealing with other foes.

You're misremembering things. Scorcesse, Winter and the other guys chose him for a specific reason. Nobody ever said Buscemi looks like the real Nucky cuz he doesn't. The real Nucky is 6" + and over 200 lbs.

Yea, they did. In the BE thread. Dudes were not trying to hear the few people who weren't feeling Buscemi as Nucky.

I don't know what the hell this is about. People in the BE thread said Buscemi looks like the real Nucky Johnson? Regardless of that nonsense I never made this argument so it's not worth continuing. It's out right wrong if anyone was doing that.

Some scenes beg for him to be Heisenberg or Tony Soprano or hell, even Coach Taylor or Bill from Big Love. He puts his own signature on them, but you can only finesse it for so long. I mean when his lowly brother comes off with more machismo than him. When only the plot and how clever they decide he is keeps him as the topdog...

That's the whole damn point though. I just said as much when I thoroughly explained who Nucky Thompson is in the story. He's not going to emulate those characters cuz currently in the story that's not where he's at as a boss. I don't know if you skimmed that part when I explained it but the Nucky in the first few seasons is suppose to come up short in those scenes emotively. This whole change and growth in his character is hinted on throughout. Jimmy starts talking about Nuck's first kill eye to eye with a man before he pulls the trigger and how he'll continue to remember it (which he does) despite his past as a sheriff where he surely killed ppl but not in the same way as that and most likely nowhere as personal. It happens again when he makes his pitch to AR, Lucky, and the rest of the tri-state area gangsters to team with him against Gyp. He approaches it as a business merger and not like how a don is suppose to which is why it wasn't convincing in the slightest. Keep in mind it's his brother that manages to get Al and his crew to show up. He was screwed before that. Going off character history is why Eli comes off more macho than Nucky despite Nucky being older. We see it again at the end of last season when it's all over. We saw it plenty other times in the 3 seasons so far. Nucky isn't even the guy to kill Gyp. Nucky approaches this **** way more rationally with no swag. He thinks about this ****. He's not the guy that's going to make a badass speech for the sake of it or improve morale. If you don't like how the plot is and how he's written cleverly I don't know what to tell you. That's what I see Buscemi being able to convey as he portrays the character.

I didn't come into this with any expectations, except that Scorcese was making it and the trailer looked awesome. Every show like this seems to find a character actor and pull out something we haven't seen before from them. I looked at it the same way I did when I heard the Malcolm in the Middle guy was doing a drama. But this role (maybe because it's a real person) just asked him to be something be a lot of things, one of which he really, really isn't. He can do a lot of things, but at times this asks him to play it straight with his chest puffed out. And he can't finesse it or get by on his affect. It's not enough to just put his serious face on.

I dunno man I think because Nucky is a real person is why you should be open to look at this differently. Nucky Johnson wasn't a mob boss. The only real life difference here is that he was an opposing figure based off aesthetics but not so much a guy that will be a leader of men but manipulator which I see Buscemi doing with the character. If anything writers have already taken liberties with how dirty his hands have gotten directly. Like I said the series has way more of a corrupt political theme draped over the activities of gangsters or at least that's what I've seen in their approach with Nucky's pov. The ppl really running **** aren't cool or are at all impactful in person. They're cold blooded, most times boring, and dry especially if their seasoned with this.

The difference is, there are big, important scenes when he needs to flex his muscle, lower his voice, and be the leader of men and you can hear the dissonance. His ace is that the dialogue is very, very good on Boardwalk, but those moments when it's not enough are when you can really tell, this guy is just...naturally meek. He's naturally reserved and neurotic. You can look at it like an affect or another layer of his performance, but it makes some of his big speeches and scenes of bravado feel so out of character and contrived. How many big, important scenes just fell flat because of him?

No there isn't. If anything when those scenes come up it's a breath of fresh air for us to see how the writers have Nucky handle it. He's not flexing muscle or lowering his voice. He's not leading you, he's ordering you cuz you work for him. Going off where we see Nucky start off you're not even suppose to see scenes where he's suppose to be that guy you think he's suppose to be. That's the whole thing about it. We're talking about a guy smart enough to live through the thick of this **** when it's said and done, amongst the rise of Lucky and Al. That's why I feel Buscemi has excelled at what they've made Nucky Thompson in this story and not just strictly copying the life of Nucky Johnson. He's charismatic and flamboyant as the ppl's champ on the boardwalk and all business in the office and I mean ruthless when it comes to business with no morals. There isn't a gangster persona, he doesn't need it, he's already fooled everyone in to following him with his political power and cuz this is politics you see with the right political foe or just **** going bad for you from the top on down you see how quickly he could lose it all.

 

[mronegative]

Jackie Brown on TNT. I know, I know.

Finally gonna check this out, though.

 

[big j 33]

Tarantino on TNT shouldn't exist. If you have Netflix Instant its available to stream

 

[mronegative]

I never made a distinction between movie and lead in a series.

I am.

To me off the jump, it was established pretty clearly that Nucky was the lead. Even more so if you looked up who Nucky Johnson is. Even more so when you find out out Jimmy Darmody is a completely made up character Even more so when you read comments from Winter about the show and Nucky before Jimmy's death. All of that to me makes me think it's foolish to think that this was gonna be a series where Nucky and Jimmy were going to be sharing the spot light. I never even questioned it but if many thought that and were seeing as one way to view the show, the writers shut that down strongly by telling his story completely and then moved on with Nucky still in the prohibition era dealing with other foes.

I don't see your point. You're basically saying, no one should've been surprised about what happened. They should get over it. And they're stupid if they feel any type of way about it.

You can reason the show out all you want, but it's not a book. It's real actors playing these roles. At the end of the day Buscemi got top billing, but Pitt was absolutely #2. Just like Walt and Jesse on Breaking Bad or Vic and Shane on The Shield or Swearangen and Bullock on Deadwood. No **** Nucky was the lead. But you're telling me that if someone had done their research instead of just watching the show, they'd get over the way they felt the dynamic of the show was headed? How does that even make sense?

This isn't Rome. He's not Caesar. Apart from Capone this isn't some common knowledge story. There was what Jimmy meant to the show and then how you reasoned out how his side of the story ended. You can't tell me he was just a supporting character in a sea of them, especially because he was a character the writers made up. Jesse was supposed to die early on in Breaking Bad. This is a longform TV show, they make it, see what worked and adjust to that. He was practically the co-lead of the series.

And if you did follow the behind the scenes talk, then you know Pitt's personal behavior and off-screen attitude are what happened to his character.

He's not going to emulate those characters cuz currently in the story that's not where he's at as a boss.

Big bad Coach Taylor and Bill the Mormon polygamist?
I mean those are the tough, forceful characters I wanted him to emulate.

I don't know if you skimmed that part when I explained it but the Nucky in the first few seasons is suppose to come up short in those scenes emotively. This whole change and growth in his character is hinted on throughout. Jimmy starts talking about Nuck's first kill eye to eye with a man before he pulls the trigger and how he'll continue to remember it (which he does) despite his past as a sheriff where he surely killed ppl but not in the same way as that and most likely nowhere as personal. It happens again when he makes his pitch to AR, Lucky, and the rest of the tri-state area gangsters to team with him against Gyp. He approaches it as a business merger and not like how a don is suppose to which is why it wasn't convincing in the slightest. Keep in mind it's his brother that manages to get Al and his crew to show up. He was screwed before that. Going off character history is why Eli comes off more macho than Nucky despite Nucky being older. We see it again at the end of last season when it's all over. We saw it plenty other times in the 3 seasons so far. Nucky isn't even the guy to kill Gyp. Nucky approaches this **** way more rationally with no swag. He thinks about this ****. He's not the guy that's going to make a badass speech for the sake of it or improve morale.

You can see some similarities between Cranston's Walter White and Buscemi's Nucky Thompson. The intelligent man naively wandering into a darker and deeper criminal world, trying to logic out his need to be there and his morality as he holds his head high as the smartest guy in the room. Heisenberg showed up season 1 as a response to Tuco. That could've just been a plot device or throwaway gag (and that would've been fine), but Cranston elevates it to something more. And he deepens that and sells every line of it every time, from when he's faking it early on to when he's really made a turn. And that's more than just finesse and nuance. You can sell me on the plotlines and character arc all you want, but in that moment when he makes his pitch to AR, Lucky and tri-state gangsters...that landed square with you? Or was that just a big checkmark in the "this makes sense and was well-plotted, written and directed" box. Because that's what it was for me.

It's not what he says or does, but how.

I don't have a problem with the Nucky character and his arc. And I think Buscemi's portrayal is really interesting, but there are many moments for me where he takes what the writers give him and just doesn't have that other gear to sell it to me.

I mean we're arguing feeling. The same thing that feels Emmy-worthy to you, feels awkward and off-putting to me.

The ppl really running **** aren't cool or are at all impactful in person. They're cold blooded, most times boring, and dry especially if their seasoned with this.

Ok. So you're telling me he's not impactful.
I'm telling you he's not impactful.
Then you're telling me I'm wrong for feeling like he should be?

That's where we're at?

 

[mronegative]

Tarantino on TNT shouldn't exist. If you have Netflix Instant its available to stream

They got me at the first motherfather line, though.

I gotta see this through.

 

[Master Zik]

I never made a distinction between movie and lead in a series.

I am.

I already said I disagree with that too

To me off the jump, it was established pretty clearly that Nucky was the lead. Even more so if you looked up who Nucky Johnson is. Even more so when you find out out Jimmy Darmody is a completely made up character Even more so when you read comments from Winter about the show and Nucky before Jimmy's death. All of that to me makes me think it's foolish to think that this was gonna be a series where Nucky and Jimmy were going to be sharing the spot light. I never even questioned it but if many thought that and were seeing as one way to view the show, the writers shut that down strongly by telling his story completely and then moved on with Nucky still in the prohibition era dealing with other foes.

I don't see your point. You're basically saying, no one should've been surprised about what happened. They should get over it. And they're stupid if they feel any type of way about it.

They shouldn't have been surprised after the way the entire 1st season went. They should get over it and they're foolish for thinking it should've been the way they wanted it to be. They can feel however about it though.

You can reason the show out all you want, but it's not a book. It's real actors playing these roles. At the end of the day Buscemi got top billing, but Pitt was absolutely #2. Just like Walt and Jesse on Breaking Bad or Vic and Shane on The Shield or Swearangen and Bullock on Deadwood. No **** Nucky was the lead. But you're telling me that if someone had done their research instead of just watching the show, they'd get over the way they felt the dynamic of the show was headed? How does that even make sense?

Jesse was gonna die early too if things didn't change. Here things didn't As far as the other shows creator/writer's decision for the #2 to die. It's the same way Shane died in TWD. People assumed it was going to be one way but it wasn't. It's as simple as that. No need to keep pursuing it.

And yeah if they watched the show, and payed attention to Jimmy's story then how could they not see where things were headed. All the solo Jimmy scenes dwelling on his past or any self-reflection showed what kind of sad life he had. He was unhappy with life and uncomfortable with his situation but never could really grasp what kind of situation he really wanted until it was too late. He thought he was about that life and although he had what it takes he realized he wasn't. That's what got his wife killed, hell he thought he was doing what he was suppose to do when he married her in the first place unknown to him he probably shacked up with a lesbian. This is all well laid out for the viewer when it comes to Jimmy's story. Then he went to Nucky to make it right and since even in the end he couldn't be anything other than what he's already been that got him where he didn't want to be he still went out to meet Nuck one last time and checked out. If anything he went out in a way that gave Nuck more character development with the issues he wrestled with in S3. So yeah it makes sense that the viewer without doing research should have got over that dynamic given the writing was on the wall. He wasn't going back to Nuck and he was never going to be a boss, at best he would've been the right hand man of Capone or some other gangster and got more suicidal until he died/got himself killed.

I don't know if you skimmed that part when I explained it but the Nucky in the first few seasons is suppose to come up short in those scenes emotively. This whole change and growth in his character is hinted on throughout. Jimmy starts talking about Nuck's first kill eye to eye with a man before he pulls the trigger and how he'll continue to remember it (which he does) despite his past as a sheriff where he surely killed ppl but not in the same way as that and most likely nowhere as personal. It happens again when he makes his pitch to AR, Lucky, and the rest of the tri-state area gangsters to team with him against Gyp. He approaches it as a business merger and not like how a don is suppose to which is why it wasn't convincing in the slightest. Keep in mind it's his brother that manages to get Al and his crew to show up. He was screwed before that. Going off character history is why Eli comes off more macho than Nucky despite Nucky being older. We see it again at the end of last season when it's all over. We saw it plenty other times in the 3 seasons so far. Nucky isn't even the guy to kill Gyp. Nucky approaches this **** way more rationally with no swag. He thinks about this ****. He's not the guy that's going to make a badass speech for the sake of it or improve morale.

You can see some similarities between Cranston's Walter White and Buscemi's Nucky Thompson. The intelligent man naively wandering into a darker and deeper criminal world, trying to logic out his need to be there and his morality as he holds his head high as the smartest guy in the room. Heisenberg showed up season 1 as a response to Tuco. That could've just been a plot device or throwaway gag (and that would've been fine), but Cranston elevates it to something more. And he deepens that and sells every line of it every time, from when he's faking it early on to when he's really made a turn. And that's more than just finesse and nuance. You can sell me on the plotlines and character arc all you want, but in that moment when he makes his pitch to AR, Lucky and tri-state gangsters...that landed square with you? Or was that just a big checkmark in the "this makes sense and was well-plotted, written and directed" box. Because that's what it was for me.

It's not what he says or does, but how.

The very clear and distinct differences is Nucky's always been dirty with how he goes about his. He's always been in the dirt. Walt feels like life screwed him. He's not a has been, he's a never tried to be. To me you can't make these comparisons and strip away key details to make a point. Nucky Thompson and Walter White/Heisneberg are not similar enough characters. So I can't agree with you going off with this breakdown off the fact both are intelligent and use that to get ahead. Nucky's seasoned in manipulating whether it's the common man on the street who sees him as a benefactor or a gangster he's selling booze too, to a politician that he's greasing palms with.

Nucky Thompson is not the intelligent man naively wandering in to a darker and deeper criminal world. He's not trying to reason out his need to be there and his morality. Nucky is amoral as it gets and that criminal world has always lived next door to him. Those are his neighbors at the end of the block none of his next door neighbors know he does business with. However with him he has tried to fool himself in to thinking they're not really neighbors and only associated when he needs them to be because up the block in the nice part of town he also does business with that part of the neighborhood. We're talking about a guy okaying the death of a man cuz he was a drunk that beat a pregnant woman he barely knew in the first season and then brought that woman and had her be his new side piece. That's not comparable to Walt. Walt's always made excuses and was forced in to killing at the start. Nucky has no qualms about killing he just didn't do it directly and would dress the phrasing up in pretty words so most wouldn't be the wiser. Buscemi has taken that journey of being that guy to it's logical conclusion in the end S3 after being dragged down to the end of the block to deal with those neighbors after Jimmy gave him a bigger view of how that side was living. Happened even more with Nucky and Chalky this past season.

This is what I mean when I say Nucky Thompson the character is not that guy you're thinking of. He's not a Walter White type so he can't become a Heisnberg. He's a different dude. So maybe you're right and Buscemi can't be that guy but Boardwalk Empire wouldn't be evidence of that cuz Nucky Thompson isn't suppose to be that kind of guy in the first place or at least not yet (we'll see how S4 goes with this new change in Nuck). Nucky isn't going to tell Margraet that he is the danger, he'd rather lie and tell her things are alright and there's nothing to worry about, he'd rather simp than recognize he could've had a ride or die chick. He's willing to take her back knowing she was banging his co-captain. Nucky Thompson is a different animal.

I don't have a problem with the Nucky character and his arc. And I think Buscemi's portrayal is really interesting, but there are many moments for me where he takes what the writers give him and just doesn't have that other gear to sell it to me.

I mean we're arguing feeling. The same thing that feels Emmy-worthy to you, feels awkward and off-putting to me.

Yeah with this we'll have to just agree to disagree.

The ppl really running **** aren't cool or are at all impactful in person. They're cold blooded, most times boring, and dry especially if their seasoned with this.

Ok. So you're telling me he's not impactful.
I'm telling you he's not impactful.
Then you're telling me I'm wrong for feeling like he should be?That's where we're at?

Not impactful in the way you want him to be and I'm talking about Nucky the character not Buscemi. He's not going to have that presence but yeah for the most part you wanting the character to be something he's not and putting that on what Buscemi is doing with the way the character is written is what I'm saying is wrong. It's like what you claim Buscemi is not doing with what the writer's provide him, is doing enough and doing it poignantly. That's how he's conveying what kind of character Nucky Thompson is in his portrayal. Many of the typical things you're expecting are done differently intentionally. It's not like Buscemi is trying to be that guy and is falling short. He's being a completely different guy.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Nelson's wife can eat it she is so whack and Nelson is even weirder

 

[mronegative]

We'll just agree to disagree on Jimmy Darmody and Michael Pitt.

The very clear and distinct differences is Nucky's always been dirty with how he goes about his. He's always been in the dirt. Walt feels like life screwed him. He's not a has been, he's a never tried to be. To me you can't make these comparisons and strip away key details to make a point. Nucky Thompson and Walter White/Heisneberg are not similar enough characters. So I can't agree with you going off with this breakdown off the fact both are intelligent and use that to get ahead. Nucky's seasoned in manipulating whether it's the common man on the street who sees him as a benefactor or a gangster he's selling booze too, to a politician that he's greasing palms with.

Nucky Thompson is not the intelligent man naively wandering in to a darker and deeper criminal world. He's not trying to reason out his need to be there and his morality. Nucky is amoral as it gets and that criminal world has always lived next door to him. Those are his neighbors at the end of the block none of his next door neighbors know he does business with. However with him he has tried to fool himself in to thinking they're not really neighbors and only associated when he needs them to be because up the block in the nice part of town he also does business with that part of the neighborhood. We're talking about a guy okaying the death of a man cuz he was a drunk that beat a pregnant woman he barely knew in the first season and then brought that woman and had her be his new side piece. That's not comparable to Walt. Walt's always made excuses and was forced in to killing at the start. Nucky has no qualms about killing he just didn't do it directly and would dress the phrasing up in pretty words so most wouldn't be the wiser. Buscemi has taken that journey of being that guy to it's logical conclusion in the end S3 after being dragged down to the end of the block to deal with those neighbors after Jimmy gave him a bigger view of how that side was living. Happened even more with Nucky and Chalky this past season.

This is what I mean when I say Nucky Thompson the character is not that guy you're thinking of. He's not a Walter White type so he can't become a Heisnberg. He's a different dude. So maybe you're right and Buscemi can't be that guy but Boardwalk Empire wouldn't be evidence of that cuz Nucky Thompson isn't suppose to be that kind of guy in the first place. Nucky isn't going to tell Margraet that he is the danger, he'd rather lie and tell her things are alright and there's nothing to worry about, he'd rather simp than recognize he could've had a ride or die chick. He's willing to take her back knowing she was banging his co-captain. Nucky Thompson is a different animal.

I never said they were the same character. Would it've made you feel better if I used Vic Mackey or Al Swearangen? That was just the example I used, because it's the newest and it was so plain and simple to see the divide early on. They highlighted that turn of the personality, by giving it a name in Breaking Bad's case. We're just meeting the monster further down the road is all. But the ability to sell that side of his character is what's shaky to me.

And I'm just gonna leave the morality side of this alone. If you wanna act like he doesn't wrestle with his conscience at times, fine by me.

The ppl really running **** aren't cool or are at all impactful in person. They're cold blooded, most times boring, and dry especially if their seasoned with this.

Ok. So you're telling me he's not impactful.
I'm telling you he's not impactful.
Then you're telling me I'm wrong for feeling like he should be?That's where we're at?

Not impactful in the way you want him to be and I'm talking about Nucky the character not Buscemi. He's not going to have that presence but yeah for the most part you wanting the character to be something he's not and putting that on what Buscemi is doing with the way the character is written is what I'm saying is wrong. It's like what you claim Buscemi is not doing with what the writer's provide him, is doing enough and doing it poignantly. That's how he's conveying what kind of character Nucky Thompson is in his portrayal. Many of the typical things you're expecting are done differently intentionally. It's not like Buscemi is trying to be that guy and is falling short. He's being a completely different guy.

I don't...want him to be a different character.
It's not me expecting Tony Soprano to walk in.
It's him in those say it with ya chest moments where it just hits me wrong.

If Boardwalk Empire clips were on YouTube it'd be a lot easier to just show you.

 

[mronegative]

Jackie Brown was DAMN good.
A lot better than I remembered it.

I understand why people people keep it low on the Tarantino list, though.
It's the style of the first half. I mean, we see that style again, in the non-driving scenes of Death Proof.

I'm not a big Elmore Leonard fan or anything, but I know Jackie Brown was based off one of his books, and so is Justified. So through Justified...having seen 20 or so Elmore-style stories, characters and that dialogue they say is very faithful to his brand...I can see the differences in the approach. And I think Justified's style maybe compliments it better. The first half I mean.

The first half of Jackie Brown is kinda slow. It's played very straight, and Tarantino will just have these static, stationary shots fixed on one person talking for long takes. And that works when you've got that evocative and unique Tarantino dialogue. But in a straight crime story, where they're just having pretty simple, but subtly intelligent Elmore dialogue...it's like styles clashing. Whenever the blaxploitation film rises up, it clicks, when the Elmore Leonard Southern noir creeps up...it gets kinda dry.

And I think some of it's because of Sam Jackson's character.

Ordell is a straight up *******. I mean there aint really an ounce of complicated good in him. So it's tricky having him be the main character that we follow for the whole first half. And because he's kinda one-note, with all the still shots...it feels like we're just waiting. It kinda drags while they're moving all the chess pieces around. One thing that mighta helped was more music in the beginning or even a score. Tarantino basically always has soundtracks, never film scores. This is a film that would've been ripe for having a score or at least a theme song.

But forget all that....any time Jackie Brown, Max Cherry or Bob DeNiro's character is on screen, it's butter. It clicks completely.

I loved the 2nd half of the movie when things get moving and pay off all the setup you got through. It's just so good.

Grier kills it.
Cherry kills it.
DeNiro kills it. (he kinda reminds me of Freddie from The Master)
Surfer girl

8.5/10 I gotta remember to watch this again uncut though.

Michael Keaton was in this? What.

 

[venom lyrix]

I watched Jackie Brown for the first time a few weeks ago and really wasn't impressed. I was really curious what people saw in the film and what they were so "wowed" about. Just didn't do much for me.

It's still Pulp Fiction and then Django as my favorite Tarantino films

 

[Kimchi Papi]

I watched Jackie Brown for the first time a few weeks ago and really wasn't impressed. I was really curious what people saw in the film and what they were so "wowed" about. Just didn't do much for me.

It's still Pulp Fiction and then Django as my favorite Tarantino films

I'll admit it's proly one of the weaker films in his filmography but I liked it for what it was (although I hated Samuel Jackson's hair). It's one of QT's most straight foward films. It may even be his lone attempt at making something kinda mainstream. One of the great things about QT's movies is his gift of dialog & that's the one thing Jackie Brown has. I also love the casting of Pam Grier & Robert Forster. Also loved De Niro playing essentially a schmuck low life.

 

[duba169]

lol I recorded Jackie brown last night. Saw it was on after the ASG. gonna watch it, but I forgot TNT doesn't have curses so I may delete it

 

[Master Zik]

We'll just agree to disagree on Jimmy Darmody and Michael Pitt.

The very clear and distinct differences is Nucky's always been dirty with how he goes about his. He's always been in the dirt. Walt feels like life screwed him. He's not a has been, he's a never tried to be. To me you can't make these comparisons and strip away key details to make a point. Nucky Thompson and Walter White/Heisneberg are not similar enough characters. So I can't agree with you going off with this breakdown off the fact both are intelligent and use that to get ahead. Nucky's seasoned in manipulating whether it's the common man on the street who sees him as a benefactor or a gangster he's selling booze too, to a politician that he's greasing palms with.

Nucky Thompson is not the intelligent man naively wandering in to a darker and deeper criminal world. He's not trying to reason out his need to be there and his morality. Nucky is amoral as it gets and that criminal world has always lived next door to him. Those are his neighbors at the end of the block none of his next door neighbors know he does business with. However with him he has tried to fool himself in to thinking they're not really neighbors and only associated when he needs them to be because up the block in the nice part of town he also does business with that part of the neighborhood. We're talking about a guy okaying the death of a man cuz he was a drunk that beat a pregnant woman he barely knew in the first season and then brought that woman and had her be his new side piece. That's not comparable to Walt. Walt's always made excuses and was forced in to killing at the start. Nucky has no qualms about killing he just didn't do it directly and would dress the phrasing up in pretty words so most wouldn't be the wiser. Buscemi has taken that journey of being that guy to it's logical conclusion in the end S3 after being dragged down to the end of the block to deal with those neighbors after Jimmy gave him a bigger view of how that side was living. Happened even more with Nucky and Chalky this past season.

This is what I mean when I say Nucky Thompson the character is not that guy you're thinking of. He's not a Walter White type so he can't become a Heisnberg. He's a different dude. So maybe you're right and Buscemi can't be that guy but Boardwalk Empire wouldn't be evidence of that cuz Nucky Thompson isn't suppose to be that kind of guy in the first place. Nucky isn't going to tell Margraet that he is the danger, he'd rather lie and tell her things are alright and there's nothing to worry about, he'd rather simp than recognize he could've had a ride or die chick. He's willing to take her back knowing she was banging his co-captain. Nucky Thompson is a different animal.

I never said they were the same character. Would it've made you feel better if I used Vic Mackey or Al Swearangen? That was just the example I used, because it's the newest and it was so plain and simple to see the divide early on. They highlighted that turn of the personality, by giving it a name in Breaking Bad's case. We're just meeting the monster further down the road is all. But the ability to sell that side of his character is what's shaky to me.

And I'm just gonna leave the morality side of this alone. If you wanna act like he doesn't wrestle with his conscience at times, fine by me.

They're not even similar imo. When Nuck "wrestles with his conscience" it's not similar to when Walt is doing the same thing. Hell it's more like when he makes a decision and doesn't want to address what he just ordered cuz he's safely removed from the situation and he's able to confront his victims like not a damn thing happened. So yeah maybe a different example would've worked better cuz I got those 2 characters fresh in my mind and they're not really jiving. Walt's a slippery slope, the snowball effect. Nuck is just how far will I take this in this situation.

If Boardwalk Empire clips were on YouTube it'd be a lot easier to just show you.

I guess. They're not though? Not even some? That's strange.

 

[mronegative]

If Boardwalk Empire clips were on YouTube it'd be a lot easier to just show you.

I guess. They're not though? Not even some? That's strange.

Kinda hoping you would.

I just really didn't feel like looking for one that wasn't full on..."Tarantino."





If that lands square for you like it doesn't for me, then different strokes.

 

[Master Zik]

I seen that **** as cold as hell. He lets anger drive him and nothing he says is landing at all until he takes that shot at Jimmy's moms. The political threat was there as well, one of the things I mentioned.

Different strokes my friend.

 

[mronegative]

I watched Jackie Brown for the first time a few weeks ago and really wasn't impressed. I was really curious what people saw in the film and what they were so "wowed" about. Just didn't do much for me.

It's still Pulp Fiction and then Django as my favorite Tarantino films

I'll admit it's proly one of the weaker films in his filmography but I liked it for what it was (although I hated Samuel Jackson's hair). It's one of QT's most straight foward films. It may even be his lone attempt at making something kinda mainstream. One of the great things about QT's movies is his gift of dialog & that's the one thing Jackie Brown has. I also love the casting of Pam Grier & Robert Forster. Also loved De Niro playing essentially a schmuck low life.

Yea, Jackie Brown is Tarantino making a straight Elmore Leonard film. The same way people act like Death Proof isn't really Tarantino...this is kinda like that but even more earnest. There's nothing really extra or exaggerated about it. No pretension or genre breaks or really chopped up narrative like most Tarantinos. I just really liked it for that.

After seeing it, I think Django had about as much in common with Jackie Brown as it did with Inglourious and Kill Bill.

lol I recorded Jackie brown last night. Saw it was on after the ASG. gonna watch it, but I forgot TNT doesn't have curses so I may delete it

Yea, you might as well.
It started at a kinda weird time too, so it probably cut the ending off.

 

[mronegative]

I seen that **** as cold as hell. He lets anger drive him and nothing he says is landing at all until he takes that shot at Jimmy's moms. The political threat was there as well, one of the things I mentioned.

Different strokes my friend.

I understand everything that was going on.

Just... "You've had your last meal in this place!"

A little more with feeling.....man, say it with ya chest.

Same everything, different actor...what it could've been vs. what it was.

 

[CP1708]

If Jackie B is your worst film, you are a MASTER.

Jackie would be most director's 3rd-4th best film. It's dude's 8th. ****.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Didn't someone mention the Hannibal TV series coming soon? I didn't know it had Mads Mikkelsen (Le Chiffre from Casino Royale) cast as Lecter as well as Hugh Dancy and Laurence Fishburne. That's a nice cast... Just came across the trailer for the series that premieres Thursday April 4th @ 10AM...

 

[cash money 1999]

Tarantino on TNT shouldn't exist. If you have Netflix Instant its available to stream

you mother lovin mother trucker

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Long Distance Revolutionary: A Journey with Mumia Abu-Jamal

I'm looking forward to seeing this...

 

[duba169]

Hope the incredible Burt wonderstone is good. Love Jim carry, but I'm worried about Steve carrel

 

[Bend_The_Knee]

Room 237 worth watching?

 

[mronegative]

I'm def gonna look out for that Hannibal show. I'll watch anything by Bryan Fuller. Wonderfalls, Dead Like Me, all the best parts of Heroes.

He's right up there with Whedon in my book.

 

[lawdog1]

Hope the incredible Burt wonderstone is good. Love Jim carry, but I'm worried about Steve carrel

Always a legitimate concern if you ask me.