Osama Bin Laden is dead

[callhimar]

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Scroll down to the interview with Robert Fisk. Very good.

 

[lobotomybeats]

Turns out it wasn't a Navy Seal that shot him at all. It was actually Seal in an Old Navy Performance Fleece.

 

[lobotomybeats]

Turns out it wasn't a Navy Seal that shot him at all. It was actually Seal in an Old Navy Performance Fleece.

 

[ignantbliss]

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Turns out it wasn't a Navy Seal that shot him at all. It was actually Seal in an Old Navy Performance Fleece.

 

[ignantbliss]

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Turns out it wasn't a Navy Seal that shot him at all. It was actually Seal in an Old Navy Performance Fleece.

 

[160jordansdeep]

Originally Posted by MrPolow23

who is this ?

 

[160jordansdeep]

Originally Posted by MrPolow23

who is this ?

 

[hazeleyed honey]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

I'm not claiming that. I'm claiming they didn't help the FOREIGN mujahideen. It's not written in any official documents that I'm aware of. The quotes you provided are claims made by Ahmed Rashid, not actual official document. They state that the CIA through the ISI wanted to actively recruit foreign fighters (a claim which I don't believe/haven't seen official evidence for), not that they funded/armed them. 

So again, yes operation cyclone armed mujahideen... native mujahideen.The US never directly armed/trained foreign Arab Afghans/al-Qaeda/Bin Laden. Look at the title of the article. Taliban, not al-Qaeda.

Where do you think a schorlarly authors like Ahmad Rashid gets his info from? It was not written explicitly "we shall help foreign mujahideen" in official documents (they never make it that clear in documents for the public of course because it is top secret) but the intent for it was EXACTLY just for that. Yes, they wanted to do that and it is exactly what transpired.These funds they sent to the ISI, what do you think their aim was for???? The money went to ALL fighters from all over the Muslim countries, not only the Afghan mujahideen. The organization for the fight against the Soviets was not only the local mujahideen. There were tons of training camps for Muslim radicals recruited from many Muslim countries, they ALL fought together in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Why do you expect the U.S. money would go to the local Afghans, and not the foreign fighters? It went to ALL of them. They were all fighting in factions together in Afghanistan.

Like I repeatedly stated, Carter and Reagan and the CIA provided overt and covert financial aid, arms, and training through the National Directive 166, Operation Cyclone, and the Reagan Doctrine, as well as from the Golden Crescent drug trade. I showed you how it was cleamly emphasized they did. You just want to stick believing it was a myth when it is a FACT this was all actually true. They did not only help out local mujahideens. It is known,documented, and stated, as well as government officials who admit that the fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan helped recruit and FUND Muslim radicals from different Muslim countries. If you read all the articles I provided to you, how can you not get that? You have tons of CIA chiefs and officials admitting to it and to Osama's role in fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan and not only the local mujahideen, but the foreign fighters receiving aid from the U.S. All these men were together, why would the locals receive aid, not not the foreign fighters? It is just a common known fact. Along with native Afghan mujahideen were Muslim volunteers from other countries, popularly known as Afghan Arabs and they received funding too of course. The most famous of the Afghan Arabs was Osama Bin Laden and he is not a local Afghan, and he fought alongside other Muslim radicals from different countries and Afghans. That is what I am trying to emphasize to you that this is all factual. Osama was in the Islamic Jihad Mujahideen in Afghanistan during the war which it is factual that this organization received support and funding channeled through the CIA. 

You stick to believe what you want, but this is just common sense and it is known and widely reported.



  

 

[hazeleyed honey]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

I'm not claiming that. I'm claiming they didn't help the FOREIGN mujahideen. It's not written in any official documents that I'm aware of. The quotes you provided are claims made by Ahmed Rashid, not actual official document. They state that the CIA through the ISI wanted to actively recruit foreign fighters (a claim which I don't believe/haven't seen official evidence for), not that they funded/armed them. 

So again, yes operation cyclone armed mujahideen... native mujahideen.The US never directly armed/trained foreign Arab Afghans/al-Qaeda/Bin Laden. Look at the title of the article. Taliban, not al-Qaeda.

Where do you think a schorlarly authors like Ahmad Rashid gets his info from? It was not written explicitly "we shall help foreign mujahideen" in official documents (they never make it that clear in documents for the public of course because it is top secret) but the intent for it was EXACTLY just for that. Yes, they wanted to do that and it is exactly what transpired.These funds they sent to the ISI, what do you think their aim was for???? The money went to ALL fighters from all over the Muslim countries, not only the Afghan mujahideen. The organization for the fight against the Soviets was not only the local mujahideen. There were tons of training camps for Muslim radicals recruited from many Muslim countries, they ALL fought together in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Why do you expect the U.S. money would go to the local Afghans, and not the foreign fighters? It went to ALL of them. They were all fighting in factions together in Afghanistan.

Like I repeatedly stated, Carter and Reagan and the CIA provided overt and covert financial aid, arms, and training through the National Directive 166, Operation Cyclone, and the Reagan Doctrine, as well as from the Golden Crescent drug trade. I showed you how it was cleamly emphasized they did. You just want to stick believing it was a myth when it is a FACT this was all actually true. They did not only help out local mujahideens. It is known,documented, and stated, as well as government officials who admit that the fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan helped recruit and FUND Muslim radicals from different Muslim countries. If you read all the articles I provided to you, how can you not get that? You have tons of CIA chiefs and officials admitting to it and to Osama's role in fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan and not only the local mujahideen, but the foreign fighters receiving aid from the U.S. All these men were together, why would the locals receive aid, not not the foreign fighters? It is just a common known fact. Along with native Afghan mujahideen were Muslim volunteers from other countries, popularly known as Afghan Arabs and they received funding too of course. The most famous of the Afghan Arabs was Osama Bin Laden and he is not a local Afghan, and he fought alongside other Muslim radicals from different countries and Afghans. That is what I am trying to emphasize to you that this is all factual. Osama was in the Islamic Jihad Mujahideen in Afghanistan during the war which it is factual that this organization received support and funding channeled through the CIA. 

You stick to believe what you want, but this is just common sense and it is known and widely reported.



  

 

[finallyfamous]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR


Reactions: Bin Ladens Death
Scroll down to the interview with Robert Fisk. Very good.

Dude was in London just chillin' in the hotel lobby 

. 
Great interview. 

 

[finallyfamous]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR


Reactions: Bin Ladens Death
Scroll down to the interview with Robert Fisk. Very good.

Dude was in London just chillin' in the hotel lobby 

. 
Great interview. 

 

[greenbean]

Just looked at the Bin Laden family tree

he has about 20 kids (no exact number is know cause some family members want NO relation to him)

and I must say some of his daughters can get it

 

[greenbean]

Just looked at the Bin Laden family tree

he has about 20 kids (no exact number is know cause some family members want NO relation to him)

and I must say some of his daughters can get it

 

[hazeleyed honey]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Both groups recruited foreign fighters. The United States, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan worked in tandem to recruit the group that would later be called the Afghan Arabs. They also trained them and provided them weapons. We built the base in the mountains of Tora Bora for the. All of this is widely known. It's so widely known that the entire story was laid out in the New York Times article on Bin Ladens life from yesterday. 

Bin Laden began traveling beyond the border into Afghanistan in 1982, bringing with him construction machinery and recruits. In 1984, he and Mr. Azzam began setting up guesthouses in Peshawar, which was the first stop for holy warriors on their way to Afghanistan. With the money they had raised in Saudi Arabia, they established the Office of Services, which branched out across the world to recruit young jihadists.

The recruits were known as the Afghan Arabs, though they came from all over the world, and their numbers were estimated as high as 20,000. By 1986, Bin Laden had begun setting up training camps for them as well, and he was paying roughly $25,000 a month to subsidize them.

The flood of young men following him to Afghanistan prompted the founding of Al Qaeda. The genesis was essentially bureaucratic; Bin Laden wanted a way to track the men so he could tell their families what had happened to them. The documentation that Al Qaeda provided became a primitive database of young jihadists.

Through the looking glass of Sept. 11, it seemed ironic that the Americans and Osama bin Laden had fought on the same side against the Soviets in Afghanistan — as if the Americans had somehow created the Bin Laden monster by providing arms and cash to the Arabs. The complex at Tora Bora where Qaeda members hid had been created with the help of the C.I.A. as a base for the Afghans fighting the Soviets.

Bin Laden himself described the fight in Afghanistan this way: “There I received volunteers who came from the Saudi kingdom and from all over the Arab and Muslim countries. I set up my first camp where these volunteers were trained by Pakistani and American officers. The weapons were supplied by the Americans, the money by the Saudis.

 

[joeykadesh]

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Turns out it wasn't a Navy Seal that shot him at all. It was actually Seal in an Old Navy Performance Fleece.

That was really really really really Bad my dude

 

[hazeleyed honey]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Both groups recruited foreign fighters. The United States, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan worked in tandem to recruit the group that would later be called the Afghan Arabs. They also trained them and provided them weapons. We built the base in the mountains of Tora Bora for the. All of this is widely known. It's so widely known that the entire story was laid out in the New York Times article on Bin Ladens life from yesterday. 

Bin Laden began traveling beyond the border into Afghanistan in 1982, bringing with him construction machinery and recruits. In 1984, he and Mr. Azzam began setting up guesthouses in Peshawar, which was the first stop for holy warriors on their way to Afghanistan. With the money they had raised in Saudi Arabia, they established the Office of Services, which branched out across the world to recruit young jihadists.

The recruits were known as the Afghan Arabs, though they came from all over the world, and their numbers were estimated as high as 20,000. By 1986, Bin Laden had begun setting up training camps for them as well, and he was paying roughly $25,000 a month to subsidize them.

The flood of young men following him to Afghanistan prompted the founding of Al Qaeda. The genesis was essentially bureaucratic; Bin Laden wanted a way to track the men so he could tell their families what had happened to them. The documentation that Al Qaeda provided became a primitive database of young jihadists.

Through the looking glass of Sept. 11, it seemed ironic that the Americans and Osama bin Laden had fought on the same side against the Soviets in Afghanistan — as if the Americans had somehow created the Bin Laden monster by providing arms and cash to the Arabs. The complex at Tora Bora where Qaeda members hid had been created with the help of the C.I.A. as a base for the Afghans fighting the Soviets.

Bin Laden himself described the fight in Afghanistan this way: “There I received volunteers who came from the Saudi kingdom and from all over the Arab and Muslim countries. I set up my first camp where these volunteers were trained by Pakistani and American officers. The weapons were supplied by the Americans, the money by the Saudis.

 

[joeykadesh]

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Turns out it wasn't a Navy Seal that shot him at all. It was actually Seal in an Old Navy Performance Fleece.

That was really really really really Bad my dude

 

[Retroballer]

Originally Posted by CelticsPride34

Originally Posted by CincoSeisDos

Originally Posted by Russ tha G

And they misspelled "tomorrow".

Come on man, they were in a rush 

I may have to go take a pic of this later...

You live in Portland or around it?

 

[Retroballer]

Originally Posted by CelticsPride34

Originally Posted by CincoSeisDos

Originally Posted by Russ tha G

And they misspelled "tomorrow".

Come on man, they were in a rush 

I may have to go take a pic of this later...

You live in Portland or around it?

 

[msaba07]

OSAMA NOT ARMED WHEN KILLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[callhimar]

Originally Posted by Hazeleyed Honey

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Both groups recruited foreign fighters. The United States, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan worked in tandem to recruit the group that would later be called the Afghan Arabs. They also trained them and provided them weapons. We built the base in the mountains of Tora Bora for the. All of this is widely known. It's so widely known that the entire story was laid out in the New York Times article on Bin Ladens life from yesterday. 

Bin Laden began traveling beyond the border into Afghanistan in 1982, bringing with him construction machinery and recruits. In 1984, he and Mr. Azzam began setting up guesthouses in Peshawar, which was the first stop for holy warriors on their way to Afghanistan. With the money they had raised in Saudi Arabia, they established the Office of Services, which branched out across the world to recruit young jihadists.

The recruits were known as the Afghan Arabs, though they came from all over the world, and their numbers were estimated as high as 20,000. By 1986, Bin Laden had begun setting up training camps for them as well, and he was paying roughly $25,000 a month to subsidize them.

The flood of young men following him to Afghanistan prompted the founding of Al Qaeda. The genesis was essentially bureaucratic; Bin Laden wanted a way to track the men so he could tell their families what had happened to them. The documentation that Al Qaeda provided became a primitive database of young jihadists.

Through the looking glass of Sept. 11, it seemed ironic that the Americans and Osama bin Laden had fought on the same side against the Soviets in Afghanistan — as if the Americans had somehow created the Bin Laden monster by providing arms and cash to the Arabs. The complex at Tora Bora where Qaeda members hid had been created with the help of the C.I.A. as a base for the Afghans fighting the Soviets.

Bin Laden himself described the fight in Afghanistan this way: “There I received volunteers who came from the Saudi kingdom and from all over the Arab and Muslim countries. I set up my first camp where these volunteers were trained by Pakistani and American officers. The weapons were supplied by the Americans, the money by the Saudis.

 

[callhimar]

Originally Posted by Hazeleyed Honey

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Both groups recruited foreign fighters. The United States, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan worked in tandem to recruit the group that would later be called the Afghan Arabs. They also trained them and provided them weapons. We built the base in the mountains of Tora Bora for the. All of this is widely known. It's so widely known that the entire story was laid out in the New York Times article on Bin Ladens life from yesterday. 

Bin Laden began traveling beyond the border into Afghanistan in 1982, bringing with him construction machinery and recruits. In 1984, he and Mr. Azzam began setting up guesthouses in Peshawar, which was the first stop for holy warriors on their way to Afghanistan. With the money they had raised in Saudi Arabia, they established the Office of Services, which branched out across the world to recruit young jihadists.

The recruits were known as the Afghan Arabs, though they came from all over the world, and their numbers were estimated as high as 20,000. By 1986, Bin Laden had begun setting up training camps for them as well, and he was paying roughly $25,000 a month to subsidize them.

The flood of young men following him to Afghanistan prompted the founding of Al Qaeda. The genesis was essentially bureaucratic; Bin Laden wanted a way to track the men so he could tell their families what had happened to them. The documentation that Al Qaeda provided became a primitive database of young jihadists.

Through the looking glass of Sept. 11, it seemed ironic that the Americans and Osama bin Laden had fought on the same side against the Soviets in Afghanistan — as if the Americans had somehow created the Bin Laden monster by providing arms and cash to the Arabs. The complex at Tora Bora where Qaeda members hid had been created with the help of the C.I.A. as a base for the Afghans fighting the Soviets.

Bin Laden himself described the fight in Afghanistan this way: “There I received volunteers who came from the Saudi kingdom and from all over the Arab and Muslim countries. I set up my first camp where these volunteers were trained by Pakistani and American officers. The weapons were supplied by the Americans, the money by the Saudis.

 

[msaba07]

OSAMA NOT ARMED WHEN KILLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[greenbean]

Ok sooooooo there was NO security present at the compound........AND Osama WAS NOT ARMED and there was kids by his side soooooooo why did they shoot him twice again and kill him?

all this is coming from the press conference being held right now

 

[greenbean]

Ok sooooooo there was NO security present at the compound........AND Osama WAS NOT ARMED and there was kids by his side soooooooo why did they shoot him twice again and kill him?

all this is coming from the press conference being held right now