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so would you prefer if it was used freely by white people like it was 50 years ago?
Quentin Tarantino's Django Unchained (a Spaghetti Western) scheduled for release Christmas 2012
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so would you prefer if it was used freely by white people like it was 50 years ago?
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He would relish it.
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...that was expected, and that's why no one cares to talk about this, it will continue to be packed with "shock value" for "edgy" entertainers
^this guy can't pick me out of a police lineup but somehow he found "the hidden racist"
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Does QT overdue it a bit? Yes. For shock value and maybe even because he likes that he can "get away with it"
But the fact is, any writer should be allowed to create a character and see the world through that character. A writer should not be forced to second guess themselves on this.
If you want to create a racist character? You should be able to. If you want to create a a white guy who thinks he's down and car away with saying the n word a million times, then as a writer you have that liberty.
if you want to show real people having real conversations...guess what there will be some N bombs in there, some gay slurs, anti-Semitic remarks, Anti-Islam comments whatever. And any writer should be able to write what they feel a character would say, especially in conversations that are meant to appear natural and behind closed doors
And the dead ****** storage can have a big meaning. It may not even be a throw away line for shock value. It gives us a glimpse into the relationship between Jules and QT's character. Think about it, they are probably close if he came right to his house with a dead body. Jules not flipping out after the N word reinforces that they are very familiar with each other and possibly close
But the fact is, any writer should be allowed to create a character and see the world through that character. A writer should not be forced to second guess themselves on this.
If you want to create a racist character? You should be able to. If you want to create a a white guy who thinks he's down and car away with saying the n word a million times, then as a writer you have that liberty.
if you want to show real people having real conversations...guess what there will be some N bombs in there, some gay slurs, anti-Semitic remarks, Anti-Islam comments whatever. And any writer should be able to write what they feel a character would say, especially in conversations that are meant to appear natural and behind closed doors
And the dead ****** storage can have a big meaning. It may not even be a throw away line for shock value. It gives us a glimpse into the relationship between Jules and QT's character. Think about it, they are probably close if he came right to his house with a dead body. Jules not flipping out after the N word reinforces that they are very familiar with each other and possibly close
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exactly, at the VERY LEAST, people should understand this.
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funny thing is, i don't think jimmie in pulp fiction was supposed to be a racist character
his wife bonnie was actually black
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saying the N word doesn't make you racist...
but then again, by just typing what I did, certain NTers will put on their "racist detector glasses" and label me a racist now
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Waaaaaaaaaaah race card.
Open your got damn mind to art and film.
"Dead negro storage" is a statement reflecting the views of a white racist criminal in a racist time.
only blacks can write a movie where they say the n word give me a break.
whites can't write a movie that involves racism, or african american culture
and i guess in order to validate my pissed off opinion I need to state to everyone "I'm black if it matters"
because god forbid I was white I guess my opinion would hold zero value on the issue.
Open your got damn mind to art and film.
"Dead negro storage" is a statement reflecting the views of a white racist criminal in a racist time.
only blacks can write a movie where they say the n word give me a break.
whites can't write a movie that involves racism, or african american culture
and i guess in order to validate my pissed off opinion I need to state to everyone "I'm black if it matters"
because god forbid I was white I guess my opinion would hold zero value on the issue.
Yea because in order for Spike to have a valid opinion as a human being he must constantly create timeless works of art.
Did I say that his opinion wasn't valid? I must have missed that part...
My point is that the only time in the past 5 years that I've heard Spike's name has been when he was commenting on someone else's art.
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Waaaaaaaaaaah race card.
Open your got damn mind to art and film.
"Dead negro storage" is a statement reflecting the views of a white racist criminal in a racist time.
only blacks can write a movie where they say the n word give me a break.
whites can't write a movie that involves racism, or african american culture
and i guess in order to validate my pissed off opinion I need to state to everyone "I'm black if it matters"
because god forbid I was white I guess my opinion would hold zero value on the issue.
like i said earlier, i don't think jimmie was supposed to be a "racist"
his wife that he was talking about was a black woman
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Okay, let's say that Jimmie loved black women, loved black music and culture and thought he was slick and down and could get away with using the N word...
So what?
Are there not white people like that out there?
What's wrong with having a character like that?
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I hear what you're saying, but as far as I'm concerned its criminal lingo is it not?
Serious question in a group of crime bosses, criminals, etc in films have you not heard them refer to "jewish people, women, hispanics (I'm pretty sure this happened in training day if memory serves me correctly) and people of all walks of life in a manner that addresses them by an offensive term?
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I think the film in question was jackie brown. In pulp, the character may have very well been a racist. Nut imo, tarantino is just like a little kid who does something just because he isnt "supposed" to.
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i think i might be coming across a lot more sensitive than i really am
i have no issue with using the n word in mob movies and whatever, because to me it's good to represent the characters for what they really are
Quentin to me comes across like he's using it just because he feels like he can get away with it, or to try to be cool by saying it to that sam jackson character who is supposed to be this dangerous gangster
not because its important to the image of this character he's trying to create
that's just my interpretation though
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yup... because the "only black people can say it" argument
he probably feels like he popped the collar on a weathered leather jacket right now
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why do white people want to say it so much anyway? and not expect people to get offended?
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I'd assume it's because they're told they can't.
or did we forget human nature because it's a "sensitive subject"?
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I kinda see both sides though because I had a similar situation that im curious what people think where I woulda swore dude was racist .
I had a group project back in school towards the end of the semester, we all seemed to be working fine together, no problems.
One day we're sitting at the library and a file someone had got deleted.
"******g N. " (hard er)
Wasn't directed at me, more so the situation and the computer but in my eyes it instantly came off as racist.
I had no idea how to handle that situation. In my heart I figured he was just a pos racist on the low, and it slipped cause thats the kind of talk he speaks with his friends.
Curious how some of yall would've handled that?
I had a group project back in school towards the end of the semester, we all seemed to be working fine together, no problems.
One day we're sitting at the library and a file someone had got deleted.
"******g N. " (hard er)
Wasn't directed at me, more so the situation and the computer but in my eyes it instantly came off as racist.
I had no idea how to handle that situation. In my heart I figured he was just a pos racist on the low, and it slipped cause thats the kind of talk he speaks with his friends.
Curious how some of yall would've handled that?
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sounds a bit childish to me
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ok, but childish isn't racist
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You guys know Spike isnt mad cause the n word right? He's mad slavery is being made into this funny western. Not saying I agree but that's his point
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Indeed, usage with zero artistic integrity and no desire to depict things as they truly were for the sake of creating genuine art.
So now you're blatantly using these terms because you feel like it's the cool thing to do. Now I feel like you're taunting me & things like that don't end well in real life.
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You could be correct. Or it could be a grey area where sometimes he does it for shock value. Sometimes he does it for character development.
But att the end of the day he needs to be able to write characters however he see fits.
Art is subjective.
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yea that was spikes reason. Imagine if I made a movie about jews escaping from a concentration camp and subjecting their nazi tormentors to horrors, while using witty dialogue and humorous situations. There'd be a huge backlash.
The n-word thing came about from Spikes general dislike of tarantino
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yeah, although he didn't delve into why he felt it would be disrespectful to his ancestors to watch the film, i can assume it's the exploitative nature of the film
(or how it's come across from the previews at least, since spike hasnt seen it and neither have i)
i can see his point, making an action movie with slavery as the backdrop
