Rap About Nothing: Hip Hop Chat Thread

[6pac]

In the history of rap in general, how many non street tied/street affiliated rappers have actually reached the upper echelon?

Andre
Ye
Pharrell
Talib/Lupe/Mos Def
Currensy
Wiz
Devin the Dude
Cole
Drake

Its a few but they always needed that street ***** co sign. or they were strictly in the conscious or weed lane.

 

[jayfiend]

and some people collect trash. Does that make it art?



no bar, and no rules

Not it doesn’t make it art. But why are you worrying about what they’re collecting?

This idea that it’s not enough “traditional” rappers out is nonsense it’s plenty. A lot of people in here just hate that they aren’t the ones leading the way. And honestly some of that is their on fault.

Quality > quantity yes. But while you’re favorite rapper taking two years to drop a album. This mumble rapper got 4-5 mixtapes out and the clubs going crazy. Can’t hate on that kid because he’s grinding.

It was somebody in here that sad dudes that like drake was raised by women or some ****. What type of hating *** **** is that.

You hate that man to the point where if somebody likes his music they’re soft too. That’s nonsense.

I don’t like the blue face dude at all scroll right pas his vids when posted in here. Don’t call the people who like him lame. It’s a lot of that in this thread.

 

[6pac]

Boyyy

6pac

Savani is the trap Hype Williams too. That ***** invented a whole aesthetic.

 

[wavycrocket]

this deserved a video

had the baby feature before yo really blew. Oct 2017. Woulda took Skola outta here he dropped that in February. Shorty caught a lil case though. Slowed down the momentum crazy.

Baltimore city cops the worst. **** eaters. Flat haters. Either the streets goin take you out round here, or the knockers going dim your light. Wicked

 

[str8drop]

its the whole package and you better make that right first impression

i see what both str8drop and ty is saying

im not gonna lie...this generation...2016-2017 and beyond...who really was an artist to make it without being a street artist, having the shenanigans, or some type of co-sign/connection...only one i can think of is X (who arguably had shenanigans to initially get on, but simoultaneously he was building his sht from the mud) and Russ. And we see how polarizing Russ is for just saying a lot of borderline true ****.

thats why everyone so thugged out even tho they might have just sold a lil weed if that...lmao *****s dont have nothing else interesting to rap about if you not finna take the Russ lane of complaining or talking about what other rappers do lol

you definitely gotta have the complete package the first time people see you and for most people the easiest **** to do is to be on some street ****

most people lives are boring so they wanna live vicariously through other ****

Thats why I don't like the "just be yourself like currensy" stuff. this dude was blowing down pounds on the daily, touring the world with the hottest rapper and racing rally cars and snowboarding with the ******* owner of DC skateboards . its easy as hell to "just be yourself" when thats already your life pre rap fame

 

[6pac]

most people lives are boring so they wanna live vicariously through other ****

Thats why I don't like the "just be yourself like currensy" stuff. this dude was blowing down pounds on the daily, touring the world with the hottest rapper and racing rally cars and snowboarding with the ****ing owner of DC skateboards . its easy as hell to "just be yourself" when thats already your life pre rap fame

i wish i could find it but Nudy manager had a great tweet that went people either listen to rap because its super relatable or they live vicariously through the rappers bc its so far away from their own life.

people like kodak and youngboy provide a sense of both bc they have the war stories but also relatable struggle ethos.

 

[6pac]

however i could see a weed rapper taking off today if the music and aesthetic was right. its mostly about visibility. some guns and **** gonna spread faster than bars about chilling and smoking weed.

or anything you replace that last sentence with

 

[iamdef]

i wish i could find it but Nudy manager had a great tweet that went people either listen to rap because its super relatable or they live vicariously through the rappers bc its so far away from their own life..

Which is why I wasn't much of a fan of Cole's music. He rapped too much about being a square in his youth, and as a square in my youth I'd rather not re-live such events

 

[wavycrocket]

Aye...Spitta with Prime Wayne was fire

 

[6pac]

Aye...Spitta with Prime Wayne was fire

i needed an album from this era man.

@ 1:00

i been wearing bapes since ****** thought they was bootleg Nikes

 

[str8drop]

however i could see a weed rapper taking off today if the music and aesthetic was right. its mostly about visibility. some guns and **** gonna spread faster than bars about chilling and smoking weed.

or anything you replace that last sentence with

Idk man the weed **** kinda maxed out, _’s grandmas smoking dispensary weed now lol if you a rapper they expect you to at least smoke weed

I think that’s a part of why _’s moved on to pushing harder “edgier” drugs tho

 

[numbah1grimey]

Bro Curren$y fanbase ain't grow & stick with him because of any of the things you mentioned.. they did because he puts out quality music that is unique to him & his fanbase, & has focused solely on that. If anything people seeing him off YM & assuming him & wayne had "beef" hurt him get off the ground more than it helped.

But the main point is that you very well can create a nice fan base & tour w/o doing the stupid clown ****, AS LONG AS YOU MAKE GOOD MUSIC & provide something that isn't easily duplicated.

Is it a longer road, yes.... will it last longer and be more beneficial 95% of the time yes.

Can’t keep a real n_ down. Curren$y is the definition of talent, work ethic, and connecting with his fanbase.

Currensy don’t do clown ish to be relative. Curren$y is the anti-Game. Who’s older than Curren$y, but is a complete clown. Fab, Curren$y, and Rick Ross got that quality where people eff with them off the humble. Fab and Ross have more controversy tied to them but, they the kind of guys that can do stuff, and laugh at themselves.

Unlike corny guys like 50, Game, 69, etc.

NOBODY IN MY HOOD plays 69. I mean, you probably got those weirdo pill popping kids from the suburbs but. Kids here were more on XXX cause he’s from Broward. I don’t mess with either of their music but, I respect XXX’s fanbase.

If you’re a 69 fan, you’re a boy-loving fan with a horrendous taste in music

 

[str8drop]

I randomly found a old *** fly society shirt at my mama house a while back

 

[numbah1grimey]

The antics bring attention, talent keeps that attention.
There's PLENTY of untalented dudes that have the antics that will NEVER reach where 69 got.

What talent 69 got? Except knowing how to dye his hair rainbow? And be a boy-lover?

 

[numbah1grimey]

You can’t just drop good music and get the fans to flock to you with money out ready to spend, not how it work , _’s gotta have context for the music. All that **** got him his early fans and gave his music context/awareness. A lot of _’s wouldn’t of even known who the **** he was

You gonna tell me with a straight face _’s like Currensy and Wiz didn’t get a lot of fans from being lowkey gimmick weed rappers that dabbled into skateboarding etc at its peak? Yes they shed that eventually once they got traction but you gotta get traction FIRST

My point is everybody gotta have a brand/marketing bro. Street rappers are in such abundance because it’s a easy brand to market and has been since the 90s but if you not street you def gotta gave something else to offer

Gimmick? How was Curren$y a “gimmick”? He truly WAS a weed head. The man dropped TONS of quality mixtapes from 2006-2010. He was dropping 2 mixtapes every quarter. With organic beats, and industry beats. He never faked anything.

 

[wavycrocket]

I randomly found a old *** fly society shirt at my mama house a while back

Was literally bumping how fly yesterday on a flight

Jets *****



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[Maximus Meridius]

We all know every rapper needs/has a image they push. The issue (if that's how you wanna put it) is when rappers are over the top minstrel show characters. Desiigner, 69 those types. Whether it's over the top dumb "turnt up" or over the top gangster rapper. It can last for a certain amount of time but at some point this same microwave era that built them up are gonna say "ok, next...". The blueface dude, his buzz feels the same way.

Andre
Ye
Pharrell
Talib/Lupe/Mos Def
Currensy
Wiz
Devin the Dude
Cole
Drake

Its a few but they always needed that street ***** co sign. or they were strictly in the conscious or weed lane.

Devin never been a star. He coulda been but he's never done any interviews, rarely got video or radio play back when radio and videos meant alot. I would add Common and The Roots to that list.

 

[iamdef]

What talent 69 got? Except knowing how to dye his hair rainbow? And be a boy-lover?

Considering the number of people that fail to make a single chart topping song and 69 made a number of them. There's talent. Whether you want to respect is on you

 

[numbah1grimey]

As far as 69 in relation to that lil article, he was somewhat working a different move predicated on actual real deal street perception (not just SoundCloud flagging) and that’s what brought him into the black cultural radar

Lil Pump, Bhad Bhabie etc lowkey operate almost outside of black culture i.e. the average black person on social media not posting about them or even know wtf they got going on. 69 being w Shotti nem was actually able to tap into both sides

Sooooo.... without Shotti, he’d be... Lil Pump? That’s the gist of the conversation. They found some mark (69) and extorted him into oblivion

 

[nawghtyhare]

Aye...Spitta with Prime Wayne was fire

im a pimp
but i don't move wit a pimp cup
id rather keep my drinks in a a thermos

 

[str8drop]

We all know every rapper needs/has a image they push. The issue (if that's how you wanna put it) is when rappers are over the top minstrel show characters. Desiigner, 69 those types. Whether it's over the top dumb "turnt up" or over the top gangster rapper. It can last for a certain amount of time but at some point this same microwave era that built them up are gonna say "ok, next...". The blueface dude, his buzz feels the same way.

Yeah I feel that fasho

I think a lot of _’s are just lost and confused in this wild Wild West era.

A lot of these labels don’t even wanna talk to you until you already popping and got fans, so they out here tryna manufacture something out of nothing

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Tekayshi had the son of the biggest label behind him. There's a lot of **** going on behind the scene we didn't know about. Tekayshi has zero talent, he was just the first to really go as far as he did with the antics and the label head's son signed him and pushed him.

And this can't be ignored. He had connected people pushing him.

And even if we did say 69 has talent, it's something that's easily duplicated. We can't say Casanova is trash then say 69 is talented. They basically the same. It's all get hype music.

 

[numbah1grimey]

In the history of rap in general, how many non street tied/street affiliated rappers have actually reached the upper echelon?

Kanye, LL Cool J, Andre 3000, Common, they’re are plenty. Today, it’s different though.

I don’t really consider some of these new dudes as streets. The streets ain’t even what they use to be in the 70s, 80s, 90s. Gentrification, and people just being softer.

I don’t know what to define the streets as in 2018 and beyond.

 

[6pac]

Gimmick? How was Curren$y a “gimmick”? He truly WAS a weed head. The man dropped TONS of quality mixtapes from 2006-2010. He was dropping 2 mixtapes every quarter. With organic beats, and industry beats. He never faked anything.

not a gimmick necessarily but something to brand himself.

they were pushing a lifestyle. that was what ****** burned to before and after school. the taylor gang/jet life merch, the sneakers. it was an easy lifestyle for teenagers who werent street dudes to emulate.

i know dudes who still got taylor gang/jetlife related social media names from 8-9 years ago in their early 20’s.

 

[6pac]

Kanye, LL Cool J, Andre 3000, Common, they’re are plenty. Today, it’s different though.

I don’t really consider some of these new dudes as streets. The streets ain’t even what they use to be in the 70s, 80s, 90s. Gentrification, and people just being softer.

I don’t know what to define the streets as in 2018 and beyond.

****** sell a lil recreational weed to people and maybe keep a pistol with em and they tommy bunds

or the dudes who start selling weed in college and think thats the same as...lol