Rap About Nothing: Hip Hop Chat Thread

[servechilled81]

evolved, yes advanced, enh..

 

[marikomorose]

... which is exactly why I mentioned bethoveen. Man been dead over 400 years and still got popular music.

Don’t let them find out chuck taylors were invented in 1920.... or that Jordan 1s were designed in 1984.... god forbid we wear older model kicks

**** everyone else, wear what you want.

 

[JRaW’d]

Again, who?

This is why I'm like can we have names. It sounds good to say "the genre has advanced so much, you guys are just stuck in the past!!".

Ok cool, now who are these guys that are more advanced skill wise and quality of music?

Lupe.

dudes were nowhere near close to where he is in skillset back in those days.

perfect example of advancement in lyrical exercise.

 

[finessence]

(not any of y’all)

But I know who’s parents ain’t let them come outside in the 90s or 2000s when certain songs came out. Verzuz comments be letting me know who was off the porch or who had strict parents

All of us in here listen to new artists, we just have respect for all eras. Some
People don’t which is cool.

Again, 10-20 years from now, Future, Drake etc gone be nostalgic legacy acts....

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[Magic33]

While I'm thinking about it



RIP Kid Hood

 

[trynafeelmink]

even if he did name some current artist/projects that are technically better than prominent albums from the “golden era”, you and people like you would never allow yourselves to see it bc of nostalgia and the pedestal youve placed those albums on over the years.

its not even about the actual MUSIC for alotta people. its about “xyz is what im supposed to think and anything outside of that is sacrilege”.

s*** is not automatically better just bc it was released during your formative years.

Bro your speaking as if The Music wasn't heard outside of people who were around in that era. there's always going to be easily influenced people but that doesn't account for the majority of the fans. there's a whole new generation worldwide who pick up this music & love it because it's great music. people have been able to go back & revisit these same albums for 20+ years because it's Great music.

And to point out that "what im supposed to think" mindset as if we don't live in this current era is kinda wild .

Simply put ,there's a clear variance in what people want out of their favorite rappers & what sound they prefer. However taking some of the greatest works of the genre & acting as if they're only revered because of nostalgia & perception it really really devalues the work.

We getting to a point where it's unfathomable to people that Some of the greatest projects of all time can holdup with the new era & captivate new audiences off quality & talent alone? We make our **** so disposable.

 

[wavycrocket]

Advanced backwards.

Your sports analogy is sort of trash, because players are more talented and athletic now, because of individualized skills being practiced and honed.

Now lyricism which is supposed to be at the center of being a rapper is at a early 80's level, because it's about having a good time and having fun.

The parallel is spot on. The “all they do is shoot 3s” and “game is soft/watered down” is the same **** y’all do with rap.

Let it go. Appreciate the NEW LEGENDS. Rap HAS advanced. It’s changed too.

It’s really simple.

Also, the mixtape era of the 2000-2015 was a huge advancement in PROJECTS etc.

Sounds and regions too

 

[wavycrocket]

This who y’all sound like:




4:55 mark







I posted a vid of Dr. J, in the mid 90s (Golden era) saying MJ was playing in a watered down league, and couldn’t handle the 70s/80s etc . Y’all are officially those guys.

Y’all also sound like the 80s/90s players who hated the iso ball era….because they lacked “fundamentals” and were ruining the game.

It is not impossible to recognize the generational guys that are great in any era…while also acknowledging the advancement in sound/music.

Lyricism, wordplay, production has improved since 99-00. Even the mid 00s.

Y’all were just cracking on the beat consequence used the other day. But that was “hot” in 04. A lot of stuff didn’t age as well, and people improved upon those sounds. People improved on flows. Peoples ideas and concept of what “lyricism” is, also improved/changed and broadened.

Godlen era was great. It got better. It’s just MORE of everything right now. But the cream always rises. There have been a lot of projects and rappers that have put out quality and quantity than those in the previous eras. And improved upon their predecessors.

That’s ok. Rap ain’t perfect. And it can get better.

 

[JRaW’d]

Bro your speaking as if The Music wasn't heard outside of people who were around in that era. there's always going to be easily influenced people but that doesn't account for the majority of the fans. there's a whole new generation worldwide who pick up this music & love it because it's great music. people have been able to go back & revisit these same albums for 20+ years because it's Great music.

And to point out that "what im supposed to think" mindset as if we don't live in this current era is kinda wild .

Simply put ,there's a clear variance in what people want out of their favorite rappers & what sound they prefer. However taking some of the greatest works of the genre & acting as if they're only revered because of nostalgia & perception it really really devalues the work.

I never said they’re ONLY revered bc of nostalgia but that is a major factor in why most are not able to objectively step back and analyze some of those albums for what they are or are not.

theres simply a different type of connection to those old albums bc of how music was consumed @ the time.

The videos, mtv, bet, the box, radio, hearing people blasting music outta their cars, word of mouth. These were major factors in consumption of music back in those days. That kinda stuff leaves and imprint in peoples brain. Not to mention, YOUTH. Those golden era albums
Were released when we were young and impressionable.

Outside of nt, People don’t even be knowing who tf i be listening to these days. The saturation of rappers in addition to internet consumption makes for a less impactful personal tie in but some current MUSIC, can def be compared and contrasted with older work.

 

[Magic33]

The parallel is spot on. The “all they do is shoot 3s” and “game is soft/watered down” is the same **** y’all do with rap.

Let it go. Appreciate the NEW LEGENDS. Rap HAS advanced. It’s changed too.

It’s really simple.

Also, the mixtape era of the 2000-2015 was a huge advancement in PROJECTS etc.

Sounds and regions too

New legends

You're going to have a Verzuz in 20 years on who can harmonize the best while saying absolutely nothing.

 

[wavycrocket]

New legends

You're going to have a Verzuz in 20 years on who can harmonize the best while saying absolutely nothing.

I have no clue who will be the “‘new legends” in 2041. Or how some of the current, bubbling on the verge cats will advance/change.

But this very same thread in 2005…would’ve LAUGHED at the idea that Ross, Gucci, Jeezy, Boosie, Fab….etc, would be considered in elite rap company.

And they are. And rightfully so. That tour should be lit.

 

[$tacy]

Y’all wasting y’all time honestly

they gotta add a Detroit date to that tour tho. Ross, Gucci and boosie concert Sunday got canceled. I need to be in that ***

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I Got The Hook Up on netflix

 

[TipsyMcStagga]

One could definitely argue that skill set and lyricism has regressed in hip hop while production has evolved.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

 

[marikomorose]

Again, who?

This is why I'm like can we have names. It sounds good to say "the genre has advanced so much, you guys are just stuck in the past!!".

Ok cool, now who are these guys that are more advanced skill wise and quality of music?

Here's 35 n older. There's way more, but here:

 

[tay1]

 

[marikomorose]

 

[Maximus Meridius]

This who y’all sound like:




4:55 mark







I posted a vid of Dr. J, in the mid 90s (Golden era) saying MJ was playing in a watered down league, and couldn’t handle the 70s/80s etc . Y’all are officially those guys.

Y’all also sound like the 80s/90s players who hated the iso ball era….because they lacked “fundamentals” and were ruining the game.

It is not impossible to recognize the generational guys that are great in any era…while also acknowledging the advancement in sound/music.

Lyricism, wordplay, production has improved since 99-00. Even the mid 00s.

Y’all were just cracking on the beat consequence used the other day. But that was “hot” in 04. A lot of stuff didn’t age as well, and people improved upon those sounds. People improved on flows. Peoples ideas and concept of what “lyricism” is, also improved/changed and broadened.

Godlen era was great. It got better. It’s just MORE of everything right now. But the cream always rises. There have been a lot of projects and rappers that have put out quality and quantity than those in the previous eras. And improved upon their predecessors.

That’s ok. Rap ain’t perfect. And it can get better.

This is a big extreme and comparing sports where dudes literally go head to head against one another to music where everything is subjective and dudes can hide behind beats, use auto tune, and other tricks to cover up their lack of talent. There is no auto tune equivalent in the sports world. There is no "I can easily jump on this sound, copy this style and become a star" equivalent in sports. All this talk and we only one name of how rappers now have passed up and advanced passed rappers from the 90's.

 

[TipsyMcStagga]

So Jay was talking about Dehaven again on that verse from Drake's album huh

 

[wavycrocket]

This is a big extreme and comparing sports where dudes literally go head to head against one another to music where everything is subjective and dudes can hide behind beats, use auto tune, and other tricks to cover up their lack of talent. There is no auto tune equivalent in the sports world. There is no "I can easily jump on this sound, copy this style and become a star" equivalent in sports. All this talk and we only one name of how rappers now have passed up and advanced passed rappers from the 90's.

“no hand checking”
“Freedom of movement”
“3 point line”
“No big man in paint”
“No defense played”

These are things you know the previous generation says, that say it’s way easier today, than before. And why their time was better/tougher/harder to make it etc.

Stop fronting . And there are a few mid-late 00s rappers that have advanced, matched or surpassed some 90s rappers. Have some of them knocked off Big/Pac? Maybe not. But some are knocking on the door, or have the body of work. Same with all these years and a few names only come in the top 10ish area of basketball.

Basketball is subjective as hell too. Stop the

 

[MajinZuub]

 

[MajinZuub]

Roc A Fella Cam>>

 

[cragmatic]

One could definitely argue that skill set and lyricism has regressed in hip hop while production has evolved.

In the mainstream yeah absolutely, but there are a lot of great lyricists still doing it. Someone mentioned Lupe and yeah, he’s still one of the best, he just gets no credit and no play lol