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Originally Posted by Caerus
I will always believe if this never occured, he would still be coaching and healthy. Just me though
JewSeeJay:
as a psu alum
Oh.JewSeeJay:
For 30 yrs hes been makin a positive impact on,every1 he touches
Not EVERYone. There's that whole 'child sex ring' that took place right under his umbrella. I'm sure those little boys who are now men don't agree that EVERYone around Joe had a better life because of him.JewSeeJay:
joes contributions saved countlesssssss numbers of lives, whether it be thru mentoring, donations, or jus bein that father figure alotta kids didnt have...
"Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability." -John Wooden
Originally Posted by blacklion23
Originally Posted by Caerus
I will always believe if this never occured, he would still be coaching and healthy. Just me though
I believe this as well.
Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
HELL of a coincidence that he passes away soon after all of that nonsense happens. I know yall like to think everything is coincidence but damn. Makes you think?
Anyone have any "conspiracies."
Originally Posted by DaJoka004
I will forever hate Penn State. I can't wait for them to come to UVa next season.
Originally Posted by sillyputty
Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
HELL of a coincidence that he passes away soon after all of that nonsense happens. I know yall like to think everything is coincidence but damn. Makes you think?
Anyone have any "conspiracies."
Not at all.
Stress and stuff like public humiliation leads to depression (with related physical markers like elevated cortisol levels etc.) and overall deterioration of the body, especially when dealing with disease.
Thats why people try to keep their spirits up. Placebos are powerful things because they allow us to not beat ourselves up and ruminate over things we think are helping us. Theres tons of studies on this stuff.
Thats why with older couples, when a spouse dies, its very real that the other person might die soon after just because of the stress and feelings they have towards their lost companion.
The only conspiracy here is that hes an 85 year old man who was already sick with a fairly untreatable disease at his stage and was going to die sooner or later. I'm sure the behind-the-scenes nature of the controversy weighed heavily on him and he couldn't take it.
Lets also take this time to compare the losers at penn state doing futile things like "keeping snow off of statues" to the blinded, almost religious cult members that they are.
Such a vapid ritual, devoid of meaning and purpose, especially in light of the allegations against him.
Penn State students again show why they don't deserve the respect of national media.
That thread was an abomination.Originally Posted by Proshares
This is that stupid %+*%%*+ 80 page thread all over again
...I'm outta here. *deuces*Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
HELL of a coincidence that he passes away soon after all of that nonsense happens. I know yall like to think everything is coincidence but damn. Makes you think?
Anyone have any "conspiracies."
I don't see idiots cheering and supporting a human being who allowed children to be raped under his watch on my Grounds.Originally Posted by af1 1982
Originally Posted by DaJoka004
I will forever hate Penn State. I can't wait for them to come to UVa next season.
Easily the dumbest thing posted in this thread. Hate Joe Pa, hate everything he stands for, hate Sandusky and everyone involved in this horrible scandal. But hate the actual school for all this? Hate the students and faculty that had nothing to do with this? C'mon fam you're smarter than that. It's a very frustrating and angering situation for the entire country and all of humanity that something went down like this. Don't let your emotions control your rationale.
Yes, you correct on everything you said and I agree with you. But remember 2,500/45,000 people "rioted. Not all 45,000.Originally Posted by DaJoka004
I don't see idiots cheering and supporting a human being who allowed children to be raped under his watch on my Grounds.Originally Posted by af1 1982
Originally Posted by DaJoka004
I will forever hate Penn State. I can't wait for them to come to UVa next season.
Easily the dumbest thing posted in this thread. Hate Joe Pa, hate everything he stands for, hate Sandusky and everyone involved in this horrible scandal. But hate the actual school for all this? Hate the students and faculty that had nothing to do with this? C'mon fam you're smarter than that. It's a very frustrating and angering situation for the entire country and all of humanity that something went down like this. Don't let your emotions control your rationale.
Damn, the head of your school even helped to cover it up. I'm going to hate who I want to hate. Your school disgusts me. Especially the handling of the current investigation by your BOT. They have to approve and are allowed to edit a report that may directly implicate them? %*!#$$**.
Look at post #120 in this thread...I'd be curious to know your (as well as anyone else's) viewpoint after reading through that article.Originally Posted by cartune
I was indifferent about Paterno in this situation because I wasnt sure what he actually knew.
Then Joe Pa comes out with his side of the story saying he was told vague information and he didnt understand what was really going on. And that McQuery never told him Sandusky was "raping" anyone. McQuery admitting that he didnt tell Paterno much details because he didnt think Paterno in his age would understand.
In hindsight its easy for you couch-saints to say he should have told the FBI to launch a full investigation based on something he didnt see and didnt understand
Should he have followed up? Yes. Should he have done more? Knowing what we conveniently know now Yes.
But you bums dancing on the grave of someone who had nothing to do with the monstrous actions that allegedly occurred need to look at the ugly reflection in the mirror
I'm sure only the people who rioted were the ones who think Paterno is innocent.Originally Posted by af1 1982
Yes, you correct on everything you said and I agree with you. But remember 2,500/45,000 people "rioted. Not all 45,000.Originally Posted by DaJoka004
I don't see idiots cheering and supporting a human being who allowed children to be raped under his watch on my Grounds.Originally Posted by af1 1982
Easily the dumbest thing posted in this thread. Hate Joe Pa, hate everything he stands for, hate Sandusky and everyone involved in this horrible scandal. But hate the actual school for all this? Hate the students and faculty that had nothing to do with this? C'mon fam you're smarter than that. It's a very frustrating and angering situation for the entire country and all of humanity that something went down like this. Don't let your emotions control your rationale.
Damn, the head of your school even helped to cover it up. I'm going to hate who I want to hate. Your school disgusts me. Especially the handling of the current investigation by your BOT. They have to approve and are allowed to edit a report that may directly implicate them? %*!#$$**.
[/font][/h6][h6][font=verdana,sans-serif]I know I sometimes joke about how Penn State sucks and I didn't really like it, but recent events really have uncovered my true admiration and emotional connection to the institution. I feel personally attacked, up to and including the firing of Joe Paterno. I understand the Boards of Trustees had a very difficult decision on their hands, and I'm glad I wasn't one of them in that room debating on whether to end an icon's legacy in shame. And if I feel this way, I can't even imagine how more devoted fans and alumni feel.
[/font][/h6]Anyways, my friend wrote the following on her facebook page and it's words were pretty powerful and I thought I'd share it:
"We know you don't understand. Generally, we don't try to explain. Unless you are a Buckeye or Fighting Irish, you probably don't get how an institution embeds itself in a student's life. And that is fine.
[h6]But right now, we want you to know this:
We are distraught and truly sickened by this horror perpetrated on young victims by one who represented the Blue and White, and perpetuated by others at the University. We aren't blind followers who drink Blue Kool-Aid. We grieve for and with the victims and their families. We pray for them to find healing and peace and a way to live a good life.
We know that while many people had responsibility, the most visible one almost always goes down first. We are not disputing the need for this to happen.
We are not "defending" anything. We are simply crushed and heartbroken. This is not the Penn State we love, the Penn State that is part of our being.
What you know of Joe Paterno probably comes from television or magazine articles.
We know the man who has lived in the same McKee St house for decades. We have chatted with him as he walked to practice. We have eaten ice cream with him at the Creamery. We have studied in the new library wing his money helped build. We have visited the sports museum and spiritual center he also helped build. We have seen him cheering on other Penn State athletes. We know he loves Penn State as much as we do.
Some of our friends, brothers, husbands, sons have been privileged to put on the Blue and White uniform and listen to 100,000 fans in Beaver Stadium. We know how hard they have worked, how much time they have devoted, how many of them have been part of an excellent scholar/athlete legacy...and how much they love this man and this program.
We aren't stupid or naive. We know Joe Paterno has culpability. We know he could have made different choices - he admitted that. We don't think he is God or always perfect or saintly. But he is the greatest college football coach ever, and he is PSU family, and we don't want his exit to be like this.
WE ARE...not closing our eyes, ignoring reports, pretending this isn't a wretched occurrence.
WE ARE...angry that innocents would be violated under our care.
WE ARE...in support of appropriate punishment for every person involved.
WE ARE...demanding change to a system that would allow this.
WE ARE...not concerned if you do not understand our love and devotion.
WE ARE...PENN STATE proud and we will rise again"[/h6]
And that's the problem here my man, who cares how many wins he had or what he did on the field. This is real life $+*%. And that is what disgusts me about the idiots who support him for this reason. Because he was a football coach? %+#%. Football is what caused this problem in the first place.Originally Posted by DaJoka004
I'm sure only the people who rioted were the ones who think Paterno is innocent.Originally Posted by af1 1982
Yes, you correct on everything you said and I agree with you. But remember 2,500/45,000 people "rioted. Not all 45,000.Originally Posted by DaJoka004
I don't see idiots cheering and supporting a human being who allowed children to be raped under his watch on my Grounds.
Damn, the head of your school even helped to cover it up. I'm going to hate who I want to hate. Your school disgusts me. Especially the handling of the current investigation by your BOT. They have to approve and are allowed to edit a report that may directly implicate them? %*!#$$**.
Former players... idiots.
Former students/current students... idiots.
Former administration/current administration... idiots.
I go to school with quite a few PSU alumni. Here's an email from one of them.
[h6][font=verdana,sans-serif][/font][/h6][h6][font=verdana,sans-serif]I know I sometimes joke about how Penn State sucks and I didn't really like it, but recent events really have uncovered my true admiration and emotional connection to the institution. I feel personally attacked, up to and including the firing of Joe Paterno. I understand the Boards of Trustees had a very difficult decision on their hands, and I'm glad I wasn't one of them in that room debating on whether to end an icon's legacy in shame. And if I feel this way, I can't even imagine how more devoted fans and alumni feel.
[/font][/h6]Anyways, my friend wrote the following on her facebook page and it's words were pretty powerful and I thought I'd share it:
"We know you don't understand. Generally, we don't try to explain. Unless you are a Buckeye or Fighting Irish, you probably don't get how an institution embeds itself in a student's life. And that is fine.
[h6]But right now, we want you to know this:
We are distraught and truly sickened by this horror perpetrated on young victims by one who represented the Blue and White, and perpetuated by others at the University. We aren't blind followers who drink Blue Kool-Aid. We grieve for and with the victims and their families. We pray for them to find healing and peace and a way to live a good life.
We know that while many people had responsibility, the most visible one almost always goes down first. We are not disputing the need for this to happen.
We are not "defending" anything. We are simply crushed and heartbroken. This is not the Penn State we love, the Penn State that is part of our being.
What you know of Joe Paterno probably comes from television or magazine articles.
We know the man who has lived in the same McKee St house for decades. We have chatted with him as he walked to practice. We have eaten ice cream with him at the Creamery. We have studied in the new library wing his money helped build. We have visited the sports museum and spiritual center he also helped build. We have seen him cheering on other Penn State athletes. We know he loves Penn State as much as we do.
Some of our friends, brothers, husbands, sons have been privileged to put on the Blue and White uniform and listen to 100,000 fans in Beaver Stadium. We know how hard they have worked, how much time they have devoted, how many of them have been part of an excellent scholar/athlete legacy...and how much they love this man and this program.
We aren't stupid or naive. We know Joe Paterno has culpability. We know he could have made different choices - he admitted that. We don't think he is God or always perfect or saintly. But he is the greatest college football coach ever, and he is PSU family, and we don't want his exit to be like this.
WE ARE...not closing our eyes, ignoring reports, pretending this isn't a wretched occurrence.
WE ARE...angry that innocents would be violated under our care.
WE ARE...in support of appropriate punishment for every person involved.
WE ARE...demanding change to a system that would allow this.
WE ARE...not concerned if you do not understand our love and devotion.
WE ARE...PENN STATE proud and we will rise again"[/h6]
Originally Posted by 651akathePaul
Sad situation all around.
I'm with DaJoka on this oneOriginally Posted by DaJoka004
I don't see idiots cheering and supporting a human being who allowed children to be raped under his watch on my Grounds.Originally Posted by af1 1982
Originally Posted by DaJoka004
I will forever hate Penn State. I can't wait for them to come to UVa next season.
Easily the dumbest thing posted in this thread. Hate Joe Pa, hate everything he stands for, hate Sandusky and everyone involved in this horrible scandal. But hate the actual school for all this? Hate the students and faculty that had nothing to do with this? C'mon fam you're smarter than that. It's a very frustrating and angering situation for the entire country and all of humanity that something went down like this. Don't let your emotions control your rationale.
Damn, the head of your school even helped to cover it up. I'm going to hate who I want to hate. Your school disgusts me. Especially the handling of the current investigation by your BOT. They have to approve and are allowed to edit a report that may directly implicate them? %*!#$$**.
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Look at post #120 in this thread...I'd be curious to know your (as well as anyone else's) viewpoint after reading through that article.Originally Posted by cartune
I was indifferent about Paterno in this situation because I wasnt sure what he actually knew.
Then Joe Pa comes out with his side of the story saying he was told vague information and he didnt understand what was really going on. And that McQuery never told him Sandusky was "raping" anyone. McQuery admitting that he didnt tell Paterno much details because he didnt think Paterno in his age would understand.
In hindsight its easy for you couch-saints to say he should have told the FBI to launch a full investigation based on something he didnt see and didnt understand
Should he have followed up? Yes. Should he have done more? Knowing what we conveniently know now Yes.
But you bums dancing on the grave of someone who had nothing to do with the monstrous actions that allegedly occurred need to look at the ugly reflection in the mirror
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Look at post #120 in this thread...I'd be curious to know your (as well as anyone else's) viewpoint after reading through that article.Originally Posted by cartune
I was indifferent about Paterno in this situation because I wasnt sure what he actually knew.
Then Joe Pa comes out with his side of the story saying he was told vague information and he didnt understand what was really going on. And that McQuery never told him Sandusky was "raping" anyone. McQuery admitting that he didnt tell Paterno much details because he didnt think Paterno in his age would understand.
In hindsight its easy for you couch-saints to say he should have told the FBI to launch a full investigation based on something he didnt see and didnt understand
Should he have followed up? Yes. Should he have done more? Knowing what we conveniently know now Yes.
But you bums dancing on the grave of someone who had nothing to do with the monstrous actions that allegedly occurred need to look at the ugly reflection in the mirror