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Naw put breathalizers in every car and make cars that go no faster than 40 miles an hour.
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Naw put breathalizers in every car and make cars that go no faster than 40 miles an hour.
- May 15, 2003
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They don't believe in guns, so they don't care if that infringes on others rights or they want to have them.
but heaven forbid someone discuss something they participate in. Nope, can't compare them. Why not, both are deadly and kill people at alarming rates. Nope, can't do it.
Discussions need to be made across the line, because it's a lot of things killing people. But drunk driving isn't going to make a huge headline like last night.
I'm open to that discussion, but a lot of it has to do with our society and the so called freedoms that we have. It allows us to do a lot of things that aren't good for our society.
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Obesity would go down.
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What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Is there something preventing us as a society and government from walking and chewing gum at the same time? I hear this argument a lot, but funding is the issue a lot of the time with some of the issues you're addressing. People eat unhealthy because it's cheaper to get fast food than making a healthy meal. So we could use funding to help educate people more from a young age and try and do steps to help correct the economic inequality in this country so that more people have access to better food.
As for natural disasters it should go without saying that you can't really prevent them from happening but when they do proper and swift response is necessary to help ensure that those affected have the supplies and things they need.
At the same time we can address the gun culture in America that not only affects us during mass shootings, but everyday in crimes committed against other people as well as self inflicted deaths. Mentally health issues, drug abuse and much more tie into that as well. And there's money to address many of these things, but you got people in power who'd rather put their time and effort into committing $700 billion to beef up a military that's already the biggest and best in the world.
None of this has to be mutually exclusive, it's all about what we as a society deem to be a priority and the pressure we can exert on those in power to act upon those issues.
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And you would have to be extremely dense not realize why.
And I really hope you aren't my same race saying this.
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They both cause deaths yes. But there not comparable when it comes to mass murder. Alcohol is a totally different conversation. It has nothing to do with potential mass violence. Automatic weapons can cause massive death in a single event whereas alcohol almost never has the potential to cause massive deaths and is not a means of murder.
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No...i meant 'was' as in..he's dead now. Far as i hear he was still rich at the time of death.
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60% of gun deaths are suicides (i.e. inward harm) while most of the rest are homicides (i.e. outward harm). Roughly 33k deaths per year in the US.
I can't find good numbers for alcohol, but there are significant inward harms (cirrhosis, dependence, etc.) along with outward harms (drunk driving, fetal alcohol syndrome, etc.). Roughly 88k deaths per year in the US.
Anyway, I don't even know what original point was. But I think both are blights on society, both disproportionately ruin the lives of younger people, but only one has active research and intervention programs.
This gets into semantics and subtlety, but the primary purpose of a gun is to inflict damage. The damage from alcohol is an unintended side effect.
Of course it is more convoluted that that. Many use guns for sport or for self-defense, and many drink alcohol knowing it puts their health and the health of others at risk.
Alcohol provides many positive social benefits. Maybe not in backwoods American culture but it many other cultures it is as essential as music and dance... Guns also provide some positive social benefits but for a limited cross-section of society (still, a cross-section we should pay attention to).
Point is, this isn't all black or white.
I would give anything for this. I HATE how much Americans rely on driving. It's why we're fat, lazy ****s. It's why cities tend to suck. Get rid of cars and our health will improve, society will improve, and our cities will be a little bit more enjoyable.
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Well my point was intentional murder vs accidental murder. Accidental murder has no place in this discussion in my opinion because this situation has nothing to do with accidental murder.
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The way I see it is that guns are designed to kill period. In the wrong hands, one is capable of mass murder. Yes, alcohol and a car is a dangerous combination in the wrong hands as well, but that is at least limited in the amount of potential casualties.They don't believe in guns, so they don't care if that infringes on others rights or they want to have them.
but heaven forbid someone discuss something they participate in. Nope, can't compare them. Why not, both are deadly and kill people at alarming rates. Nope, can't do it.
Discussions need to be made across the line, because it's a lot of things killing people. But drunk driving isn't going to make a huge headline like last night.
I'm open to that discussion, but a lot of it has to do with our society and the so called freedoms that we have. It allows us to do a lot of things that aren't good for our society.
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The existence of alcohol abuse doesnt excuse the existence of gun "misuse".
Whataboutism serves no real purpose in a genuine discussion.
Whataboutism serves no real purpose in a genuine discussion.
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Anybody besides me first think this guy was an extreme leftist trying to kill Trump supporters by shooting up a country music concert ?
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He thinks alcohol is just as dangeroun in any given situation when reality, alcohol deaths are more comparable to smoking deaths and drug overdoses. Apples and oranges.
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It's used only as a deflection tactic when you don't want to address the real issue. Same thing when certain segments bring up 'black on black crime' or Chicago when you're trying to discuss police brutality and systematic racism.
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So do you guys believe in guns to protect your family?
Say only handguns should be allowed.
But what about the people who have semi autos? You can build your own also. So it doesn't have to be registered. You can buy the parts. Do you eliminate that?
Say only handguns should be allowed.
But what about the people who have semi autos? You can build your own also. So it doesn't have to be registered. You can buy the parts. Do you eliminate that?
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Nah, it seems like this guy is pro-wealth which usually aligns with trump supporters, I think he was just in distress. Anything is possible at this point though, so I guess we wait to get insight.
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sure, we can ignore accidental murder. it doesn't really change the debate in my opinion. unless you're also saying we should ignore suicide?
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Stricter ammunition regulations.
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Yeah, the guy in vegas wasn’t drunk and driving through the crowd to kill them. If he was then there’d be a reason to talk about drunk driving in here.
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What can't a gun that you build on your own be registered, theoretically?
You build it, report it to the appropriate authorities, get a registration number for it.
You build it, report it to the appropriate authorities, get a registration number for it.
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No deflection at all. I'm waiting for someone to admit both are problematic, but when it hits close to home, because you drink you discard it.
Me, who doesn't drink. I can say ban alcohol. It doesn't affect me.
And I want people to acknowledge death is death, and we should be trying to stop all senseless death. Instead we focus on the shiny penny.
I bet if you had someone close to you die because of alcohol you wouldn't be so quick to brush it off as "deflection"
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Ya true just a nut case that snapped i guess.
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It's a bad start to the conversation.
If we live in a society where people need guns to feel safe, we've already lost.
In an ideal society, we shouldn't even be talking about that. And this isn't a pipe dream like a society without death and disease. This idea society is the way most of the world is.
The USA is the only country I've walked around in where I ever worried about someone pulling a gun on me. Sure, there are countries I haven't been to where it is a danger. But there are plenty of countries where it is not.
I'm not going to entertain any discussion or premise that doesn't try to move us towards that sort of society.
Now how we achieve that practically speaking is up for debate.
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The alcohol thing is deflecting. Plain and simple
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