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So the criminals have the guns and it make more difficult for the law abiding citizen. Isn't that the same situation we're in now?
I have no reason to trust the federal government or any politician.
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So the criminals have the guns and it make more difficult for the law abiding citizen. Isn't that the same situation we're in now?
I have no reason to trust the federal government or any politician.
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I know this sounds crazy
But guns should have equipped with some chip or smart technology where they could be turned off or on (not the safety) by an app or something that requires justification to use the weapon. I dont want to dive into specifics but just the idea that a weapon should only be fired in defense or something.
But guns should have equipped with some chip or smart technology where they could be turned off or on (not the safety) by an app or something that requires justification to use the weapon. I dont want to dive into specifics but just the idea that a weapon should only be fired in defense or something.
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I'm not registering my guns with a Federal agency period and I don't know any legal gun owner that would.
You being scared about what is going to happen with my legally owned gun is a YOU problem not mine.
I'm all for putting money into gun research though
You being scared about what is going to happen with my legally owned gun is a YOU problem not mine.
I'm all for putting money into gun research though
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Probably really late but this woman might be one of the dumber humans alive.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...athy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...athy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html
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D u m b as
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She must be unsatisfied with her job because she has to know there's a chance she could be fired for this.
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Ok cool. Get fined or arrested if they fine it, that will be a YOU problem right there.
And it doesn't have to be on the federal level, it could be federally funded and locally administered
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You've pretty much made my point for me. Why would I trust a government in regards to a people's well being when they have showed that is not really not their concern. As you said somehow theres 700 billion committed to a military that clearly doesn't need it. Especially when there's certain issues that could benefit from the money far more.
I am not sure if you're pushing the discrepancy in spending is because trump is in office, but DOD spending and the Military industrial complex has been wilding for years. The issues a lot of people complain about have been going on, Trump just put it out in the front and they can't be pacified with illusion of Democratic progress no more. (FTR, i have no political ties and think both parties are two sides of the same coin) With that said, i am not sure i understand your point if youre saying you trust a government to regulate gun control after you just stated there's other issues that clearly need tending to.
In regards to why I brought up the # 1 killer in the country, is because if you are truly concerned with the well being of the people you address the major issues first. Metaphorically speaking, if a patient is having a heart attack and broke their finger it would be asinine to treat the finger before i do the heart attack. I am pulling numbers from this thread so don't crucify me if they aren't 100% but i have hard time understanding how you could look at 600,000 plus and growing family members (of heart disease deaths) in the face and tell them their issue isn't important enough to garner the funds and coverage as something that only kills 13,000 people annually. I understand that this is a traumatic situation and the coverage is everywhere making the wound that much more fresh, but ask someone if watching a parent flat line from a heart attack isn't just as traumatic. All I am saying is step back and look at how disproportionate things are in terms of the numbers and ask yourself why is it so?
Good analogy with the chew and walk. I agree with the sentiment 100%. I think it was one of the more clever ways to compartmentalize a lot of the issues this country deals with. Divide and conquer essentially. (Disclaimer, my perspective on this purely psychological and based on my own observations. I have no interest in making this a racial thing despite some of the words i may use to articulate my point) I honestly think America's problems is as simple as this: It was created by the white man, which is the child of humanity. Everything this country has done and really white psychology in general is indicative of an abandoned child. He hates his parents ( the black man and woman ) he spends excessively on trivial things to compensate for internal emptiness, he has a feeling of immortality not based in anything, he lies when blatantly caught in the act, he wants no responsibility for his actions. He even goes as far to pretend to be his parents in movies despite his disdain for them. Like i said all things indicative of an abandoned child's psychology. When a child has a rough upbringing a lot of times they will do chaotic things to get the attention that they never received from their parents growing up. That is why i think it's not far fetched to think a lot of this stuff is scripted and a ploy for attention. The white supremacy illusion's time is up and were moving into a paradigm where racism is a thing of the past. Much like a child who is fearing abandonment, america/the white man is doing what ever is necessary to get the attention it feels it deserves. If you want to fix america and really the planet, the rightful custodians need to wake up to who they really are and take accountability for what has happened. Trying to squeeze into your child pant's and play by his rules are not the answer.
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My grandfather died from a heart attack due to years of following an unhealthy lifestyle. It would've been much worse if he was shot down for no reason like the 50+ people that died yesterday. Are you seriously saying all deaths are the same?
What about my other grandfather who died in his sleep at age 89? Is his death also the same as being shot in the head by a terrorist? My family and I were sad but were able to accept that he was at the end of a long and happy life. What about the 20-30 year olds that died yesterday before even getting halfway through their lives?
This is the problem with this issue and this country in general. Instead of addressing and fixing issues, it's just non-stop false equivalencies, deflections, and excuses. It's never "We need to end this now", it's always "But what about _____ ? " People are too damn proud and stubborn to admit that things need to change regardless of how bad they are. "At least we are better than third world countries"
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Those tweets 
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It's a deflection to point out the fact you twice as likely to struck by lightening in your lifetime than to be killed by a mass shooter?
Niketalk...
Thank you for your concerns! From the shoutouts to the messages I received on here, not including the countless missed phone calls and mass texts that I could not respond to.
Although, physically I’m okay, I don’t think mentally or emotionally I am. My body is numb, I still cannot process what really went down last night. Even after all the debriefings, it was surreal, straight out of a movie scene. You see and feel pure fear in everybody’s eyes, everybody’s body language. It’s like they were zombies, there was no soul in Vegas last night. The atmosphere was also dead.
I worked 24 hours straight since yesterday. I was finally able to go home a couple hours ago. I met up with family and friends... they were all already at my house waiting for me. As I parked in my own driveway, I could not help but just sit there, it seemed as I sat there forever.
I walk in my own house and I break down in tears. The blood on my uniform were not mine, the tears on my shoulder were not mine, they belonged to those who were incapable of helping themselves. They belonged to the other Officers that also broke down emotionally.
After the shooting, I conducted “crowd control” and perimeter checks throughout the Valley Hospitals, where I witnessed hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of family member grieving in the parking lot. People calling and asking for help, asking if their loved ones are alive or where they were. I had no answer for them, I was speechless as they were.
I witnessed Nevada Civilians taking the time out of their own day, spending their own money to buy food, blankets and water to provide to the affected people. People were donating their blood throughout the whole city.
I witnessed Nurses, Doctors, EMTs, Fire Fighters... ect. being called in on their days off, helping, assisting and saving lives.
Over 50 people dead, over 500 people injured, over 22,000 people traumatized.... and millions of people angered!
I’m not going to try to read 50+ pages of this thread, because I feel I already know the conversations that consist in these type of threads.
With that said, I ask you a favor Niketalk... let’s come together! Stand together and put our differences aside! And to @Method Man just say the word brother, make that Donation Thread and ill be first to donate whenever I can.
Thank you for your concerns! From the shoutouts to the messages I received on here, not including the countless missed phone calls and mass texts that I could not respond to.
Although, physically I’m okay, I don’t think mentally or emotionally I am. My body is numb, I still cannot process what really went down last night. Even after all the debriefings, it was surreal, straight out of a movie scene. You see and feel pure fear in everybody’s eyes, everybody’s body language. It’s like they were zombies, there was no soul in Vegas last night. The atmosphere was also dead.
I worked 24 hours straight since yesterday. I was finally able to go home a couple hours ago. I met up with family and friends... they were all already at my house waiting for me. As I parked in my own driveway, I could not help but just sit there, it seemed as I sat there forever.
I walk in my own house and I break down in tears. The blood on my uniform were not mine, the tears on my shoulder were not mine, they belonged to those who were incapable of helping themselves. They belonged to the other Officers that also broke down emotionally.
After the shooting, I conducted “crowd control” and perimeter checks throughout the Valley Hospitals, where I witnessed hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of family member grieving in the parking lot. People calling and asking for help, asking if their loved ones are alive or where they were. I had no answer for them, I was speechless as they were.
I witnessed Nevada Civilians taking the time out of their own day, spending their own money to buy food, blankets and water to provide to the affected people. People were donating their blood throughout the whole city.
I witnessed Nurses, Doctors, EMTs, Fire Fighters... ect. being called in on their days off, helping, assisting and saving lives.
Over 50 people dead, over 500 people injured, over 22,000 people traumatized.... and millions of people angered!
I’m not going to try to read 50+ pages of this thread, because I feel I already know the conversations that consist in these type of threads.
With that said, I ask you a favor Niketalk... let’s come together! Stand together and put our differences aside! And to @Method Man just say the word brother, make that Donation Thread and ill be first to donate whenever I can.
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When you're handing out that little factoid as a way to minimize the problem with guns, yes it is 100% deflection
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What is this nonsense? Let's not practice any safety in life since you're more likely to die from lightning anyway? What??
I'll be sure to forward this genius advice to security and counter terrorist forces throughout the world. "Don't waste your time and effort trying to prevent mass murders!"
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Are you black? If so, how do you feel when someone brings up black on black crime in police brutality discussions?
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You know damn well he isn't any type of minority. He'll pretend to be one now that you've asked him though, just like many others have done on here in the past
No minority on here uses his type of "logic" and "facts" (except He who must not be named)
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SneakerProSr.
from my interactions is a good dude. I just disagree with him on his issue, no to cross the line with any personal stuff.
I mean I think he is not making very good arguments, but could you just imagine the level of buffoonery we would be dealing with if we where debating this is say, Ninja.
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My attempt was not to deflect. It was a mathematical observation based on a huge disproportion.
You used an example that had nothing to do with what I said. RIP to your grandfather. I can guarantee you with out even looking at the stats that more 3/4 of those people dying from heart diseases are not at the end of a long fulfilled life. That's still 450,000 people.
My point was that for the masses, gun control is garnering the attention it's receiving due to the push from the media. There are any number of things you could pick and make a headline with the right story, because the numbers are there to back it up. You could take what's happening in Chicago and make it a national story and push it all on major media outlets for debates on resolutions. Again not deflecting just showing there's multitude of narratives that you can pick and get people emotionally invested in.
I'd be genuinely interested as to why you think 13,000 deaths annually is more of importance compared to 600,000. In regards to death, I'm no omnipotent being to say what's more traumatic for the next man. To flip your example, say a 16 year old being raised by a 89 year old grandparent who was their last living relative died and they had to go into orphan care. You don't think that's traumatic? I understand what you're getting at and I do agree with you to a certain extent but death and the feelings around it are subjective. I'm not going to tell the next man how to deal with the lost of his loved one. Ultimately, men lie women lie and numbers don't. 600,000 vs 13,000 is a lot. There's no conceivable way to me you can say you care about the totality of a society's well being and disregard those type of numbers.
I'm not sure if you read the entirety of my post but I got to what in my opinion was on the core of this country's issues. Me attempting to deflect would likely suggest I feel like there's something worth salvaging from a left/right wing perspective. I don't subscribe to that narrative at all. I think the issues that plague this country and the world go back further then when the European could speak.
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This country's fascination/obsession with guns is so bizarre to me.
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No, it had everything to do with what you said. You stated that a heart attack is equally as traumatic as a death from a random mass shooting. One is a health issue that may have been preventable, while the other was just a senseless act of violence. They are NOT the same. I can accept my grandfather's death as a sad reality of life; I can't accept someone ending it by shooting him while he's perfectly healthy and happy
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^not only that, folks can easily get their hands on high powered weapons
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Wow, so did you guys hear that there might be video of the shooter recording himself in the room as he was firing away? They're saying he had a camera in there.
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I just disagree with him on his issue, no to cross the line with any personal stuff.
I mean I think he is not making very good arguments, but could you just imagine the level of buffoonery we would be dealing with if we where debating this is say, Ninja.
I have no issue with sneaker pro. I have no issue with any NTers. Not even Ninja's frustrating ***
Just trying to find some common ground so he can understand why it's a deflection.
I'm black and every black person I know hates the black on black crime deflection.
It's a simple parallel to make when talking to a fellow black person.
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