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The conversation was fast so it's not crazy that you missed it.
So INCEPTION is One of the BEST Movies I have ever seen... Vol. Christopher "The Man" Nolan
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i thought it blew up at the end of Flashforward
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i thought it blew up at the end of Flashforward
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I wanna go see this movie again asap. The cast in this was perfect. I didn't think I would like Juno but she did good. Can't believe Nolan has worked on this for 8 years. (script and everything)
I think this might actually be better than TDK for me as far as Nolans work goes. Prestige is still prob my favorite.
I think this might actually be better than TDK for me as far as Nolans work goes. Prestige is still prob my favorite.
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I wanna go see this movie again asap. The cast in this was perfect. I didn't think I would like Juno but she did good. Can't believe Nolan has worked on this for 8 years. (script and everything)
I think this might actually be better than TDK for me as far as Nolans work goes. Prestige is still prob my favorite.
I think this might actually be better than TDK for me as far as Nolans work goes. Prestige is still prob my favorite.
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I thought it was more about corporate power. If Fischer's business continued on pace, it would dwarf Saito's company and he wouldn't be able to compete anymore.
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I thought it was more about corporate power. If Fischer's business continued on pace, it would dwarf Saito's company and he wouldn't be able to compete anymore.
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GUYS
IT WASNT HIS TOTEM
It was his wifes so yes basically the whole thing was a dream.
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GUYS
IT WASNT HIS TOTEM
It was his wifes so yes basically the whole thing was a dream.
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I love this movie and it definitely lived up to all the hype. I can't wait to rewatch it like I did with Memento and look for all the little clues that I missed the first time.
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Cobb and Saitou killed themselves in limbo in the end while they were sedated and killing yourself in a dream to get back to reality only works if your dreaming normally and not sedated so that means that Cobb and Saitou went into a further state of limbo and didn't actually wake up? The fact that the top kept spinning is a clue that Cobb is actually still stuck in limbo?
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I love this movie and it definitely lived up to all the hype. I can't wait to rewatch it like I did with Memento and look for all the little clues that I missed the first time.
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Cobb and Saitou killed themselves in limbo in the end while they were sedated and killing yourself in a dream to get back to reality only works if your dreaming normally and not sedated so that means that Cobb and Saitou went into a further state of limbo and didn't actually wake up? The fact that the top kept spinning is a clue that Cobb is actually still stuck in limbo?
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Corporate Politics...
I honestly figured when they were in Limbo the kick got them out.
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Corporate Politics...
I honestly figured when they were in Limbo the kick got them out.
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I wonder if it was suspicious to Fischer that his corporate rival is sitting in the same flight in first class as he was.
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I wonder if it was suspicious to Fischer that his corporate rival is sitting in the same flight in first class as he was.
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or this theory:
Here's one that kind of counters it, though.
Man, each theory I keep reading makes sense and then discredits another. This movie is going to be frustrate me to no end, even more so than Primer and Memento, haha.
1. Ariadne peeks into Cobb's psyche before the multi-level job began. This allowed her a chance to peek into Cobb's mind, memories and dream themes.
2. She was the main character who was given a CLUE as to what Cobbs used to judge reality or not (not JUST the totem). We are never shown any other characters being given knowledge that he spun it and would wait to see if it stopped spinning or not. As a comparison, we see 2 other characters' totems - Arthur's die and Ariadne' chess piece. BUT, we are never shown how they judge the totems, only what they are. In one scene, Cobbs actually tells Ariadne how he uses the totem.
3. We are shown how Arthur teaches Ariadne the trick of closing the maze, which fools the subconscious of the sleeper's into perceiving the dream as real for much longer. We're then later shown a scene where Arthur uses this trick against a subconscious security agent within a staircase BUT that is just misdirection to make us believe that's the only place it's used. In actuality, it's used again by Ariadne (as I'll explain in a bit).
4. Adriane is the ONLY character in the levels who has SEEN Cobb's 4th level. That means there is NO WAY Saito could perceive that level.
In the final scene, mirroring the initial opening scene, the main difference is that the spinning top is not focused on. Ariadne's character knew EVERYTHING that needed to be known to ensure that Cobb gained an inception. She, in the end, established the ultimate inception, even greater then the inception perpetrated by all the characters onto Fischer, and ultimately an inception of the movie audience. She got Cobbs to believe he made it back up all levels and into reality when, in fact, she designed a closed loop to cause him to believe he's shot back up to reality when in fact he's probably gone even one level deeper into limbo - a limbo where he can finally let go of his guilt and see his children. It was a way to provide him a "happy ending" if by chance he got swallowed up by his own deep psyche.
This is reaffirmed by the initial scene with Cobbs asking her to design a maze for him, and FURTHER reaffirmed by the emphasis to ensure the audience knows that Cobbs NEVER wants to know the architecture of the architect's designs. If the movie did not emphasize the importance of that, it would most definitely crush the possibility of the end having the possibility that Cobbs was deeper into limbo, let alone be ambiguous.
Here's one that kind of counters it, though.
Man, each theory I keep reading makes sense and then discredits another. This movie is going to be frustrate me to no end, even more so than Primer and Memento, haha.
1. Ariadne peeks into Cobb's psyche before the multi-level job began. This allowed her a chance to peek into Cobb's mind, memories and dream themes.
2. She was the main character who was given a CLUE as to what Cobbs used to judge reality or not (not JUST the totem). We are never shown any other characters being given knowledge that he spun it and would wait to see if it stopped spinning or not. As a comparison, we see 2 other characters' totems - Arthur's die and Ariadne' chess piece. BUT, we are never shown how they judge the totems, only what they are. In one scene, Cobbs actually tells Ariadne how he uses the totem.
3. We are shown how Arthur teaches Ariadne the trick of closing the maze, which fools the subconscious of the sleeper's into perceiving the dream as real for much longer. We're then later shown a scene where Arthur uses this trick against a subconscious security agent within a staircase BUT that is just misdirection to make us believe that's the only place it's used. In actuality, it's used again by Ariadne (as I'll explain in a bit).
4. Adriane is the ONLY character in the levels who has SEEN Cobb's 4th level. That means there is NO WAY Saito could perceive that level.
In the final scene, mirroring the initial opening scene, the main difference is that the spinning top is not focused on. Ariadne's character knew EVERYTHING that needed to be known to ensure that Cobb gained an inception. She, in the end, established the ultimate inception, even greater then the inception perpetrated by all the characters onto Fischer, and ultimately an inception of the movie audience. She got Cobbs to believe he made it back up all levels and into reality when, in fact, she designed a closed loop to cause him to believe he's shot back up to reality when in fact he's probably gone even one level deeper into limbo - a limbo where he can finally let go of his guilt and see his children. It was a way to provide him a "happy ending" if by chance he got swallowed up by his own deep psyche.
This is reaffirmed by the initial scene with Cobbs asking her to design a maze for him, and FURTHER reaffirmed by the emphasis to ensure the audience knows that Cobbs NEVER wants to know the architecture of the architect's designs. If the movie did not emphasize the importance of that, it would most definitely crush the possibility of the end having the possibility that Cobbs was deeper into limbo, let alone be ambiguous.
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or this theory:
Here's one that kind of counters it, though.
Man, each theory I keep reading makes sense and then discredits another. This movie is going to be frustrate me to no end, even more so than Primer and Memento, haha.
1. Ariadne peeks into Cobb's psyche before the multi-level job began. This allowed her a chance to peek into Cobb's mind, memories and dream themes.
2. She was the main character who was given a CLUE as to what Cobbs used to judge reality or not (not JUST the totem). We are never shown any other characters being given knowledge that he spun it and would wait to see if it stopped spinning or not. As a comparison, we see 2 other characters' totems - Arthur's die and Ariadne' chess piece. BUT, we are never shown how they judge the totems, only what they are. In one scene, Cobbs actually tells Ariadne how he uses the totem.
3. We are shown how Arthur teaches Ariadne the trick of closing the maze, which fools the subconscious of the sleeper's into perceiving the dream as real for much longer. We're then later shown a scene where Arthur uses this trick against a subconscious security agent within a staircase BUT that is just misdirection to make us believe that's the only place it's used. In actuality, it's used again by Ariadne (as I'll explain in a bit).
4. Adriane is the ONLY character in the levels who has SEEN Cobb's 4th level. That means there is NO WAY Saito could perceive that level.
In the final scene, mirroring the initial opening scene, the main difference is that the spinning top is not focused on. Ariadne's character knew EVERYTHING that needed to be known to ensure that Cobb gained an inception. She, in the end, established the ultimate inception, even greater then the inception perpetrated by all the characters onto Fischer, and ultimately an inception of the movie audience. She got Cobbs to believe he made it back up all levels and into reality when, in fact, she designed a closed loop to cause him to believe he's shot back up to reality when in fact he's probably gone even one level deeper into limbo - a limbo where he can finally let go of his guilt and see his children. It was a way to provide him a "happy ending" if by chance he got swallowed up by his own deep psyche.
This is reaffirmed by the initial scene with Cobbs asking her to design a maze for him, and FURTHER reaffirmed by the emphasis to ensure the audience knows that Cobbs NEVER wants to know the architecture of the architect's designs. If the movie did not emphasize the importance of that, it would most definitely crush the possibility of the end having the possibility that Cobbs was deeper into limbo, let alone be ambiguous.
Here's one that kind of counters it, though.
Man, each theory I keep reading makes sense and then discredits another. This movie is going to be frustrate me to no end, even more so than Primer and Memento, haha.
1. Ariadne peeks into Cobb's psyche before the multi-level job began. This allowed her a chance to peek into Cobb's mind, memories and dream themes.
2. She was the main character who was given a CLUE as to what Cobbs used to judge reality or not (not JUST the totem). We are never shown any other characters being given knowledge that he spun it and would wait to see if it stopped spinning or not. As a comparison, we see 2 other characters' totems - Arthur's die and Ariadne' chess piece. BUT, we are never shown how they judge the totems, only what they are. In one scene, Cobbs actually tells Ariadne how he uses the totem.
3. We are shown how Arthur teaches Ariadne the trick of closing the maze, which fools the subconscious of the sleeper's into perceiving the dream as real for much longer. We're then later shown a scene where Arthur uses this trick against a subconscious security agent within a staircase BUT that is just misdirection to make us believe that's the only place it's used. In actuality, it's used again by Ariadne (as I'll explain in a bit).
4. Adriane is the ONLY character in the levels who has SEEN Cobb's 4th level. That means there is NO WAY Saito could perceive that level.
In the final scene, mirroring the initial opening scene, the main difference is that the spinning top is not focused on. Ariadne's character knew EVERYTHING that needed to be known to ensure that Cobb gained an inception. She, in the end, established the ultimate inception, even greater then the inception perpetrated by all the characters onto Fischer, and ultimately an inception of the movie audience. She got Cobbs to believe he made it back up all levels and into reality when, in fact, she designed a closed loop to cause him to believe he's shot back up to reality when in fact he's probably gone even one level deeper into limbo - a limbo where he can finally let go of his guilt and see his children. It was a way to provide him a "happy ending" if by chance he got swallowed up by his own deep psyche.
This is reaffirmed by the initial scene with Cobbs asking her to design a maze for him, and FURTHER reaffirmed by the emphasis to ensure the audience knows that Cobbs NEVER wants to know the architecture of the architect's designs. If the movie did not emphasize the importance of that, it would most definitely crush the possibility of the end having the possibility that Cobbs was deeper into limbo, let alone be ambiguous.
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DAMN GOOD.
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DAMN GOOD.
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I was just confused about Saiko's character in general. What were they doing in his head at the beginning (not the intro, but with the first architect in the 2 layer dream)? They seemed to all be good buddies very soon after that.
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I was just confused about Saiko's character in general. What were they doing in his head at the beginning (not the intro, but with the first architect in the 2 layer dream)? They seemed to all be good buddies very soon after that.
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Real good theory there, Override, but I'm gonna say he's back to reality. Just because it's a much easier explanation. But still a damn good theory.
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Real good theory there, Override, but I'm gonna say he's back to reality. Just because it's a much easier explanation. But still a damn good theory.
