So INCEPTION is One of the BEST Movies I have ever seen... Vol. Christopher "The Man" Nolan

Originally Posted by Dapper D

Really, really good movie...Nolan has one hell of a mind...
Like others, there were parts that I was confused by (the whole limbo #++@) but I got the gist of it...

I don't if anyone else brought this up but throughout the movie I kept thinking...Damn this would have been a dope idea for the next Batman movie...

Like the Riddler goes inside Batman's head (or vice versa) or he makes it so that Batman is stuck in a dream state and he doesn't know what's real or not...

some #++@ like that...I don't know
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there's actually an episode from batman the animated series that follows a similar plot, except the villain who does it is the mad hatter.

one of my favorite batman TAS episodes
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Originally Posted by Dapper D

Really, really good movie...Nolan has one hell of a mind...
Like others, there were parts that I was confused by (the whole limbo #++@) but I got the gist of it...

I don't if anyone else brought this up but throughout the movie I kept thinking...Damn this would have been a dope idea for the next Batman movie...

Like the Riddler goes inside Batman's head (or vice versa) or he makes it so that Batman is stuck in a dream state and he doesn't know what's real or not...

some #++@ like that...I don't know
laugh.gif
...

there's actually an episode from batman the animated series that follows a similar plot, except the villain who does it is the mad hatter.

one of my favorite batman TAS episodes
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wouldn't it make sense in the end if...

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the end was just Cobb's dream. He came to a conclusion that he'd rather be in a dream world where Mal is dead and won't bug him anymore and he can live with his kids. I mean that's what he wanted all along, to be with his kids.

Other stuff that doesn't make sense...

The mirror scene with Cobb and Ariadne, what's the significance?
This whole totem BS...
The part where he is taken to an underground lab with a bunch of sleep experiments were taking place....did he EVER wake up?
How the hell did Cobb realize his 50 year limbo dream with his wife was actually a dream?
Was Mal lying? Is Cobb in a dream the whole damn time?

Man forgive me for stupid comments that sound silly, i definitely have to catch this again....i'll wait til dvd
 
wouldn't it make sense in the end if...

Spoiler [+]
the end was just Cobb's dream. He came to a conclusion that he'd rather be in a dream world where Mal is dead and won't bug him anymore and he can live with his kids. I mean that's what he wanted all along, to be with his kids.

Other stuff that doesn't make sense...

The mirror scene with Cobb and Ariadne, what's the significance?
This whole totem BS...
The part where he is taken to an underground lab with a bunch of sleep experiments were taking place....did he EVER wake up?
How the hell did Cobb realize his 50 year limbo dream with his wife was actually a dream?
Was Mal lying? Is Cobb in a dream the whole damn time?

Man forgive me for stupid comments that sound silly, i definitely have to catch this again....i'll wait til dvd
 
I have a question. Can someone explain what limbo is? I mean I kinda get it and I kinda don't. I was thinking maybe it's a metaphor for a person who doesnt let go of the past (Leo). I got that when Sal said he was an old man living with regret when he got stuck in limbo. But I mean I know Leo was in limbo for 50 years but that doesnt mean he was sleep for 50 years. So can someone try and help me understand limbo?
 
I have a question. Can someone explain what limbo is? I mean I kinda get it and I kinda don't. I was thinking maybe it's a metaphor for a person who doesnt let go of the past (Leo). I got that when Sal said he was an old man living with regret when he got stuck in limbo. But I mean I know Leo was in limbo for 50 years but that doesnt mean he was sleep for 50 years. So can someone try and help me understand limbo?
 
From IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title...666/board/nest/167024711

 I no longer truly believe this because I think it's far too complicated. Upon a second viewing, the story was incredibly EASY to follow especially with all of the discussion I've read on this board since then. I think the story has an easy solution and not something only a small percentage of viewers would ever think. The only thing I'm unsure about is if Cobb was dreaming at the end or not, due to the long amount of time the top was spinning and that the camera cuts away before it would have lost even more momentum. 

Also, I don't know why people are saying you hear the top fall when the credits start. You just hear the start of the music. That's it. 

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The idea of 'Inception' is to be a story crafted in the architecture of the mind - Cobb's mind. What people perceive to be real isn't necessarily so, because the mind can make things appear to be as real as ever. An important thing to remember is the start of the film. Dom Cobb wakes up in a place that we later find out to be limbo – more importantly, Saito's limbo. 

What happens next is something that is meaningless the first time a viewer watches the film. Saito is seen handling Cobb's totem (which was a top that he took from Mal while in limbo). At first, this is meaningless. Upon a second viewing, the viewer should realize that everything that happens after this scene (the jump cut to Cobb's attempt at extracting information from Saito, and so on) is something much deeper. 

Saito promises to give Cobb the one thing that he wants, and that's to find the way back home. How does he convince Cobb to do this? He tells him to "take a leap of faith." This is another line that goes unnoticed at first. On a second viewing, the viewer should remember that line as something that Mal told Cobb when she jumped off of the building. Is the picture becoming clearer yet? 

While in Mombasa, Cobb gets chased by anonymous agents (which he perceives to be Cobol agents) through a fantastic action sequence where Cobb escapes the dream-like narrow tunnel and is rescued by none other than Saito. A bit later, Cobb and Saito visit Yusef who brings them into a basement with various figures connected to the dream machine. The idea was for Cobb to experiment with the deep sedative. He does, and when he "wakes up," he tries to use his totem only to be interrupted by Saito. Cobb never does find out if he is in the real world or not. In fact, he hasn’t been yet. He’s been in limbo ever since he got there with Mal. Ever since then, he's been going deeper and deeper to the point where he created Saito as a projection to help him "get back home" - Did you really think Saito can just pick up the phone and make murder charges disappear? No. But, Cobb believes it and thus Saito is used to thrust Cobb further and further into a state of limbo – where at the end of the journey, Cobb truly believes he is with his children after confronting and getting over his projection of Mal. 

While in the limbo, Cobb, using Mal's totem, put the idea in her head that she was in the dream world. She was, she just hadn’t realized it yet. What the viewer forgets is that all knowledge of limbo comes from Cobb's character. To think that Cobb is 100% accurate about it is absolutely wrong. He wouldn't know dream from reality – not in the limbo that he describes to people – and definitely not if inception were performed on him to believe that limbo truly was the real world. 

Mal and Cobb never really left limbo at least, not that layer of it. When Mal jumped off the building, she gave herself the very same "kick" that Ariadne improvised later on in the movie. Mal was right about still being in the dream world. Cobb was still engulfed in limbo and didn't realize it. When Cobb and Mal had killed themselves with the train, they simply moved one layer deeper just like Saito did when he was killed, Fischer did when he was killed, and so on (this happens again at the end of the film when Saito picks up the gun in front of Cobb). 

Cobb, deep in limbo, unknowingly uses the projections of his team to keep going deeper and deeper until the idea of inception is performed on his mind, and he truly believes he was able to find a way back home. Saito's promise to Cobb was kept - in the form of Saito (a projection from Cobb) making sure that Cobb ended up in limbo, so that he could live his "life" with his kids (who are in the same position as they were all throughout the film). 

The team were projections in Cobb's mind the entire time. It's how he was able to go to Miles in Paris and find an architect named Ariadne (a name which comes from a Greek mythology story about a labyrinth) who improvised the "kick" at the end of the movie the same way that Cobb had seen (but not accepted as a dream) Mal do previously when she jumped off the building. It's how Eames happened to know of Yusef, and so on and so forth. Everything Cobb needed to make this inception work happened to work out for him. It's even how Cobb's lawyer knew so quickly that Mal had gone to 3 different shrinks to be declared "sane" and how he happened to have a ticket for Cobb to be able to get out of the country before the police would have arrested him. 

The movie ends with Cobb appearing from place to place, going from limbo with Saito, to the plane where Saito magically makes one phone call to free Cobb from his problems, to walking through the airport, to meeting Miles who is with Cobb's children. Cobb spins his totem and it spins just like it was a dream. He fixes his eyes on his children and the totem begins to lose speed – this is because inception has worked – Cobb truly believes he is in the real world. His totem will not spin like it did in the dream, not as long as he has his kids. The title of the film is now shown to us, making complete sense because the title was really Cobb's journey through his own mind: INCEPTION
 
From IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title...666/board/nest/167024711

 I no longer truly believe this because I think it's far too complicated. Upon a second viewing, the story was incredibly EASY to follow especially with all of the discussion I've read on this board since then. I think the story has an easy solution and not something only a small percentage of viewers would ever think. The only thing I'm unsure about is if Cobb was dreaming at the end or not, due to the long amount of time the top was spinning and that the camera cuts away before it would have lost even more momentum. 

Also, I don't know why people are saying you hear the top fall when the credits start. You just hear the start of the music. That's it. 

--- 

The idea of 'Inception' is to be a story crafted in the architecture of the mind - Cobb's mind. What people perceive to be real isn't necessarily so, because the mind can make things appear to be as real as ever. An important thing to remember is the start of the film. Dom Cobb wakes up in a place that we later find out to be limbo – more importantly, Saito's limbo. 

What happens next is something that is meaningless the first time a viewer watches the film. Saito is seen handling Cobb's totem (which was a top that he took from Mal while in limbo). At first, this is meaningless. Upon a second viewing, the viewer should realize that everything that happens after this scene (the jump cut to Cobb's attempt at extracting information from Saito, and so on) is something much deeper. 

Saito promises to give Cobb the one thing that he wants, and that's to find the way back home. How does he convince Cobb to do this? He tells him to "take a leap of faith." This is another line that goes unnoticed at first. On a second viewing, the viewer should remember that line as something that Mal told Cobb when she jumped off of the building. Is the picture becoming clearer yet? 

While in Mombasa, Cobb gets chased by anonymous agents (which he perceives to be Cobol agents) through a fantastic action sequence where Cobb escapes the dream-like narrow tunnel and is rescued by none other than Saito. A bit later, Cobb and Saito visit Yusef who brings them into a basement with various figures connected to the dream machine. The idea was for Cobb to experiment with the deep sedative. He does, and when he "wakes up," he tries to use his totem only to be interrupted by Saito. Cobb never does find out if he is in the real world or not. In fact, he hasn’t been yet. He’s been in limbo ever since he got there with Mal. Ever since then, he's been going deeper and deeper to the point where he created Saito as a projection to help him "get back home" - Did you really think Saito can just pick up the phone and make murder charges disappear? No. But, Cobb believes it and thus Saito is used to thrust Cobb further and further into a state of limbo – where at the end of the journey, Cobb truly believes he is with his children after confronting and getting over his projection of Mal. 

While in the limbo, Cobb, using Mal's totem, put the idea in her head that she was in the dream world. She was, she just hadn’t realized it yet. What the viewer forgets is that all knowledge of limbo comes from Cobb's character. To think that Cobb is 100% accurate about it is absolutely wrong. He wouldn't know dream from reality – not in the limbo that he describes to people – and definitely not if inception were performed on him to believe that limbo truly was the real world. 

Mal and Cobb never really left limbo at least, not that layer of it. When Mal jumped off the building, she gave herself the very same "kick" that Ariadne improvised later on in the movie. Mal was right about still being in the dream world. Cobb was still engulfed in limbo and didn't realize it. When Cobb and Mal had killed themselves with the train, they simply moved one layer deeper just like Saito did when he was killed, Fischer did when he was killed, and so on (this happens again at the end of the film when Saito picks up the gun in front of Cobb). 

Cobb, deep in limbo, unknowingly uses the projections of his team to keep going deeper and deeper until the idea of inception is performed on his mind, and he truly believes he was able to find a way back home. Saito's promise to Cobb was kept - in the form of Saito (a projection from Cobb) making sure that Cobb ended up in limbo, so that he could live his "life" with his kids (who are in the same position as they were all throughout the film). 

The team were projections in Cobb's mind the entire time. It's how he was able to go to Miles in Paris and find an architect named Ariadne (a name which comes from a Greek mythology story about a labyrinth) who improvised the "kick" at the end of the movie the same way that Cobb had seen (but not accepted as a dream) Mal do previously when she jumped off the building. It's how Eames happened to know of Yusef, and so on and so forth. Everything Cobb needed to make this inception work happened to work out for him. It's even how Cobb's lawyer knew so quickly that Mal had gone to 3 different shrinks to be declared "sane" and how he happened to have a ticket for Cobb to be able to get out of the country before the police would have arrested him. 

The movie ends with Cobb appearing from place to place, going from limbo with Saito, to the plane where Saito magically makes one phone call to free Cobb from his problems, to walking through the airport, to meeting Miles who is with Cobb's children. Cobb spins his totem and it spins just like it was a dream. He fixes his eyes on his children and the totem begins to lose speed – this is because inception has worked – Cobb truly believes he is in the real world. His totem will not spin like it did in the dream, not as long as he has his kids. The title of the film is now shown to us, making complete sense because the title was really Cobb's journey through his own mind: INCEPTION
 
Originally Posted by ScottHallWithAPick

I have a question. Can someone explain what limbo is? I mean I kinda get it and I kinda don't. I was thinking maybe it's a metaphor for a person who doesnt let go of the past (Leo). I got that when Sal said he was an old man living with regret when he got stuck in limbo. But I mean I know Leo was in limbo for 50 years but that doesnt mean he was sleep for 50 years. So can someone try and help me understand limbo?

Very basically:
Limbo is where you go when you dont get kicked out of the dream, and die. You can only go to limbo if the sedative used to put you to sleep is so strong that instead of death waking you up, as it would usually, instead puts you into a deeper level of dreams. A level deep enough where time is basically stopped for your body, but accelerated for your mind. Hence Leo aging 50 years in his dream, while his body aged hours.

To get out of limbo, you need to be kicked out or die in your dream (I'm assuming after the sedatives have worn off). But I guess the trick is that no one really knew that you had to die, until Cobb and Mal just said 'lets kill ourselves and see what happens!"


Maybe that wasnt so basic?
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Originally Posted by 916kings
I hate that theory. And I agree with the guy who wrote it about it being way too complicated. The only thing that was ever meant to be discussed, imo, was whether the top was gonna fall or not. Which it was, at least in my opinion.
But damn if Saito interrupting Cobb's spin in the basement didnt throw a huge unknown variable into the equation.
 
Originally Posted by ScottHallWithAPick

I have a question. Can someone explain what limbo is? I mean I kinda get it and I kinda don't. I was thinking maybe it's a metaphor for a person who doesnt let go of the past (Leo). I got that when Sal said he was an old man living with regret when he got stuck in limbo. But I mean I know Leo was in limbo for 50 years but that doesnt mean he was sleep for 50 years. So can someone try and help me understand limbo?

Very basically:
Limbo is where you go when you dont get kicked out of the dream, and die. You can only go to limbo if the sedative used to put you to sleep is so strong that instead of death waking you up, as it would usually, instead puts you into a deeper level of dreams. A level deep enough where time is basically stopped for your body, but accelerated for your mind. Hence Leo aging 50 years in his dream, while his body aged hours.

To get out of limbo, you need to be kicked out or die in your dream (I'm assuming after the sedatives have worn off). But I guess the trick is that no one really knew that you had to die, until Cobb and Mal just said 'lets kill ourselves and see what happens!"


Maybe that wasnt so basic?
ohwell.gif

Originally Posted by 916kings
I hate that theory. And I agree with the guy who wrote it about it being way too complicated. The only thing that was ever meant to be discussed, imo, was whether the top was gonna fall or not. Which it was, at least in my opinion.
But damn if Saito interrupting Cobb's spin in the basement didnt throw a huge unknown variable into the equation.
 
Originally Posted by recycledpaper

Originally Posted by Dapper D

Really, really good movie...Nolan has one hell of a mind...
Like others, there were parts that I was confused by (the whole limbo #++@) but I got the gist of it...

I don't if anyone else brought this up but throughout the movie I kept thinking...Damn this would have been a dope idea for the next Batman movie...

Like the Riddler goes inside Batman's head (or vice versa) or he makes it so that Batman is stuck in a dream state and he doesn't know what's real or not...

some #++@ like that...I don't know
laugh.gif
...

there's actually an episode from batman the animated series that follows a similar plot, except the villain who does it is the mad hatter.

one of my favorite batman TAS episodes
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The Nolan brothers did crazy research for Begins and TDK. Maybe they ran across that ep and started getting ideas? Do you remember what it was called?
 
Originally Posted by recycledpaper

Originally Posted by Dapper D

Really, really good movie...Nolan has one hell of a mind...
Like others, there were parts that I was confused by (the whole limbo #++@) but I got the gist of it...

I don't if anyone else brought this up but throughout the movie I kept thinking...Damn this would have been a dope idea for the next Batman movie...

Like the Riddler goes inside Batman's head (or vice versa) or he makes it so that Batman is stuck in a dream state and he doesn't know what's real or not...

some #++@ like that...I don't know
laugh.gif
...

there's actually an episode from batman the animated series that follows a similar plot, except the villain who does it is the mad hatter.

one of my favorite batman TAS episodes
pimp.gif
pimp.gif
pimp.gif
pimp.gif

The Nolan brothers did crazy research for Begins and TDK. Maybe they ran across that ep and started getting ideas? Do you remember what it was called?
 
The biggest clue to detect if Cobb was dreaming at the end was the children. I don't remember if it was stated how long Cobb was on hiatus from the States, but I figure it had to of been for more than a couple years, seeming he's had time to do all these other jobs and become notorious overseas. In the last seen, when he goes to finally see the faces of the children they are still the same age from his memory. I believe that he is still dreaming because you never seen his spinner stop, and as an excuse to finally see his children's faces was due to the closure he got when detaching himself from Mol. A copping mechanism so to speak.
 
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