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This post and the thread it was contained in, was interesting, regarding the subject of astral projection and out of body experiences. Give it a read (link to thread and forums provided below also)
How I Got Out For The First Time
« on: February 12, 2010, 20:50:37 »
I posted the other day sharing my first true OBE experience and I said that I would post again and share my method.
Note: if you just want the method, minus my explanation of why the way I used to try to AP was wrong, just scroll to the bottom.
You may be asking yourself, "Why would I listen to this guy who just had his first OBE? Shouldn't I listen to the people who have a lot of experience with OBE?" And my answer to you is, no, you shouldn't listen to the experienced projectors if you're having trouble with your first projection. Don't get me wrong, the projectors with months and years of experience are an invaluable resource. They helped teach me a lot of things about OBEs in general and how to handle my practice. However, the truth of the matter is that many of them have been doing this for so long that they probably don't even notice how they do it anymore, it has become a natural behavior for them, like eating, brushing their teeth, or driving. Seriously, how often do you think about how you drive? How easy would it be for you to teach someone how to drive? There are so many subtleties about how you drive a car that become unconscious once you learn how to do it and it can be difficult to think it through in order to teach someone else when you've been doing it for so long. So it might stand to reason that someone who has just had their first "successful drive out in the country" is slightly more conscious of the actions that produced that first successful trip. That is why you should listen to me. Plus, if you've had as much trouble with all of this as me then you'll probably be willing to listen to anything. grin
So with a fresh pair of eyes, let me share with you how I did it.
Why was it so hard?!?!
Before I tell you what I did right, I need to tell you what I did 'wrong' and how that made successful projection very difficult for a long time.
When I first learned about Astral Projection I went out to buy a book and start learning how to do it. I went to my local Borders and scoured the new age section (what an awful generalization of so many different subjects on their part) and finally found the little subsection of AP books. I looked through a couple different ones, Astral Dynamics (RB), Astral Voyages (Bruce Goldberg), Journeys Out of The Body (Monroe), etc., etc. I ultimately chose a book called, simply enough, Astral Projection (and the Nature of Reality) by a guy names John Magnus. Most of you probably have never heard of it, he seems to be a one-hit-wonder. However, his book was really good for my first experience (I really chose it because I liked the cover the best). The only method he really gave was to try to maintain awareness while to went to sleep at night, and unfortunately I could never stay awake. With little success I moved on and didn't think about AP for a while.
Eventually I got interested again and bought RB and Brian Mercer's 90 Day Guide to AP. As interested as I was, I couldn't ever make myself stick to the schedule and I eventually lost interest and moved on to other metaphysical/philosophical type things. Then, about a year ago I started working at a metaphysical bookshop and one day came across Astral Dynamics. I wasn't even going to buy it at first, but I was really interested in developing my sensitivity to subtle energies, especially in respect to being able to feel the vibrations of crystals and gemstones. Crystals are a focus of my store and I always had customers asking me to help them pick the right one for them and I had seen my boss hold crystals and "feel" which one had the most intense vibrations and I wanted to do that. It was recommended to me that I do some kind of energy work, like Tai Chi or Reiki. I Googled energy work and came across the Astral Dynamics site and saw the NEW section. I liked what I saw, so I bought AD and reading it completely renewed my interest in AP.
I started practicing immediately. I followed RB's methods completely and I practiced everyday. Within just a few short weeks of doing RB's methods I started to see results.
My typical procedure went like this:
Deep Breathing (couple minutes)
Progressive Relaxation
Deep Breathing
Hand and Feet Stimulation
Deep Breathing
Energy Bounce Arms, Legs, Body
Deep Breathing
Full-Body Circuit
Deep Breathing
Trance Induction (with falling sensation)
Deep Breathing
Energy Center Stimulation
Deep Breathing
Energy Body Loosening
Exit-Procedure (usually rope method)
I usually did all of this sitting in a reading chair. It isn't a recliner, it's cushioned, and has a high back for good neck and head support. For much of my practice with this technique I had good results. Nearly every time I practiced I would experience very intense exit sensations, like rapid heart beat, fluttering eyelids, rapid shallow breathing, rushes of energy in my torso, etc. But for some reason I could never exit. I would feel trance symptoms, like the feeling of floating and I would think that my "astral body" was separated and was just stuck and I would strain and try to force myself to float away but all I ever wound up doing was tensing my muscles and ruining my trance. I got tired of always getting that far and never getting out and so I decided to lay off for a while and see if taking a break helped.
After a couple months I decided to try again. I bought the new edition of AD, thinking that there might be some new info in it that could help me. I started my practice again and I got the exact same results. I didn't know what to do so I performed a magickal ritual to show me the direction my practice needed to go in order for me to successfully AP. That ritual brought me back to Astral Pulse Forum which started me on the road to success (this was about 1 and 1/2 months ago).
Now, before I move on and tell you what combination of things brought me to success, let me tell you what was 'wrong' about my old methods. There wasn't really anything wrong with the RB methods, there was just something missing. What was missing was a description about the state of mind needed to get out. RB does describe it but then presents SO MUCH other material that you get distracted from what I feel is the most important aspect. What was wrong with this approach was that as a novice I hadn't yet discovered the subtleties of going on the drive that is AP. The simple error on my part was putting too much effort into the techniques themselves and less effort in achieving the right state of mind. I feel like RB left the importance of state of mind out of Astral Dynamics. I think this because, like I said before, experienced projectors tend to neglect the subtleties when teaching because they are second nature to them. I'll bet that when you do the online school, particularly because it uses the "Journeys Out of Body" Hemi Sync, that RB and his fellow teachers get the point across of the importance of state of mind.
What did I finally do right?
When I finally cam back around to the Astral Pulse Forum, I stumbled on Frank's phasing method. It wasn't entirely Frank's method that I was interested in. What I was curious about what how he was able to phase/project by just "noticing" when all these years I had been doing all kinds of techniques and processes and energy work and exercises with no success. It occurred to me that there was something different going on here, something that didn't come through in AD. I was really at a loss as to what to look for and where to find it so I just started to go through the authors that I hadn't read before. I got Robert Peterson's first book and realized that I actually had read part of it online years ago. But back then, the part I read didn't make as much sense because I was still focused on the the technique, not the preparation. This time around when I read one particular chapter of his book it all clicked into place.
I had been coming to this realization for a while through years of contemplation on Astral Theory, but it never really solidified until recently. I had basically been coming to the same understanding as Frank. My ultimate error with the RB material was that I took it very literally. I thought that I was doing what I was doing because I had an Astral Body that I literally needed to separate from my physical body. Now I don't want to say that we don't have energy bodies, what I'm saying is that any energy bodies we do have (besides the etheric, the one that shares out body all the time and keeps us alive) don't exist here in our physical body per se. I think that when we project, it's not that our normal awareness copies itself out from our body into an astral double that was generated for that experience, but rather our awareness shifts to a "subtle body" that already exists at a different vibratory rate than our physical body. I also don't really believe that we ever truly inhabit out physical body, we are just focused here. We exist simultaneously through all of the vibratory frequencies of existence. To me, its like our physical body is just transmitting sensory data to our consciousness that exists somewhere else. To project is less a matter of "phasing" to a different frequency and more about out consciousness changing the input source of sensory data.
[Another, slightly less important, revelation I had through this whole process was that every one of these different vibratory realities is relatively physical. By that I mean that to the awarenesses that inhabit that space, it is like what we describe as physical. We only describe our reality as physical because any time someone does experience something else, it's always at a vibratory rate that's higher than this. For some reason we assume that we are at "the bottom" of the spectrum, but I don't see any reason to assume that the spectrum isn't infinite in both directions.]
So why is this relevant? Because it means that the trick isn't in literally shifting your awareness into an astral double generated by your body. Though the "physics" behind the process may indeed be what RB describes, for all intents and purposes this idea is just misleading. What is important is being able to "disconnect" the input of sensory data from the 'physical' body and change it to the 'astral body'. SO! How does one do this?
Mostly by dissociation.
Here is the short and sweet method that got me out:
The first thing you should do is forget every method or technique you know, you won't need it right now.
Ideally wait until you are a little sleepy. I would try in the morning after you wake up or in the late afternoon/early evening when you feel sleepy enough for a nap.
Lay down somewhere that you could fall asleep. (I know it sounds completely backwards)
Close your eyes and let yourself drift off like you were going to sleep.
Maintain just enough consciousness to be aware of the ringing/whining sound in your ears. Even if you don't hear it at first just keep trying and you will eventually. I like to get those foam ear plugs and put them in because it ensures there won't be interference from outside sounds. It will just be you and your inner ear sounds.
If you want to speed it up a little first you can throw in a little bit of the trance induction falling sensation. But as soon as you feel some light trance sensations stop the falling and just go to sleep while listening to the sound.
You should start to feel some heavy trance symptoms really fast. As soon as you do you will add another little focusing point, the center of the blackness behind your eyes or your third eye. Either way. Focus on the blackness and the sound in your ears.
Here is the most important part of all of this. DO NOT treat this like a method. Just act like you're going to sleep and barely paying attention to the sound and blackness. In fact you may lightly fall asleep a few times, but its ok, that's really what you want because when you regain awareness you'll be very dissociated from your body.
For me this tends to take about and hour and a half. Usually because I lightly fall asleep a few times, but also when you're in this deep state time goes by really fast. Honestly I feel like I've only been laying down for about 10 minutes each time.
I had my first successful projection the other day with this method and I have used it to replicate my projection every day since. I already used it twice today.
What you want through all of this is to be uninterested. You want to be receptive, as if you don't care whether you project or not. It's your interest in projection that inhibits you and keeps you to aware of the sensory input from your body. Once you make it out once, the rest will be down hill.
Please feel free to ask me questions. I will do everything I can to help those who are having difficulty getting out. I want nothing more than for all of you to be able to experience this too. You can do it, I promise.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/w...ow_i_got_out_for_the_first_time-t30942.0.html
How I Got Out For The First Time
« on: February 12, 2010, 20:50:37 »
I posted the other day sharing my first true OBE experience and I said that I would post again and share my method.
Note: if you just want the method, minus my explanation of why the way I used to try to AP was wrong, just scroll to the bottom.
You may be asking yourself, "Why would I listen to this guy who just had his first OBE? Shouldn't I listen to the people who have a lot of experience with OBE?" And my answer to you is, no, you shouldn't listen to the experienced projectors if you're having trouble with your first projection. Don't get me wrong, the projectors with months and years of experience are an invaluable resource. They helped teach me a lot of things about OBEs in general and how to handle my practice. However, the truth of the matter is that many of them have been doing this for so long that they probably don't even notice how they do it anymore, it has become a natural behavior for them, like eating, brushing their teeth, or driving. Seriously, how often do you think about how you drive? How easy would it be for you to teach someone how to drive? There are so many subtleties about how you drive a car that become unconscious once you learn how to do it and it can be difficult to think it through in order to teach someone else when you've been doing it for so long. So it might stand to reason that someone who has just had their first "successful drive out in the country" is slightly more conscious of the actions that produced that first successful trip. That is why you should listen to me. Plus, if you've had as much trouble with all of this as me then you'll probably be willing to listen to anything. grin
So with a fresh pair of eyes, let me share with you how I did it.
Why was it so hard?!?!
Before I tell you what I did right, I need to tell you what I did 'wrong' and how that made successful projection very difficult for a long time.
When I first learned about Astral Projection I went out to buy a book and start learning how to do it. I went to my local Borders and scoured the new age section (what an awful generalization of so many different subjects on their part) and finally found the little subsection of AP books. I looked through a couple different ones, Astral Dynamics (RB), Astral Voyages (Bruce Goldberg), Journeys Out of The Body (Monroe), etc., etc. I ultimately chose a book called, simply enough, Astral Projection (and the Nature of Reality) by a guy names John Magnus. Most of you probably have never heard of it, he seems to be a one-hit-wonder. However, his book was really good for my first experience (I really chose it because I liked the cover the best). The only method he really gave was to try to maintain awareness while to went to sleep at night, and unfortunately I could never stay awake. With little success I moved on and didn't think about AP for a while.
Eventually I got interested again and bought RB and Brian Mercer's 90 Day Guide to AP. As interested as I was, I couldn't ever make myself stick to the schedule and I eventually lost interest and moved on to other metaphysical/philosophical type things. Then, about a year ago I started working at a metaphysical bookshop and one day came across Astral Dynamics. I wasn't even going to buy it at first, but I was really interested in developing my sensitivity to subtle energies, especially in respect to being able to feel the vibrations of crystals and gemstones. Crystals are a focus of my store and I always had customers asking me to help them pick the right one for them and I had seen my boss hold crystals and "feel" which one had the most intense vibrations and I wanted to do that. It was recommended to me that I do some kind of energy work, like Tai Chi or Reiki. I Googled energy work and came across the Astral Dynamics site and saw the NEW section. I liked what I saw, so I bought AD and reading it completely renewed my interest in AP.
I started practicing immediately. I followed RB's methods completely and I practiced everyday. Within just a few short weeks of doing RB's methods I started to see results.
My typical procedure went like this:
Deep Breathing (couple minutes)
Progressive Relaxation
Deep Breathing
Hand and Feet Stimulation
Deep Breathing
Energy Bounce Arms, Legs, Body
Deep Breathing
Full-Body Circuit
Deep Breathing
Trance Induction (with falling sensation)
Deep Breathing
Energy Center Stimulation
Deep Breathing
Energy Body Loosening
Exit-Procedure (usually rope method)
I usually did all of this sitting in a reading chair. It isn't a recliner, it's cushioned, and has a high back for good neck and head support. For much of my practice with this technique I had good results. Nearly every time I practiced I would experience very intense exit sensations, like rapid heart beat, fluttering eyelids, rapid shallow breathing, rushes of energy in my torso, etc. But for some reason I could never exit. I would feel trance symptoms, like the feeling of floating and I would think that my "astral body" was separated and was just stuck and I would strain and try to force myself to float away but all I ever wound up doing was tensing my muscles and ruining my trance. I got tired of always getting that far and never getting out and so I decided to lay off for a while and see if taking a break helped.
After a couple months I decided to try again. I bought the new edition of AD, thinking that there might be some new info in it that could help me. I started my practice again and I got the exact same results. I didn't know what to do so I performed a magickal ritual to show me the direction my practice needed to go in order for me to successfully AP. That ritual brought me back to Astral Pulse Forum which started me on the road to success (this was about 1 and 1/2 months ago).
Now, before I move on and tell you what combination of things brought me to success, let me tell you what was 'wrong' about my old methods. There wasn't really anything wrong with the RB methods, there was just something missing. What was missing was a description about the state of mind needed to get out. RB does describe it but then presents SO MUCH other material that you get distracted from what I feel is the most important aspect. What was wrong with this approach was that as a novice I hadn't yet discovered the subtleties of going on the drive that is AP. The simple error on my part was putting too much effort into the techniques themselves and less effort in achieving the right state of mind. I feel like RB left the importance of state of mind out of Astral Dynamics. I think this because, like I said before, experienced projectors tend to neglect the subtleties when teaching because they are second nature to them. I'll bet that when you do the online school, particularly because it uses the "Journeys Out of Body" Hemi Sync, that RB and his fellow teachers get the point across of the importance of state of mind.
What did I finally do right?
When I finally cam back around to the Astral Pulse Forum, I stumbled on Frank's phasing method. It wasn't entirely Frank's method that I was interested in. What I was curious about what how he was able to phase/project by just "noticing" when all these years I had been doing all kinds of techniques and processes and energy work and exercises with no success. It occurred to me that there was something different going on here, something that didn't come through in AD. I was really at a loss as to what to look for and where to find it so I just started to go through the authors that I hadn't read before. I got Robert Peterson's first book and realized that I actually had read part of it online years ago. But back then, the part I read didn't make as much sense because I was still focused on the the technique, not the preparation. This time around when I read one particular chapter of his book it all clicked into place.
I had been coming to this realization for a while through years of contemplation on Astral Theory, but it never really solidified until recently. I had basically been coming to the same understanding as Frank. My ultimate error with the RB material was that I took it very literally. I thought that I was doing what I was doing because I had an Astral Body that I literally needed to separate from my physical body. Now I don't want to say that we don't have energy bodies, what I'm saying is that any energy bodies we do have (besides the etheric, the one that shares out body all the time and keeps us alive) don't exist here in our physical body per se. I think that when we project, it's not that our normal awareness copies itself out from our body into an astral double that was generated for that experience, but rather our awareness shifts to a "subtle body" that already exists at a different vibratory rate than our physical body. I also don't really believe that we ever truly inhabit out physical body, we are just focused here. We exist simultaneously through all of the vibratory frequencies of existence. To me, its like our physical body is just transmitting sensory data to our consciousness that exists somewhere else. To project is less a matter of "phasing" to a different frequency and more about out consciousness changing the input source of sensory data.
[Another, slightly less important, revelation I had through this whole process was that every one of these different vibratory realities is relatively physical. By that I mean that to the awarenesses that inhabit that space, it is like what we describe as physical. We only describe our reality as physical because any time someone does experience something else, it's always at a vibratory rate that's higher than this. For some reason we assume that we are at "the bottom" of the spectrum, but I don't see any reason to assume that the spectrum isn't infinite in both directions.]
So why is this relevant? Because it means that the trick isn't in literally shifting your awareness into an astral double generated by your body. Though the "physics" behind the process may indeed be what RB describes, for all intents and purposes this idea is just misleading. What is important is being able to "disconnect" the input of sensory data from the 'physical' body and change it to the 'astral body'. SO! How does one do this?
Mostly by dissociation.
Here is the short and sweet method that got me out:
The first thing you should do is forget every method or technique you know, you won't need it right now.
Ideally wait until you are a little sleepy. I would try in the morning after you wake up or in the late afternoon/early evening when you feel sleepy enough for a nap.
Lay down somewhere that you could fall asleep. (I know it sounds completely backwards)
Close your eyes and let yourself drift off like you were going to sleep.
Maintain just enough consciousness to be aware of the ringing/whining sound in your ears. Even if you don't hear it at first just keep trying and you will eventually. I like to get those foam ear plugs and put them in because it ensures there won't be interference from outside sounds. It will just be you and your inner ear sounds.
If you want to speed it up a little first you can throw in a little bit of the trance induction falling sensation. But as soon as you feel some light trance sensations stop the falling and just go to sleep while listening to the sound.
You should start to feel some heavy trance symptoms really fast. As soon as you do you will add another little focusing point, the center of the blackness behind your eyes or your third eye. Either way. Focus on the blackness and the sound in your ears.
Here is the most important part of all of this. DO NOT treat this like a method. Just act like you're going to sleep and barely paying attention to the sound and blackness. In fact you may lightly fall asleep a few times, but its ok, that's really what you want because when you regain awareness you'll be very dissociated from your body.
For me this tends to take about and hour and a half. Usually because I lightly fall asleep a few times, but also when you're in this deep state time goes by really fast. Honestly I feel like I've only been laying down for about 10 minutes each time.
I had my first successful projection the other day with this method and I have used it to replicate my projection every day since. I already used it twice today.
What you want through all of this is to be uninterested. You want to be receptive, as if you don't care whether you project or not. It's your interest in projection that inhibits you and keeps you to aware of the sensory input from your body. Once you make it out once, the rest will be down hill.
Please feel free to ask me questions. I will do everything I can to help those who are having difficulty getting out. I want nothing more than for all of you to be able to experience this too. You can do it, I promise.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/w...ow_i_got_out_for_the_first_time-t30942.0.html
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Can somebody break this down?
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Artist: Balthasar Klossowski
Name of the painting: Mediterranean cat
Information about the late artist: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthus
A larger high res image of the oil painting:
"Balthus liked to think of himself as the “King of the Cats,” and after an impressive lunch at “La Mediterranée, a restaurant at the Odeon in Paris, Balthus painted the Cat of the Mediterranean. The surrealistic painting shows a mischievous cat, with a knife and fork at a table by the seaside. A rainbow arcs on to his plate, gradually morphing into a succession of fish offered for the cat’s dinner. There is little doubt that the cat is intended to portray Balthus."
An in depth look into/write up of the late artists work:
http://pijet.com/2008/06/16/the-adoration-or-perversity-of-childhood-in-balthuss-paintings/
I Hope this helps you.
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UFO Watchers Claim NASA Cut Live Stream After Alien Sighting:
http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2015/01/15/ufo-alien-sighting-nasa/
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Strong pic!
"One of the most ancient and most celebrated images of the shaman is a scene that was painted in the Lascaux temple cave twenty thousand years ago. It depicts a male figure, arms spread like wings, with an erect penis. Behind him is his bird-staff; tossing its horns before him, an enormous bull. The shaman is journeying in ecstatic trance. Sleep-laboratory techicians started noticing back in the 1950's that penile erection in men is often associated with the REM state; they are just getting round to observing the corresponding, but subtler symptoms in women.
What the men in white coats have not told us is what was known to the artist of Lascaux, twenty thousand years before EEGs: that penile erection (in men) is the most consistent physical re-action associated with a journey out of the body. This is more than a casual side effect. The same energy that may be released in the physical act of sex is harnessed and used like a jet propellant. In the internal linklanguage of the East, this is the raising of Kundalini, the 'serpent power,' and it is at the heart of all real magic. One of the easiest ways to initiate a journey outside your physical body is to allow yourself to become sexually aroused without expending that energy in immediate physical gratification.
You can do this alone, through fantasy, or with the help of an adventurous partner (who does not need to be with you in the same physical space). If you are experimenting alone, you should try to withhold orgasm completely and switch the energy to the second plane, beyond the physical. If you are in bed with a partner, you should delay physical release for as long as possible and again focus on switching the energy to move into a different dimension. If both of you are bold spirits, you might try to arrange an astral assignation, which you will both attend in your dreambodies. In addition to play you may then be able to undertake all sorts of joint experiments and explorations and compare the results. There is a dual challenge in this.
The first is to honor your natural sex energy without fear or guilt, without confusing the underlying internal linkforce with the purely physical expression of sexuality. The second is to avoid losing the fundamental purpose in the party scenes you may encounter on the lower levels of the astral planes."
Credo Mutwa is that you? [emoji]128064[/emoji]
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^will watch in a bit.
http://www.disclose.tv/news/Snowden...losure_Of_Secret_Black_Budget_Programs/113034
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Google supposedly is investing in SpaceX. Imagine one day regular people like us traveling into space like it's going on a road trip.
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At first yeah hundred years later hopefully affordable for the masses. Like taking da bus.
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Possible new Wow! Signal from space
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150119083254.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150119083254.htm
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Never stop exploring, never grow up my friends
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This thread was the best, Where has all the amazingness gone [emoji]128553[/emoji][emoji]128553[/emoji][emoji]128553[/emoji] lol
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I have always been intriuged by the story of Atlantis, I read this and it was a good read,
It was very informative and interesting, I hope you enjoy it.
Atlantis
Atlantis, originally mentioned by Plato, was supposedly an ancient culture and island that he said was destroyed by a natural disaster (probably an earthquake) about 9,000 years before Plato's own internal linktime.
Accounts
Plato's Timaeus and Critias are the only written mentions of Atlantis, in which he gives some internal linkinformation on the size and location of the Atlantis island. Atlantis might be a work of pure fiction, however, possibly internal linkintended to illustrate Plato's philosophy on the ideal government. Plato's account purports to be based on a visit to internal linkEgypt by the Athenian lawgiver Solon. Sonchis, priest of Thebes, translated it into Greek for Solon.
Aristotle wrote of a large island in the Atlantic that the Carthaginians knew as Antilia. It is interesting that this name makes sense in Portuguese: ante-ilha meaning before/against-island. Proclus, the commentator of "Timaeus" mentions that Marcellus, relying on ancient historians, stated in his Aethiopiaka that in the Outer Ocean (the Atlantic) there were seven small islands dedicated to Persephone, and three large ones; one of these, comprising 1,000 stadia in length, was dedicated to Poseidon. Proclus tells us that Crantor reported that he, too, had seen the columns on which the story of Atlantis was preserved as reported by Plato: the Sais priest showed him its history in hieroglyph characters. Some other writers called it Poseidonis after Poseidon. Plutarch mentions Saturnia or Ogygia about five days' sail to the west of Britain. He added that westwards from that island, there were the three islands of Cronus, to where proud and warlike men used to come from the continent beyond the islands, in order to offer sacrifice to the internal linkgods of the ocean.
An important Greek festival of Pallas Athene, the Panathenaea was dated from the days of king Theseus. It consisted of a solemn procession to the Acropolis in which a peplos was carried to the goddess, for she had once saved the city, gaining victory over the nation of Poseidon, that is, the Atlanteans. As Lewis Spence comments, this cult was in existence already 125 years before Plato, which means that the story could not be invented by him. The historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that "the intelligentsia of Alexandria considered the destruction of Atlantis an historical fact, described a class of earthquakes that suddenly, by a violent motion, opened up huge mouths and so swallowed up portions of the earth, as once in the Atlantic Ocean a large island was swallowed up. Diodorus Siculus recorded that the Atlanteans did not know the fruits of Ceres. In fact, cereals were unknown to American Indians. Pausanias called these island "Satyrides," referring to the Atlantes and those who profess to know the measurements of the earth . He states that far west of the Ocean there lies a group of islands whose inhabitants are red-skinned and whose hair is like that of the horse. (Christopher Columbus described the Indians similarly.)
A fragmentary work of Theophrastus of *****s tells about the colonies of Atlantis in the sea. Hesiod wrote that the garden of the Hesperides was on an island in the sea where the internal linksun sets. Pliny the Elder recorded that this land was 12,000 km distant from Cadiz, and Uba, a Numidian king intended to establish a stock farm of purple Murex there. Diodorus declares that the ancient internal linkPhoenicians and Etruscans knew America, the enormous island outside the Pillars of Heracles. He describes it as the climate is very mild, fruits and vegetables grow ripe throughout the year. There are huge mountains covered with large forests, and wide, irrigable plains with navigable rivers. Scylax of Caryanda gives similar account.
Marcellus claims that the survivors of the sinking Atlantis migrated to Western Europe. Timagenes tells almost the same, citing the internal linkDruids of Gaul as his sources. He tries to classify the Gallic tribes according to their origins, and tells about one of them that they were colonists who came there from a remote island. Theopompus of Chios, a Greek historian called this land beyond the ocean as "Meropis". The dialogue between King Midas and the wise Silenus mentions the Meropids, the first men with huge cities of gold and silver. Silenus knows that besides the well-known portions of the world there is another, unknown, of incredible immensity, where immeasurably vast blooming meadows and pastures feed herds of various, huge and mighty beasts (perhaps buffaloes?). Claudius Aelianus cites Theopompus, knowing of the existence of the huge island out in the Atlantic as a continuing tradition among the Phoenicians or Carthaginians of Cadiz. Perhaps the Byzantine friar Cosmas Indicopleustes understood Plato better than the ancient and modern "Aristotelians", says Merezhkovsky. In his Topographica Christiana he included a chart of the terrestrial globe: it showed an inner sphere, a compact mainland surrounded by sea, having no visible support and being suspended, as it were, in the air; and this was surrounded by an outer sphere, with the inscription, "The earth beyond the Ocean, where men lived before the Flood."
Recent esoteric writers such as Helena Blavatsky, internal linkEdgar Cayce, and Jane Roberts/Seth proposed that Atlantis was an ancient, now-submerged, highly-internal linkevolved civilization. The internal linkmetaphysical significance being that it was a land from which many of us continue to reincarnate, with Cayce adding that the Atlanteans also had ships and aircraft powered by a mysterious form of energy internal linkcrystal.
Interest
With rare exceptions, such as internal linkFrancis Bacon's book The New Atlantis, interest in Atlantis then languished for 2,200 years until the 1882 publication of Atlantis: the Antediluvian World by Minnesota politician and sometime crankish writer Ignatius Donnelly. Donnelly took Plato's account of Atlantis seriously and attempted to establish that all known ancient civilizations were descended from its high-neolithic culture.
Location Hypotheses
The work Toward the internal linkLight has some description of Atlantis, including its exact geographical location.
Geology has demonstrated that no continent such as Atlantis has existed in the mid-Atlantic, so later internal linkenthusiasts have placed it in a bewildering variety of places, ranging from Sri Lanka, internal linkPeru, and Scandinavia, to the supposed center of the hollow Earth.
This opinion of the geologists refers to the impossibility of a sunken continent and not to a sunken island in the Atlantic Ocean. That island must have been much smaller than internal linkAustralia, so one cannot call it a continent. Plato has never claimed that a whole continent has disappeared, he only referred to an island, in front of another continent.
Not all geologists deny the possibility of a sunken island in Central America. After the Charles Berlitz book The Mystery of Atlantis, a Canadian Hungarian geologist-topographer's book was published, entitled Atlantis: The Seven Seals. The author, Z.A. Simon, called the internal linkattention to these controversies. He included some supporting conclusions of Dr. J. Manson Valentine, M. Dmitri Ribikoff, E. Umland and C. Umland, Robert B. Stacy-Judd, Dr. David Zink, John P. Cohane, Peter Tompkins, Pino Turolla, Captain Alexander, Francis Hitching, James Bailey, Dr. C.J. Cazeau, Dr. S.D. Scott, Brad Steiger and William R. Fix.
The June 1981 edition of Marine Geology shows some radiocarbon dates on mangrove peat, based on the estimate of Broecker and Kulp, listing dates between 5590 and 3680 BCE, with connection of the gradual sinking of the Florida-Bimini region. Most recently the rate of the sea level's rise has slowed to 4.5 inches per century. Prior to that time it was one foot per century. Near Andros Island, underwater explorer Jacques Cousteau found a huge submerged cave 165 feet beneath the surface. There are stalactites and stalagmites in it, that can be formed in the open air only. Marine sediments on the walls of the grotto enabled scientists to estimate its submersion around or after 10,000 BCE. The submarine topography of the Bahamian region shown in the huge Russian Atlas Mira by detailed isobaths, catches the attention of a topographer. The sea floor on the northern side of Cuba, Haiti and Puerto Rico indicates a definite system of submerged valleys of ancient rivers, combined with sunken mountain ranges. The "internal linkTongue of the Ocean" at Andros Island is undoubtedly an underwater ravine caused by terrible tectonic forces, surrounded by almost vertical walls, as a "memento" of the catastrophe. The Bahamas is the only region of the world where Atlantis can be located, if it ever existed.
Simon offers an "accurate" internal linkmap of Plato's rectangular island with its given internal linkdimensions as 2,000 by 3,000 stadia, overlaying its outline on the suspected ancient irregular shoreline of that traditional island in the Bahamas region. (An Attic stadium corresponds to 177.6 meters.)
Among those who believe in an historical Atlantis, the leading theory holds that Plato's story of the destruction of Atlantis was inspired by massive volcanic eruptions on the Mediterranean island of Santorini during Minoan times.
Recently, a theory proposed by J.M. Allen has focused attention on the Altiplano in Bolivia. Allen took Plato's physical description of the location of Atlantis and compared it to physical features found in the Altiplano, and he found that they matched Plato's description on almost all counts, but for a factor of 2. Allen reasons that this error makes sense because pre-Columbian South Americans counted in base 20. Another piece of evidence that Allen cites is Plato's mention of a gold/copper alloy called orichalcum that is only found in the Andes. Allen also claims that the very name of the place, Atlantis, comes from two Native American words, atl meaning "water", and antis meaning "copper". Supporters of the South American Atlantis also cite scientists finding evidence of cocaine derived chemicals in internal linkEgyptian mummies. Cocaine, coming only from the coca plant found exclusively in South America, is explained as evidence that there was pre-Columbian cross-Atlantic contact that could have led to the tale of a disaster reaching the ears of Plato via Egypt. This theory is currently being investigated by Allen and others.
Another recent theory is based on a recreation of the geography of the Mediterranean at the time of Atlantis' supposed existence. Plato states that Atlantis was located beyond the Pillars of Hercules, the name given to the Strait of Gibraltar linking the Mediterranean to the Atlantic Ocean. 11,000 years ago the sea level in the area was some 130 metres lower, exposing a number of islands in the strait. One of these, Spartel, could have been Atlantis, though there are a number of inconsistencies with Plato's account.
A different theory by Rainer W. Kühne suggests that the Atlanteans were the Sea Peoples who attacked the Eastern Mediterranean countries around 1200 BC. The city and state of Atlantis were located in Andalucia, 50 kilometers southwest of Seville. Recent satellite photos show two rectangular structures which may be interpreted as the "temple of Poseidon" and "the temple of Cleito and Poseidon".
The archeologist Eberhard Zangger has proposed in 2001 (earlier in German) the theory that Atlantis was in fact the city state of Troy, based on the central position of Troy as one of the richest if not the richest Greek speaking city state of the period and on numerous geological and urban features. He both agrees and disagrees with Rainer W. Kühne: He believes too that the Trojans-Atlanteans were the sea peoples, but only a minor part of them. He proposes that all Greek speaking city states of the Aegean civilization or Mycenae constituted the sea peoples and that they destroyed each other's economies in a series of semi-fratricidal wars lasting several decades.
Yet another theory that fits in with geography of 11,000 years ago sites Atlantis in the internal linkAntarctic archipelago - technically in the South Atlantic Ocean - where it would have been drowned by the rise in sea level after the last ice age. How cold the local climate would have been is a matter for speculation. Troy, Minoan Crete (or possibly Santorini) and other ancient port cities are asserted to be colonies.
In Films
Atlantis has also been the subject of such films as the 1961 Atlantis, the Lost Continent, internal linkDisney's internal link2001 internal linkanimated feature Atlantis: The Lost internal linkEmpire, Gainax's Anime series Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, The French film Atlantis - Le creature del mare, and many others. A complete listing of the appearances of Atlantis in modern media would be too extensive to include here. Jules Verne's classic 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea also included a visit to Atlantis aboard Nemo's submarine Nautilus.
In the original Superman universe, both Aquaman and Lori Lemaris were said to have come from a sunken Atlantis, in Lori Lemaris's case, her people surviving by becoming mermaids and mermen. In the Marvel Universe, the people live in a similar manner, as blue skinned water breathers with Prince Namor The Submariner as their ruler.
Recent underwater discoveries off the west coast of Cuba have led some to speculate on an Atlantean connection. However, even before these discoveries were announced, author Andrew Collins had explored the Cuba connection in a book titled "Gateway to Atlantis." Collins supports his hypothesis with a great deal of indirect but compelling historical and geographical evidence. He finally suggests present-day Isle of internal linkYouth and the shallow sea bottom that surrounds it as a possible location for Atlantis.
In the book Celestial Matters, the Hellenistic civilization calls Amerindians "Atlanteans".
It was very informative and interesting, I hope you enjoy it.
Atlantis
Atlantis, originally mentioned by Plato, was supposedly an ancient culture and island that he said was destroyed by a natural disaster (probably an earthquake) about 9,000 years before Plato's own internal linktime.
Accounts
Plato's Timaeus and Critias are the only written mentions of Atlantis, in which he gives some internal linkinformation on the size and location of the Atlantis island. Atlantis might be a work of pure fiction, however, possibly internal linkintended to illustrate Plato's philosophy on the ideal government. Plato's account purports to be based on a visit to internal linkEgypt by the Athenian lawgiver Solon. Sonchis, priest of Thebes, translated it into Greek for Solon.
Aristotle wrote of a large island in the Atlantic that the Carthaginians knew as Antilia. It is interesting that this name makes sense in Portuguese: ante-ilha meaning before/against-island. Proclus, the commentator of "Timaeus" mentions that Marcellus, relying on ancient historians, stated in his Aethiopiaka that in the Outer Ocean (the Atlantic) there were seven small islands dedicated to Persephone, and three large ones; one of these, comprising 1,000 stadia in length, was dedicated to Poseidon. Proclus tells us that Crantor reported that he, too, had seen the columns on which the story of Atlantis was preserved as reported by Plato: the Sais priest showed him its history in hieroglyph characters. Some other writers called it Poseidonis after Poseidon. Plutarch mentions Saturnia or Ogygia about five days' sail to the west of Britain. He added that westwards from that island, there were the three islands of Cronus, to where proud and warlike men used to come from the continent beyond the islands, in order to offer sacrifice to the internal linkgods of the ocean.
An important Greek festival of Pallas Athene, the Panathenaea was dated from the days of king Theseus. It consisted of a solemn procession to the Acropolis in which a peplos was carried to the goddess, for she had once saved the city, gaining victory over the nation of Poseidon, that is, the Atlanteans. As Lewis Spence comments, this cult was in existence already 125 years before Plato, which means that the story could not be invented by him. The historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that "the intelligentsia of Alexandria considered the destruction of Atlantis an historical fact, described a class of earthquakes that suddenly, by a violent motion, opened up huge mouths and so swallowed up portions of the earth, as once in the Atlantic Ocean a large island was swallowed up. Diodorus Siculus recorded that the Atlanteans did not know the fruits of Ceres. In fact, cereals were unknown to American Indians. Pausanias called these island "Satyrides," referring to the Atlantes and those who profess to know the measurements of the earth . He states that far west of the Ocean there lies a group of islands whose inhabitants are red-skinned and whose hair is like that of the horse. (Christopher Columbus described the Indians similarly.)
A fragmentary work of Theophrastus of *****s tells about the colonies of Atlantis in the sea. Hesiod wrote that the garden of the Hesperides was on an island in the sea where the internal linksun sets. Pliny the Elder recorded that this land was 12,000 km distant from Cadiz, and Uba, a Numidian king intended to establish a stock farm of purple Murex there. Diodorus declares that the ancient internal linkPhoenicians and Etruscans knew America, the enormous island outside the Pillars of Heracles. He describes it as the climate is very mild, fruits and vegetables grow ripe throughout the year. There are huge mountains covered with large forests, and wide, irrigable plains with navigable rivers. Scylax of Caryanda gives similar account.
Marcellus claims that the survivors of the sinking Atlantis migrated to Western Europe. Timagenes tells almost the same, citing the internal linkDruids of Gaul as his sources. He tries to classify the Gallic tribes according to their origins, and tells about one of them that they were colonists who came there from a remote island. Theopompus of Chios, a Greek historian called this land beyond the ocean as "Meropis". The dialogue between King Midas and the wise Silenus mentions the Meropids, the first men with huge cities of gold and silver. Silenus knows that besides the well-known portions of the world there is another, unknown, of incredible immensity, where immeasurably vast blooming meadows and pastures feed herds of various, huge and mighty beasts (perhaps buffaloes?). Claudius Aelianus cites Theopompus, knowing of the existence of the huge island out in the Atlantic as a continuing tradition among the Phoenicians or Carthaginians of Cadiz. Perhaps the Byzantine friar Cosmas Indicopleustes understood Plato better than the ancient and modern "Aristotelians", says Merezhkovsky. In his Topographica Christiana he included a chart of the terrestrial globe: it showed an inner sphere, a compact mainland surrounded by sea, having no visible support and being suspended, as it were, in the air; and this was surrounded by an outer sphere, with the inscription, "The earth beyond the Ocean, where men lived before the Flood."
Recent esoteric writers such as Helena Blavatsky, internal linkEdgar Cayce, and Jane Roberts/Seth proposed that Atlantis was an ancient, now-submerged, highly-internal linkevolved civilization. The internal linkmetaphysical significance being that it was a land from which many of us continue to reincarnate, with Cayce adding that the Atlanteans also had ships and aircraft powered by a mysterious form of energy internal linkcrystal.
Interest
With rare exceptions, such as internal linkFrancis Bacon's book The New Atlantis, interest in Atlantis then languished for 2,200 years until the 1882 publication of Atlantis: the Antediluvian World by Minnesota politician and sometime crankish writer Ignatius Donnelly. Donnelly took Plato's account of Atlantis seriously and attempted to establish that all known ancient civilizations were descended from its high-neolithic culture.
Location Hypotheses
The work Toward the internal linkLight has some description of Atlantis, including its exact geographical location.
Geology has demonstrated that no continent such as Atlantis has existed in the mid-Atlantic, so later internal linkenthusiasts have placed it in a bewildering variety of places, ranging from Sri Lanka, internal linkPeru, and Scandinavia, to the supposed center of the hollow Earth.
This opinion of the geologists refers to the impossibility of a sunken continent and not to a sunken island in the Atlantic Ocean. That island must have been much smaller than internal linkAustralia, so one cannot call it a continent. Plato has never claimed that a whole continent has disappeared, he only referred to an island, in front of another continent.
Not all geologists deny the possibility of a sunken island in Central America. After the Charles Berlitz book The Mystery of Atlantis, a Canadian Hungarian geologist-topographer's book was published, entitled Atlantis: The Seven Seals. The author, Z.A. Simon, called the internal linkattention to these controversies. He included some supporting conclusions of Dr. J. Manson Valentine, M. Dmitri Ribikoff, E. Umland and C. Umland, Robert B. Stacy-Judd, Dr. David Zink, John P. Cohane, Peter Tompkins, Pino Turolla, Captain Alexander, Francis Hitching, James Bailey, Dr. C.J. Cazeau, Dr. S.D. Scott, Brad Steiger and William R. Fix.
The June 1981 edition of Marine Geology shows some radiocarbon dates on mangrove peat, based on the estimate of Broecker and Kulp, listing dates between 5590 and 3680 BCE, with connection of the gradual sinking of the Florida-Bimini region. Most recently the rate of the sea level's rise has slowed to 4.5 inches per century. Prior to that time it was one foot per century. Near Andros Island, underwater explorer Jacques Cousteau found a huge submerged cave 165 feet beneath the surface. There are stalactites and stalagmites in it, that can be formed in the open air only. Marine sediments on the walls of the grotto enabled scientists to estimate its submersion around or after 10,000 BCE. The submarine topography of the Bahamian region shown in the huge Russian Atlas Mira by detailed isobaths, catches the attention of a topographer. The sea floor on the northern side of Cuba, Haiti and Puerto Rico indicates a definite system of submerged valleys of ancient rivers, combined with sunken mountain ranges. The "internal linkTongue of the Ocean" at Andros Island is undoubtedly an underwater ravine caused by terrible tectonic forces, surrounded by almost vertical walls, as a "memento" of the catastrophe. The Bahamas is the only region of the world where Atlantis can be located, if it ever existed.
Simon offers an "accurate" internal linkmap of Plato's rectangular island with its given internal linkdimensions as 2,000 by 3,000 stadia, overlaying its outline on the suspected ancient irregular shoreline of that traditional island in the Bahamas region. (An Attic stadium corresponds to 177.6 meters.)
Among those who believe in an historical Atlantis, the leading theory holds that Plato's story of the destruction of Atlantis was inspired by massive volcanic eruptions on the Mediterranean island of Santorini during Minoan times.
Recently, a theory proposed by J.M. Allen has focused attention on the Altiplano in Bolivia. Allen took Plato's physical description of the location of Atlantis and compared it to physical features found in the Altiplano, and he found that they matched Plato's description on almost all counts, but for a factor of 2. Allen reasons that this error makes sense because pre-Columbian South Americans counted in base 20. Another piece of evidence that Allen cites is Plato's mention of a gold/copper alloy called orichalcum that is only found in the Andes. Allen also claims that the very name of the place, Atlantis, comes from two Native American words, atl meaning "water", and antis meaning "copper". Supporters of the South American Atlantis also cite scientists finding evidence of cocaine derived chemicals in internal linkEgyptian mummies. Cocaine, coming only from the coca plant found exclusively in South America, is explained as evidence that there was pre-Columbian cross-Atlantic contact that could have led to the tale of a disaster reaching the ears of Plato via Egypt. This theory is currently being investigated by Allen and others.
Another recent theory is based on a recreation of the geography of the Mediterranean at the time of Atlantis' supposed existence. Plato states that Atlantis was located beyond the Pillars of Hercules, the name given to the Strait of Gibraltar linking the Mediterranean to the Atlantic Ocean. 11,000 years ago the sea level in the area was some 130 metres lower, exposing a number of islands in the strait. One of these, Spartel, could have been Atlantis, though there are a number of inconsistencies with Plato's account.
A different theory by Rainer W. Kühne suggests that the Atlanteans were the Sea Peoples who attacked the Eastern Mediterranean countries around 1200 BC. The city and state of Atlantis were located in Andalucia, 50 kilometers southwest of Seville. Recent satellite photos show two rectangular structures which may be interpreted as the "temple of Poseidon" and "the temple of Cleito and Poseidon".
The archeologist Eberhard Zangger has proposed in 2001 (earlier in German) the theory that Atlantis was in fact the city state of Troy, based on the central position of Troy as one of the richest if not the richest Greek speaking city state of the period and on numerous geological and urban features. He both agrees and disagrees with Rainer W. Kühne: He believes too that the Trojans-Atlanteans were the sea peoples, but only a minor part of them. He proposes that all Greek speaking city states of the Aegean civilization or Mycenae constituted the sea peoples and that they destroyed each other's economies in a series of semi-fratricidal wars lasting several decades.
Yet another theory that fits in with geography of 11,000 years ago sites Atlantis in the internal linkAntarctic archipelago - technically in the South Atlantic Ocean - where it would have been drowned by the rise in sea level after the last ice age. How cold the local climate would have been is a matter for speculation. Troy, Minoan Crete (or possibly Santorini) and other ancient port cities are asserted to be colonies.
In Films
Atlantis has also been the subject of such films as the 1961 Atlantis, the Lost Continent, internal linkDisney's internal link2001 internal linkanimated feature Atlantis: The Lost internal linkEmpire, Gainax's Anime series Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, The French film Atlantis - Le creature del mare, and many others. A complete listing of the appearances of Atlantis in modern media would be too extensive to include here. Jules Verne's classic 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea also included a visit to Atlantis aboard Nemo's submarine Nautilus.
In the original Superman universe, both Aquaman and Lori Lemaris were said to have come from a sunken Atlantis, in Lori Lemaris's case, her people surviving by becoming mermaids and mermen. In the Marvel Universe, the people live in a similar manner, as blue skinned water breathers with Prince Namor The Submariner as their ruler.
Recent underwater discoveries off the west coast of Cuba have led some to speculate on an Atlantean connection. However, even before these discoveries were announced, author Andrew Collins had explored the Cuba connection in a book titled "Gateway to Atlantis." Collins supports his hypothesis with a great deal of indirect but compelling historical and geographical evidence. He finally suggests present-day Isle of internal linkYouth and the shallow sea bottom that surrounds it as a possible location for Atlantis.
In the book Celestial Matters, the Hellenistic civilization calls Amerindians "Atlanteans".
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