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nah iice should post here moreOriginally Posted by Durden7
IICE is on one of his roid rampages again......
dude gets too much $%%* for no reason but w/e hes cool in my book
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nah iice should post here moreOriginally Posted by Durden7
IICE is on one of his roid rampages again......
Agreed. As long as that dude MrChocolate or whatever from the last thread chimes in. I can't stand his posts/replies.Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
nah iice should post here moreOriginally Posted by Durden7
IICE is on one of his roid rampages again......
dude gets too much $%%* for no reason but w/e hes cool in my book
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
nah iice should post here moreOriginally Posted by Durden7
IICE is on one of his roid rampages again......
dude gets too much $%%* for no reason but w/e hes cool in my book
i mean w/e i dont mind it at all, hell i would encourage anyone who has vids of them to post em up, i dont see the problem.Originally Posted by Durden7
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
nah iice should post here moreOriginally Posted by Durden7
IICE is on one of his roid rampages again......
dude gets too much $%%* for no reason but w/e hes cool in my book
I said taht because he took it all as a personal attack and felt the need to "fluff his feathers". The topic wasnt about him so the videos were unnecessary.
Originally Posted by Durden7
Originally Posted by I3
This thread has its pms days lol
Its all good I guess, a great discussion is always good - as long as its respectful.
Woke up to a brilliant day here in New Zealand - have a good feeling about todays workout. Less than 2 weeks 'til Christmas folks!
Yeah discussion/disagreement is a good thing its the personal attacks that ruin it.
"Temporary muscle"� is a term used in bodybuilding describing the appearance of muscle mass by� means other than muscular hypertrophy or hyperplasia.Originally Posted by IICEMAN83
wawaweewa wrote:
It's not muscle though. Really, it's not.
Muscle fiber is muscle fiber and water is water. You're not losing muscle. You're losing water.
There is no such thing as temporary or permanent muscle. Muscle isn't a static object. It's constantly changing to adapt to the stress that it's put under.
I feel like I'm arguing with a child.
You can believe what youw ant to believe. It's no sweat off of my back. I'm telling you what the reality is though.
Originally Posted by wawaweewa
IF we want to come up with a definition for temporary muscle wouldn't it be more of like myself weighing (prob) at least 40 lbs less than Ice but lifting (I'd venture to guess) at least 1.5x more than him. Better yet, on a pound for pound basis it's prob 2x, 2.5x, hell maybe even more
Ice, if you wan to come up with a definition for "temporary muscle" the above may be it.
Ok now lemme break it down for you...you listening???
Up until that point I was just trying to debate. Even if your points were asinine.
Congrats on your flat db press. I don't take videos of myself. I don't feel the need. There are videos of me on the net during a few of my comps. Ifyou want to find them go ahead.
I'm not here to get into a pissing match but your concept of "temporary muscle" can be applied more to BB'ers like you than to anyone whotakes creatine if there even was such a thing. I'm pretty sure I can lift 1.5x more than you in any of the major lifts. On the other hand I'm prettysure you can lift 2x more than me on cable tricep pressdowns. Boo Hoo. Considering I literally do 8 sets of chest excercise a week, I don't think doing 135DB's is all that bad for somone who weighs 177. Along with workig 80 hour weeks.Give me 6 months to concentrate on chest , a monetary incentive, and I canassure you I'll come close to 180+.
The fact is you're talking gibberish when it comes to creatine. I've been around high level weighlifting atheletes for a good portion of my life.I've competed at a pretty high level for a few years. I've learned from many good/great weightlifters.You can post as many videos as you want. Itdoesn't mean that you know what you're talking about when it comes to creatine.
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Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
i mean w/e i dont mind it at all, hell i would encourage anyone who has vids of them to post em up, i dont see the problem.Originally Posted by Durden7
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
nah iice should post here moreOriginally Posted by Durden7
IICE is on one of his roid rampages again......
dude gets too much $%%* for no reason but w/e hes cool in my book
I said taht because he took it all as a personal attack and felt the need to "fluff his feathers". The topic wasnt about him so the videos were unnecessary.
First off, I;m not the one who took it to a personal level. You did with yourOriginally Posted by wawaweewa
"Temporary muscle"� is a term used in bodybuilding describing the appearance of muscle mass by� means other than muscular hypertrophy or hyperplasia.Originally Posted by IICEMAN83
wawaweewa wrote:
It's not muscle though. Really, it's not.
Muscle fiber is muscle fiber and water is water. You're not losing muscle. You're losing water.
There is no such thing as temporary or permanent muscle. Muscle isn't a static object. It's constantly changing to adapt to the stress that it's put under.
I feel like I'm arguing with a child.
You can believe what youw ant to believe. It's no sweat off of my back. I'm telling you what the reality is though.
"Permanent muscle" (lean mass) is a term for muscle mass achieved by ways of muscular hypertrophy or hyperplasia. But I shouldnt've expected you to know that type of terminology, so your ignorance is excused.
Originally Posted by wawaweewa
IF we want to come up with a definition for temporary muscle wouldn't it be more of like myself weighing (prob) at least 40 lbs less than Ice but lifting (I'd venture to guess) at least 1.5x more than him. Better yet, on a pound for pound basis it's prob 2x, 2.5x, hell maybe even more
Ice, if you wan to come up with a definition for "temporary muscle" the above may be it.now your talkin #**%.....
Like told Audi, post some pics and vids of these "spectacular lifts.
Talk is cheap
Slow reps-check
form- check
back flat on the bench-check
And this is after my chest workout.
Ok. now im waiting for you to post a vid of your benching 187lb dumbellssince you can lift 1.5x more than me.
btw. my chest is my weakest bodypart
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Ok now lemme break it down for you...you listening???
Up until that point I was just trying to debate. Even if your points were asinine.
Congrats on your flat db press. I don't take videos of myself. I don't feel the need. There are videos of me on the net during a few of my comps. If you want to find them go ahead.
I'm not here to get into a pissing match but your concept of "temporary muscle" can be applied more to BB'ers like you than to anyone who takes creatine if there even was such a thing. I'm pretty sure I can lift 1.5x more than you in any of the major lifts. On the other hand I'm pretty sure you can lift 2x more than me on cable tricep pressdowns. Boo Hoo. Considering I literally do 8 sets of chest excercise a week, I don't think doing 135 DB's is all that bad for somone who weighs 177. [color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Along with workig 80 hour weeks.[/color][color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Give me 6 months to concentrate on chest , a monetary incentive[/color][color= rgb(255, 0, 0)], and I can assure you I'll come close to 180+.[/color]
The fact is you're talking gibberish when it comes to creatine. I've been around high level weighlifting atheletes for a good portion of my life. I've competed at a pretty high level for a few years. I've learned from many good/great weightlifters.You can post as many videos as you want. It doesn't mean that you know what you're talking about when it comes to creatine.
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Look I understand we each have different understandings of our physical limits and such, but I think that was a bit much. 6 months to bump up 50lbs...per arm? Umm....
Granted your 135 lb dumbbell presses are already extremely impressive in my book. I haven't seen anybody in the gyms I work in do that who is even near 177(they all look to be 190+). And hell, I just weighed myself and I got 177 (on a digital scale) and I'm only capable of 95lbers. How long have you beenlifting again?
Up until that point I was just trying to debate. Even if your points were asinine.Originally Posted by keepzdasneakz
First off, I;m not the one who took it to a personal level. You did with yourOriginally Posted by wawaweewa
"Temporary muscle"� is a term used in bodybuilding describing the appearance of muscle mass by� means other than muscular hypertrophy or hyperplasia.Originally Posted by IICEMAN83
wawaweewa wrote:
It's not muscle though. Really, it's not.
Muscle fiber is muscle fiber and water is water. You're not losing muscle. You're losing water.
There is no such thing as temporary or permanent muscle. Muscle isn't a static object. It's constantly changing to adapt to the stress that it's put under.
I feel like I'm arguing with a child.
You can believe what youw ant to believe. It's no sweat off of my back. I'm telling you what the reality is though.
"Permanent muscle" (lean mass) is a term for muscle mass achieved by ways of muscular hypertrophy or hyperplasia. But I shouldnt've expected you to know that type of terminology, so your ignorance is excused.
Originally Posted by wawaweewa
IF we want to come up with a definition for temporary muscle wouldn't it be more of like myself weighing (prob) at least 40 lbs less than Ice but lifting (I'd venture to guess) at least 1.5x more than him. Better yet, on a pound for pound basis it's prob 2x, 2.5x, hell maybe even more
Ice, if you wan to come up with a definition for "temporary muscle" the above may be it.now your talkin #**%.....
Like told Audi, post some pics and vids of these "spectacular lifts.
Talk is cheap
Slow reps-check
form- check
back flat on the bench-check
And this is after my chest workout.
Ok. now im waiting for you to post a vid of your benching 187lb dumbellssince you can lift 1.5x more than me.
btw. my chest is my weakest bodypart
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Ok now lemme break it down for you...you listening???
When the researchers looked at the subjects' muscles through a microscope, they made a surprising discovery: Rather than returning to their original proportions, the muscles of the steroid users who'd stopped taking the drug looked remarkably similar to those of the subjects who were still using. They also had larger muscle fibers and more growth-inducing "myonuclei" in their muscle cells than the nonsteroid users.
The main findings were that: a) Muscle fiber hypertrophy by strength training is further increased by anabolic steroids. b) The number of nuclei per muscle fiber is higher in power lifters using anabolic steroids compared to non-steroids using lifters. c) Among power lifters who have withdrawn from anabolic steroid usage and training for several years, the number of myonuclei, both subsarcolemmal and internal, remains high. d) In active power lifters, anabolic steroids have no further effect on the number of satellite cells per fiber. e) Power lifters have a high proportion of split fibers.
In the description of a well known supplement companys supplement
l Leukic Hardcore achieves what every bodybuilder craves - pure anabolism for massive gains
in dense, permanent muscle.
[h2]Based on the latest research available, creatine does[/h2]http://healthydevil.studentaffairs.duke.edu/health_info/Creatine.html
- Increase body weight and muscle mass This is either due to fluid retention associated with the creatine or enhanced skeletal muscle synthesis. The benefits are temporary, and supplementation must be continued to maintain desired results.
- Delay fatigue during repeated bouts of high-intensity exercise, such as power lifting, or other "anaerobic" exercises
- Improve muscle recovery during high-intensity exercise
Ha , na. I value my privacy. I don't even have a facebook for that exact reason. Like I said, there still videos out there though (I think).Originally Posted by DaBuddhaWitJays
wawa has been keeping his incredible hulk strength a secret?
Don't be so modest. POST THOSE VIDS MAN.
Dude does all these comps,super impressive lifts yet has no vids to back up the trash talkingOriginally Posted by DaBuddhaWitJays
wawa has been keeping his incredible hulk strength a secret?
Don't be so modest. POST THOSE VIDS MAN.
I cant even mess with this thread. Dudes in here get insecure when I appear, then start having ego trips cause they think they know it all.Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
nah iice should post here moreOriginally Posted by Durden7
IICE is on one of his roid rampages again......
dude gets too much $%%* for no reason but w/e hes cool in my book
Originally Posted by IICEMAN83
[h1]Anabolic Steroids Result in Permanent Muscle Gains[/h1]http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2008/04/04/anabolic-steroids-result-in-permanent-muscle-gains/
When the researchers looked at the subjects' muscles through a microscope, they made a surprising discovery: Rather than returning to their original proportions, the muscles of the steroid users who'd stopped taking the drug looked remarkably similar to those of the subjects who were still using. They also had larger muscle fibers and more growth-inducing "myonuclei" in their muscle cells than the nonsteroid users.
The main findings were that: a) Muscle fiber hypertrophy by strength training is further increased by anabolic steroids. b) The number of nuclei per muscle fiber is higher in power lifters using anabolic steroids compared to non-steroids using lifters. c) Among power lifters who have withdrawn from anabolic steroid usage and training for several years, the number of myonuclei, both subsarcolemmal and internal, remains high. d) In active power lifters, anabolic steroids have no further effect on the number of satellite cells per fiber. e) Power lifters have a high proportion of split fibers.
In the description of a well known supplement companys supplement
l Leukic Hardcore achieves what every bodybuilder craves - pure anabolism for massive gains
in dense, permanent muscle.
[h2]Based on the latest research available, creatine does[/h2]http://healthydevil.studentaffairs.duke.edu/health_info/Creatine.html
- Increase body weight and muscle mass This is either due to fluid retention associated with the creatine or enhanced skeletal muscle synthesis. The benefits are temporary, and supplementation must be continued to maintain desired results.
- Delay fatigue during repeated bouts of high-intensity exercise, such as power lifting, or other "anaerobic" exercises
- Improve muscle recovery during high-intensity exercise
First of all, MUSCLETECH is advertising. They can say whatever they want.
When it comes to the Duke page theya re saying that the benefits of Creatine are temporary and stop with the cessationof creatine supplementation. The mass that one will shed will be the water weight. You will not magically experience atrophy of your muscle fibers. They willall still be there. I think you're misunderstaing ther argument.
Never said I can DB 1.5x more than you. I said lift 1.5x mroe than you and to me "lift' means the major lifts. I still stand by that. Ifyou want to go the route of DB bench press than I can catch up. Just give me a little time.Originally Posted by IICEMAN83
Dude does all these comps,super impressive lifts yet has no vids to back up the trash talkingOriginally Posted by DaBuddhaWitJays
wawa has been keeping his incredible hulk strength a secret?
Don't be so modest. POST THOSE VIDS MAN.
I cant even mess with this thread. Dudes in here get insecure when I appear, then start having ego trips cause they think they know it all.Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
nah iice should post here moreOriginally Posted by Durden7
IICE is on one of his roid rampages again......
dude gets too much $%%* for no reason but w/e hes cool in my book
I drop some real knowledge and back it up, they try pump up their chests and talk about imaginary lifts or how their buddies can bench more than me.
Im thinking we talking about creatine,. Dude gets *****y saying he can DB 1.5x more than me..........then switches it to "in 6 months"
Originally Posted by wawaweewa
Originally Posted by IICEMAN83
[h1]Anabolic Steroids Result in Permanent Muscle Gains[/h1]http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2008/04/04/anabolic-steroids-result-in-permanent-muscle-gains/
When the researchers looked at the subjects' muscles through a microscope, they made a surprising discovery: Rather than returning to their original proportions, the muscles of the steroid users who'd stopped taking the drug looked remarkably similar to those of the subjects who were still using. They also had larger muscle fibers and more growth-inducing "myonuclei" in their muscle cells than the nonsteroid users.The main findings were that: a) Muscle fiber hypertrophy by strength training is further increased by anabolic steroids. b) The number of nuclei per muscle fiber is higher in power lifters using anabolic steroids compared to non-steroids using lifters. c) Among power lifters who have withdrawn from anabolic steroid usage and training for several years, the number of myonuclei, both subsarcolemmal and internal, remains high. d) In active power lifters, anabolic steroids have no further effect on the number of satellite cells per fiber. e) Power lifters have a high proportion of split fibers.
l Leukic Hardcore achieves what every bodybuilder craves - pure anabolism for massive gains
in dense, permanent muscle.
[h2]Based on the latest research available, creatine does[/h2]http://healthydevil.studentaffairs.duke.edu/health_info/Creatine.html
- Increase body weight and muscle mass This is either due to fluid retention associated with the creatine or enhanced skeletal muscle synthesis. The benefits are temporary, and supplementation must be continued to maintain desired results.
- Delay fatigue during repeated bouts of high-intensity exercise, such as power lifting, or other "anaerobic" exercises
- Improve muscle recovery during high-intensity exercise
First of all, MUSCLETECH is advertising. They can say whatever they want.
When it comes to the Duke page theya re saying that the benefits of Creatine are temporary and stop with the cessation of creatine supplementation. The mass that one will shed will be the water weight. You will not magically experience atrophy of your muscle fibers. They will all still be there. I think you're misunderstaing ther argument.
!+@ you talkin about. It clearly outlines what the benefits of creatine are. Then says the "benefits are temporary"......immisunderstanding???
Im stating what the meaning of " temporary muscle" and permanent muscle" is.
How come you aint say nuttn about this ...http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2008/04/04/anabolic-steroids-result-in-permanent-muscle-gains/
Like I said before
"Temporary muscle"� is a term used in bodybuilding describing the appearance of muscle mass by� means other than muscular hypertrophy or hyperplasia.
"Permanent muscle" (lean mass) is a term for muscle mass achieved by ways of muscular hypertrophy or hyperplasia.
And back to my original post that "makes no sense" to you
Creatine does affect your liver and kidneys.
Creatine is a waste if your aiming to put on PERMANENT muscle
See my friend, that right there is called being consistent, sticking to the subject at matter, backing up your claims and information.
Didn't you say you're 150ish?Originally Posted by brettTHEjett
Can we please stop talking about what he said she said and I meant to say?
Let's post facts and opinions about Stay/Get Back in shape. The argument of creatine is over.
Now... I'm curious. Is anyone in this thread admittedly over on the dark side? I've began researching extensively because I know my natural plateau is coming.
Brett, I doubt you've reached your natural plateau. Those numbers are not that much at all, and I'm positive you can get pass them if youjust keep being consistentOriginally Posted by brettTHEjett
One month ago...
150 lbs body weight
bench press - 105lb (5 rep)
dumb bell bench press - 25lb (each hand) (5 rep)
military dumb bell press - 20lb (each hand) (5 rep)
Dumb bell curls - 20lb (10 rep)
Today
155 lbs body weight
bench press - 125lbs (5 rep)
dumb bell bench press - 40lb (each hand) (5 rep)
military dumb bell press - 35lb (each hand) (5 rep)
Dumb bell curls - 35lb (10 rep)
Those are my most note worthy gains.
I am doing the "Taylor Lautner" fitness schedule and diet @ 2700-3000 CLEAN cals a day
http://www.projectswole.c...-routine-to-gain-muscle/
Looking to do 5lbs a month until I hit 180lbs and the do a cut using HIRT for two months.
After that I might try a test cycle. (assuming I've reached my natural plateau)
I am an ectomorph body type 155lbs @ 6'-0" btw
I dont know why you gettin all sentimentalOriginally Posted by wawaweewa
? All I need to do is prove things to myself (and my family). Nobody else.
Thanks for the question.It's actually forcing me to remember a bunch of things. Since I've started workign I don't have the time totrain seriously anymore. I'm just on a regular 4 day split although I still 4x6, 5x5, 1x6, etc and fairly heavy.Originally Posted by Carlos Tevez
^^^Post vids/pics man or we wont believe you.
J/K
Anyways, wawa, can you post what your split looks like and which exercises you do?
I'm more into explosive lifts too simply because they're more interesting to do. I'll squat, DL, clean 2-3x a week but do tricep, bicep, delt isolation exercises maybe once a month and I'll quit after 10 mins due to boredom
Stay outta this, light weightOriginally Posted by brettTHEjett
Can we please stop talking about what he said she said and I meant to say?
Let's post facts and opinions about Stay/Get Back in shape. The argument of creatine is over.
Now... I'm curious. Is anyone in this thread admittedly over on the dark side? I've began researching extensively because I know my natural plateau is coming.