Stay/get back in shape...Vol: Motivation

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by keepzdasneakz

^you're absolutely right above the fast twitch muscle...

Yes, it is fast twitch, but how do you go about training fast twitch fibers? It has been scientifically proven that you don't need weights inorder to do that. It's more about training the muscle response, than it is to lift heavy weight. When the body comes down from a jump, the impact is twiceabove the body's natural weight. Therefore at liftoff, the body must be able to decelerate against greater force, in order to be able create more of anexplosion.

It's really simple, isn't it?

 

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by verynecessary

Originally Posted by I3

Originally Posted by nealraj006

Originally Posted by I3

Originally Posted by Chicagos Finest 23

I3, work on your lats

I really want to improve my lats, but I can't seem too. For the life of me i've never had great lats lol. What are some good exercises? BB rows, Lat Pulldown, DB row, Cable Row? I dont really like using machines, could you suggest some good workouts for the lats?

Pull ups are one of the most effective upper body movements. Try alternating between pull ups and pull downs with no rest in between. Close grip pull ups really require strength.

I really need to learn how to multi-quote and im an e-Commerce major...

Is it good to do weight pull-ups? Im going to have to use those weight-belt things that look funny, or get a weighted vest. I saw a dude at the gym on Tues with a weighted vest, he looked like a gumby, but im sure his results would be good.

Ive been doing wide-front, reverse-grip and close-grip, but I might add weight this time around.

VeryNec -
Yeah my one foot running is garbage, I can grab the rim off a running one foot, but thats about it haha. Two-feet jumping is what I do best..

yea, weight belt works fine, doesn't affect the mechanics much. how many reps do u normally do per set? i get halfway decent results even though i'm stuck at 6 right now (up to 5 sets), trying to get into the 10-12 rep range before i add weight on a regular basis.

Why don't you tell him that by using added weight during the eccentric phase of a chin only, will help him to get stronger faster?

I mean, isn't that the truth?

 

[dark chocolate]

This is too funny....

 

[verynecessary]

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by keepzdasneakz

^you're absolutely right above the fast twitch muscle...

Yes, it is fast twitch, but how do you go about training fast twitch fibers? It has been scientifically proven that you don't need weights in order to do that. It's more about training the muscle response, than it is to lift heavy weight. When the body comes down from a jump, the impact is twice above the body's natural weight. Therefore at liftoff, the body must be able to decelerate against greater force, in order to be able create more of an explosion.

It's really simple, isn't it?

and yet there's more to it. yes, it seems like that one dude that can't improve his vert with squats needs to train plyometrically. thatisn't the case for everyone. you can train fast-twitch muscle, and you can also increase the amount of fast-twitch fibers you have. that's basicstrength training. your muscles can have pure 100% recruitment at lightning speed, but if you have no quad/glute/ham development, you'll only go so far. you're arguing two extremes, favoring one side. you're almost saying squats do nothing for jumping ability. both types of training will produceresults, and the best results come from taking both aspects of it into consideration. i haven't even mentioned tendon elasticity, muscle belly length,fast-twitch to slow-twitch fiber ratio, etc.

 

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by verynecessary

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by keepzdasneakz

^you're absolutely right above the fast twitch muscle...

Yes, it is fast twitch, but how do you go about training fast twitch fibers? It has been scientifically proven that you don't need weights in order to do that. It's more about training the muscle response, than it is to lift heavy weight. When the body comes down from a jump, the impact is twice above the body's natural weight. Therefore at liftoff, the body must be able to decelerate against greater force, in order to be able create more of an explosion.

It's really simple, isn't it?

and yet there's more to it. yes, it seems like that one dude that can't improve his vert with squats needs to train plyometrically. that isn't the case for everyone. you can train fast-twitch muscle, and you can also increase the amount of fast-twitch fibers you have. that's basic strength training. your muscles can have pure 100% recruitment at lightning speed, but if you have no quad/glute/ham development, you'll only go so far. you're arguing two extremes, favoring one side. you're almost saying squats do nothing for jumping ability. both types of training will produce results, and the best results come from taking both aspects of it into consideration. i haven't even mentioned tendon elasticity, muscle belly length, fast-twitch to slow-twitch fiber ratio, etc.

I hear what you are trying to say, but you are wrong on a few points. You cannot increase the amount of fast twitch fibers that you have, as that has beengiven to you from birth. These are genes, in which you cannot alter. However, you can increase muscle size which is much different. I won't say any more,because you are not citing scientific research. I suggest that you take a look at the National Strength and Conditioning Associations website, then get someuseful info sent to you. Also, there is the American College of Sports medicine.

Good luck.

 

[verynecessary]

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by verynecessary

Originally Posted by I3

Originally Posted by nealraj006

Originally Posted by I3

Originally Posted by Chicagos Finest 23

I3, work on your lats

I really want to improve my lats, but I can't seem too. For the life of me i've never had great lats lol. What are some good exercises? BB rows, Lat Pulldown, DB row, Cable Row? I dont really like using machines, could you suggest some good workouts for the lats?

Pull ups are one of the most effective upper body movements. Try alternating between pull ups and pull downs with no rest in between. Close grip pull ups really require strength.

I really need to learn how to multi-quote and im an e-Commerce major...

Is it good to do weight pull-ups? Im going to have to use those weight-belt things that look funny, or get a weighted vest. I saw a dude at the gym on Tues with a weighted vest, he looked like a gumby, but im sure his results would be good.

Ive been doing wide-front, reverse-grip and close-grip, but I might add weight this time around.

VeryNec -
Yeah my one foot running is garbage, I can grab the rim off a running one foot, but thats about it haha. Two-feet jumping is what I do best..

yea, weight belt works fine, doesn't affect the mechanics much. how many reps do u normally do per set? i get halfway decent results even though i'm stuck at 6 right now (up to 5 sets), trying to get into the 10-12 rep range before i add weight on a regular basis.

Why don't you tell him that by using added weight during the eccentric phase of a chin only, will help him to get stronger faster?

I mean, isn't that the truth?

yea, i can also tell him that steriods will help him achieve his goals. isn't that the truth?

i know dude isn't a novice, he knows how to get strong.

 

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by verynecessary

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by verynecessary

Originally Posted by I3

Originally Posted by nealraj006

Originally Posted by I3

Originally Posted by Chicagos Finest 23

I3, work on your lats

I really want to improve my lats, but I can't seem too. For the life of me i've never had great lats lol. What are some good exercises? BB rows, Lat Pulldown, DB row, Cable Row? I dont really like using machines, could you suggest some good workouts for the lats?

Pull ups are one of the most effective upper body movements. Try alternating between pull ups and pull downs with no rest in between. Close grip pull ups really require strength.

I really need to learn how to multi-quote and im an e-Commerce major...

Is it good to do weight pull-ups? Im going to have to use those weight-belt things that look funny, or get a weighted vest. I saw a dude at the gym on Tues with a weighted vest, he looked like a gumby, but im sure his results would be good.

Ive been doing wide-front, reverse-grip and close-grip, but I might add weight this time around.

VeryNec -
Yeah my one foot running is garbage, I can grab the rim off a running one foot, but thats about it haha. Two-feet jumping is what I do best..

yea, weight belt works fine, doesn't affect the mechanics much. how many reps do u normally do per set? i get halfway decent results even though i'm stuck at 6 right now (up to 5 sets), trying to get into the 10-12 rep range before i add weight on a regular basis.

Why don't you tell him that by using added weight during the eccentric phase of a chin only, will help him to get stronger faster?

I mean, isn't that the truth?

yea, i can also tell him that steriods will help him achieve his goals. isn't that the truth?

i know dude isn't a novice, he knows how to get strong.

I defer to my earlier post.

Peace.

 

[verynecessary]

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by verynecessary

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by keepzdasneakz

^you're absolutely right above the fast twitch muscle...

Yes, it is fast twitch, but how do you go about training fast twitch fibers? It has been scientifically proven that you don't need weights in order to do that. It's more about training the muscle response, than it is to lift heavy weight. When the body comes down from a jump, the impact is twice above the body's natural weight. Therefore at liftoff, the body must be able to decelerate against greater force, in order to be able create more of an explosion.

It's really simple, isn't it?

and yet there's more to it. yes, it seems like that one dude that can't improve his vert with squats needs to train plyometrically. that isn't the case for everyone. you can train fast-twitch muscle, and you can also increase the amount of fast-twitch fibers you have. that's basic strength training. your muscles can have pure 100% recruitment at lightning speed, but if you have no quad/glute/ham development, you'll only go so far. you're arguing two extremes, favoring one side. you're almost saying squats do nothing for jumping ability. both types of training will produce results, and the best results come from taking both aspects of it into consideration. i haven't even mentioned tendon elasticity, muscle belly length, fast-twitch to slow-twitch fiber ratio, etc.

I hear what you are trying to say, but you are wrong on a few points. You cannot increase the amount of fast twitch fibers that you have, that has been given to you from birth. These are genes, in which you cannot alter. However, you can increase muscle size which is much different. I won't say any more, because you are not citing scientific research. I suggest that you take a look at the National Strength and Conditioning Associations website, then get some useful info sent to you. Also, there is the American College of Sports medicine.

Good luck.

i meant to say fiber size. weight training primarily results in hypertrophy of fast-twitch fibers.

hey, just putting this out there, but you haven't cited anything either.

say no more

 

[chicagos finest 23]

T Bar for back thickness or heavy seated rows.

 

[i3]

Originally Posted by verynecessary

Originally Posted by I3

Originally Posted by nealraj006

Originally Posted by I3

Originally Posted by Chicagos Finest 23

I3, work on your lats

I really want to improve my lats, but I can't seem too. For the life of me i've never had great lats lol. What are some good exercises? BB rows, Lat Pulldown, DB row, Cable Row? I dont really like using machines, could you suggest some good workouts for the lats?

Pull ups are one of the most effective upper body movements. Try alternating between pull ups and pull downs with no rest in between. Close grip pull ups really require strength.

I really need to learn how to multi-quote and im an e-Commerce major...

Is it good to do weight pull-ups? Im going to have to use those weight-belt things that look funny, or get a weighted vest. I saw a dude at the gym on Tues with a weighted vest, he looked like a gumby, but im sure his results would be good.

Ive been doing wide-front, reverse-grip and close-grip, but I might add weight this time around.

VeryNec -
Yeah my one foot running is garbage, I can grab the rim off a running one foot, but thats about it haha. Two-feet jumping is what I do best..

yea, weight belt works fine, doesn't affect the mechanics much. how many reps do u normally do per set? i get halfway decent results even though i'm stuck at 6 right now (up to 5 sets), trying to get into the 10-12 rep range before i add weight on a regular basis.

I haven't done any weighted pull-ups yet, just ordinary body-weight. I can do around 10-12 for each.

 

[al audi]

Man I always miss when the thread gets really movin. O yea I could dunk since middle school before I knew what a squat was. I'm black if it matters. Lol.Nah I can't dunk for anything I can grab the rim....without the ball easy though. Its only 10 feet right? If you're at least 6 feet an can't dothat there is a problem. Its impressive when the 5 foot 8 dudes with crazy hops be windmillin though.

 

[i3]

Yeah for sure.. I mean its one thing for a 5'8/5'9 guy to be dunking, to me thats already a wow..

But then you get these TFB damn superfreaks doing dunks that Vince Carter did, its like *$@%!!+ wow

 

[verynecessary]

damn i just googled TFB

 

[panaricanretro]

TFB is insane.

Yeah, I can barely dunk on a good day. My vert was probably the best when I wasn't lifting weights at all, back in HS. I could dunk easier, but I also onlyweighed 135 lbs. Now My vert is better some days than others, so some days I get up about as good as I did in HS but I'm also heavier (about 200lbs now) soI guess it's relative. My squat is up to 405 for 3-5 reps now, but yeah, it doesn't directly equate to a better vertical.

 

[joe camel smooth]

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by verynecessary

Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Klipschorn

I love this thread, nobody answers your questions.

So true!

Many really don't know what they are talking about, that's why!

For instance, the real reason that squats do not increase your vert alone is because of the muscles involved during the descent. If you want to jump higher, you have to work those muscles that are responsible for lift off, then landing. You can squat, but between sets you must skip rope to get that fast twitch thing going! It's really that simple! The body will only allow you to jump as high as per your ability to land! That's said, you must teach the body how to land first, then lift off!

oh the irony

damn, we've been doing it wrong

Seriously, would any of you like to debate? I mean, if you think that squatting alone will make you jump higher, then you are sniffing something to get up there as well!

I never even said this or anything else, I simply said you were wrong.

But now that you bring it up....yes- heavy squats should increase vertical leap. Is it the only way to do so? No.

Olympic lifts, plyometrics, etc. can do just as much or more for it depending on the individual.......as can losing body fat and working on technique.

But claims like "The body will only allow you to jump as high as per your ability to land" don't make sense.

 

[Majorbread]

my box squat is lime 450 and i got a 41" vert

squats can increase your vert alone, but doing both can get larger gains

 

[i3]

Im really keen on doing depth jumps and box jumps. I think I can get a few more inches I need (read: very no +%@!).

 

[durden7]

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Klipschorn

I love this thread, nobody answers your questions.

So true!

Many really don't know what they are talking about, that's why!

For instance, the real reason that squats do not increase your vert alone is because of the muscles involved during the descent. If you want to jump higher, you have to work those muscles that are responsible for lift off, then landing. You can squat, but between sets you must skip rope to get that fast twitch thing going! It's really that simple! The body will only allow you to jump as high as per your ability to land! That's said, you must teach the body how to land first, then lift off!

oh the irony

Would you like to debate my friend? I can cite not only proof, but will direct you to the source.

Isnt well, i dont know, citing the EXACT same thing as directing someone to the source??

How the hell can you cite something AND direct another person to the source?

 

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by verynecessary

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by verynecessary

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by keepzdasneakz

^you're absolutely right above the fast twitch muscle...

Yes, it is fast twitch, but how do you go about training fast twitch fibers? It has been scientifically proven that you don't need weights in order to do that. It's more about training the muscle response, than it is to lift heavy weight. When the body comes down from a jump, the impact is twice above the body's natural weight. Therefore at liftoff, the body must be able to decelerate against greater force, in order to be able create more of an explosion.

It's really simple, isn't it?

and yet there's more to it. yes, it seems like that one dude that can't improve his vert with squats needs to train plyometrically. that isn't the case for everyone. you can train fast-twitch muscle, and you can also increase the amount of fast-twitch fibers you have. that's basic strength training. your muscles can have pure 100% recruitment at lightning speed, but if you have no quad/glute/ham development, you'll only go so far. you're arguing two extremes, favoring one side. you're almost saying squats do nothing for jumping ability. both types of training will produce results, and the best results come from taking both aspects of it into consideration. i haven't even mentioned tendon elasticity, muscle belly length, fast-twitch to slow-twitch fiber ratio, etc.

I hear what you are trying to say, but you are wrong on a few points. You cannot increase the amount of fast twitch fibers that you have, that has been given to you from birth. These are genes, in which you cannot alter. However, you can increase muscle size which is much different. I won't say any more, because you are not citing scientific research. I suggest that you take a look at the National Strength and Conditioning Associations website, then get some useful info sent to you. Also, there is the American College of Sports medicine.

Good luck.

i meant to say fiber size. weight training primarily results in hypertrophy of fast-twitch fibers.

Wrong again. You RECRUIT fast twitch fibers to respond through training them to respond. This is where plyometrics come in. Look, you came at me highlightingwhat I stated, which you have proven to be true through your responses. I am not hating on you, but you are not correct on many of your assertions.

 

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by Durden7

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Klipschorn

I love this thread, nobody answers your questions.

So true!

Many really don't know what they are talking about, that's why!

For instance, the real reason that squats do not increase your vert alone is because of the muscles involved during the descent. If you want to jump higher, you have to work those muscles that are responsible for lift off, then landing. You can squat, but between sets you must skip rope to get that fast twitch thing going! It's really that simple! The body will only allow you to jump as high as per your ability to land! That's said, you must teach the body how to land first, then lift off!

oh the irony

Would you like to debate my friend? I can cite not only proof, but will direct you to the source.

Isnt well, i dont know, citing the EXACT same thing as directing someone to the source??

How the hell can you cite something AND direct another person to the source?

No, it isn't the same thing. If I cite something, quoting it here, then directing someone to the source of my quote.

Fair?

 

[anabolic dunk]

wat better motivation is ther than to live longer?

 

[aceofjays]

^^^ To look lke a god while naked

, j/k.

 

[durden7]

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Durden7

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Would you like to debate my friend? I can cite not only proof, but will direct you to the source.

Isnt well, i dont know, citing the EXACT same thing as directing someone to the source??

How the hell can you cite something AND direct another person to the source?

No, it isn't the same thing. If I cite something, quoting it here, then directing someone to the source of my quote.

Fair?

Thats what a cite is. You cant cite anything without providing where the source is from.

 

[ricerocket1]

any advices on doing double days? ie morning and night workouts? im thinking lifting weights and do boxing at the same day. I usually go every other day ie;weights today then boxing tommorow...im going to try to do both today...

 

[sneakerking757]

I've been on the Pak for 3-4 years now and I wanna try something new.

It's either gonna be Ortho Core or Orange Triad.

Which one should I go with and why?