Terror Attack In Paris

[percy.]

Thought this was almost over since they're surrounding the brothers and now there's another hostage situation in a grocery store?! Stuff going on in Paris right now is insane.

 

[bravelude]

Reports said they are shot.

 

[trueprada]

@thompwalker  
Amazing @AFP photo apparently of hostages at #Paris supermarket siege being carried away. All app alive #c4news 

Suspected gunmen behind the Charlie Hebdo massacre have been killed 

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/01/charlie-hebdo-attackers-hostages

 

[SC kid]

Is the woman terrorist still alive?

 

[rolaholic]

She escaped apparently

 

[jjs07]

Is the woman terrorist still alive?

I was reading that she got away....

HOW????!!!???

 

[trueprada]

some hostages dead 

 

[computersputin]

Just evil evil people.

 

[Versailles]

I was reading that she got away....

HOW????!!!???

apparently she blended in with the hostages fleeing the scene..

 

[ROYGBiV]

Sad stuff man and it's not over till they capture/kill the last terrorist.

 

[jjs07]

I was reading that she got away....

HOW????!!!???

apparently she blended in with the hostages fleeing the scene..

**** is like the movie Inside Man

 

[ROYGBiV]

**** is like the movie Inside Man

When did it go from the two brothers to a total of four? Kind of scary that the girl can or probably is meeting up with someone to set something else up. Sick.

 

[SC kid]

^^^^^^^^2 more connected with the brothers held up a kosher supermarket and demanded the brothers b released

The guy is dead

 

[twinsnyc]

@thompwalker  

Amazing @AFP photo apparently of hostages at #Paris supermarket siege being carried away. All app alive #c4news 

Suspected gunmen behind the Charlie Hebdo massacre have been killed 

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/01/charlie-hebdo-attackers-hostages

Glad there dead. RIP to anyone they killed.

 

[rolaholic]

I thought that this was pretty damn interesting,the leader of Hezbollah basically said that these 2 murderers and extremists in general do more damage to Islam than any cartoon can 

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dc2d...lah-chief-extremists-harm-islam-more-cartoons

 

[omariwestafari]

Is the woman terrorist still alive?

I was reading that she got away....

HOW????!!!???

im thinking the girl snitched and got a deal and is now on a train somewhere to eastern Europe

 

[Lunden]

havent been keeping up with this can someone give me the cliff notes?

this world is sick

 

[sundoobie]

Amazing to me to see how it easy it is for these guys to 'terrorize' an entire country like this. This incident can happen anywhere especially in this country where guns and ammo are easily attainable.

Sucks that Muslims have to endure another round of prejudice and hatred from the general public due to these extremists.

 

[7thave btn 31stn33rd st]

Amazing to me to see how it easy it is for these guys to 'terrorize' an entire country like this. This incident can happen anywhere especially in this country where guns and ammo are easily attainable.

Sucks that Muslims have to endure another round of prejudice and hatred from the general public due to these extremists.

Don't go there.

 

[superblytrife]

 

Amazing to me to see how it easy it is for these guys to 'terrorize' an entire country like this. This incident can happen anywhere especially in this country where guns and ammo are easily attainable.

Sucks that Muslims have to endure another round of prejudice and hatred from the general public due to these extremists.

Don't go there.

But....it's true.  

And I'm not arguing for/against gun control---just stating a truth.  

More weapons in circulation = more of a chance to secure them legally or illegally.  Something like Paris will eventually happen here--it's just a matter of time, unfortunately.  

 

[7thave btn 31stn33rd st]

But....it's true.  

And I'm not arguing for/against gun control---just stating a truth.  

More weapons in circulation = more of a chance to secure them legally or illegally.  Something like Paris will eventually happen here--it's just a matter of time, unfortunately.  

Meanwhile mass killings like this dont happen nearly as much as the media says they do, and even if you have laws to control (as in this case), you still will have situations like this unfortunately. You cant legislate motivation and intent.

 

[bravelude]

didn't hear about the hostages dead though?

 

[Versailles]

didn't hear about the hostages dead though?

french media reporting 4 hostages had been killed.

 

[superblytrife]

 

But....it's true.  

And I'm not arguing for/against gun control---just stating a truth.  

More weapons in circulation = more of a chance to secure them legally or illegally.  Something like Paris will eventually happen here--it's just a matter of time, unfortunately.  

Meanwhile mass killings like this dont happen nearly as much as the media says they do, and even if you have laws to control (as in this case), you still will have situations like this unfortunately. You cant legislate motivation and intent.

All very true.  

That still doesn't negate the truth about the number of weapons in circulation in our country, IMO.  And again, I'm not saying the number of weapons in the U.S. is a good or bad thing--at this point, it is what it is.  

But more weapons + more ways to access them = a higher potential for something like Paris to happen.  On the flipside, it also means more citizens carrying.  But like you said, you can't really stop motivation and intent. 

 

[Master Zik]

Even though not many ppl are arguing in favor of the terrorists actions in this thread earlier I read some posts I didn't all the way feel okay with given it was kind of a disclaimer to talk about what they do at the Charlie Hebdo mag. I know not many here know about it but I felt this wsj article was a bit informative about their motives and what they do since I have come across their work in the past and was somewhat aware of what they do.

The way I've always seen it is it's a ******* cartoon. A CARTOON. Words and pictures. I don't care how offensive it is or if it's sole intent is to offend, it's a cartoon.

Charlie Hebdo Is Heir to the French Tradition of Religious Mockery
The Paris magazine targeted by terrorists was part of a radically irreverent school of secular thought that goes back centuries.

By
Caroline Weber
Jan. 9, 2015 5:27 p.m. ET
20 COMMENTS

The satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo was the conscious heir to a French intellectual tradition with a long history: radical anticlericalism.

Before the Charlie Hebdo era (the magazine dates from the late 1960s), France’s most influential anticlerical thinkers trained their fire on Catholicism—for centuries the country’s state religion. As a rule, however, these individuals objected not so much to precise points of religious doctrine as to the fanaticism, ignorance and persecution that, in their view, tended to accompany “true faith.” The opponents of doctrinaire Catholicism used caricature, irony and humorous blasphemy—thus setting the tone for Charlie Hebdo’s later fight with jihadist Islam.

Anticlerical French thought traces its origins to rambunctious early Catholic practices such as Carnival, in which Christian morality was temporarily and gleefully suspended, as well as to Renaissance literary representations of priests as importunate louts. In François Rabelais’s “Gargantua” (1534), the eponymous hero rails against monks because they “neither plow, like the peasant, nor heal the sick, like the doctor” but instead “harass the whole neighborhood by rattling their church-bells” and mumbling “countless legends and psalms they don’t even understand.”

Anticlericalism reached its apogee during the Enlightenment. Brandishing finely honed logic and wicked humor, the philosophes gleefully mocked what they saw as the inconsistencies and absurdities of Church dogma. Voltaire excelled at this technique. In his novella “L’Ingénu” (1767), a gaggle of small-town priests and parishioners decides to convert an Amerindian “savage”—only to see their plan go comically awry when the newcomer makes a quick study of the Bible and then demands that they comply with all of its directives, from circumcision (generally dismissed by Voltaire’s contemporaries as a “Jewish” practice) to baptism in a river (rather than at a baptismal font).

In Voltaire’s satirical “Dictionnaire Philosophique” (1764), he imagines a theological debate between a philosophe and a religious zealot. When the former carries a point by citing ecclesiastical authorities, his opponent replies, “Come, now. Neither they nor God will stop us from burning you alive; that’s the punishment for…philosophers who don’t share our opinions.” Voltaire himself escaped destruction by fire, but the Church condemned his “Dictionnaire” and other works to the flames.

The Marquis de Sade took “enlightened” anticlericalism to even more shocking extremes. His novels portray monasteries as hotbeds of frantic buggery. One novel, “La Philosophie dans le boudoir” (c. 1793), reviles the Virgin Mary as a “dirty, shameless ****” and Jesus Christ as a “scoundrel,” a “creep” and a “despot.” Unsurprisingly, these pronouncements landed Sade in serious trouble. To this day, he remains the only French author to have served prison time under four successive political regimes.

After World War I, the French Surrealist movement revived Sade’s legacy and made him a hero of avant-garde rebellion. They found in Sade a bracing antidote to the morality of the ruling classes, which had invoked God and country while sending millions of young men to die in the trenches. The Surrealist filmmakers Luis Buñuel and Salvador Dalí ended their virulently anticlerical masterpiece, “L’Age d’or,” with a Sadean vignette, with one of the novelist’s most depraved characters, the Duc de Blangis, emerging from an orgy dressed as Jesus Christ. When the film came out, this scene so outraged Catholic sensibilities that an extremist youth group staged a riot in the movie theater, tossing tear-gas bombs and beating up members of the audience.

For all their focus on militant Islam, the editors of Charlie Hebdo, as heirs to this tradition, didn’t give Catholicism a pass either. One of the weekly’s more graphic covers—a response to the rejection of gay marriage by the archbishop of Paris, André Vingt-Trois—shows the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost in a lewd ménage à trois beneath the caption: “Msgr. Vingt-Trois Has Three Daddies.” But as the magazine’s director, Stéphane Charbonnier (better known to readers under his pen name Charb), noted in 2012, his paper’s anti-Catholic caricatures never triggered the kind of violent backlash generated by its anti-Muslim ones: “We could show the pope sodomizing a mole and get no reaction.”

It is a key point. The imperviousness of modern-day Catholics to Charlie Hebdo’s brand of satire is itself a byproduct of French anticlerical culture. After more than 500 years of ridicule, Catholicism has finally become “banalized” (that is, lost its status as a taboo subject), in a neologism coined by Charb himself in 2012. He went on to say, “We have to keep at it until Islam is as banalized as Catholicism.” Charb was among those murdered on Wednesday.

So I guess at the least you'd want to say some French are just a-holes that'll mock your religion but I see the value in it.

So yeah like I'm saying, there has been some purpose to why Charlie Hebdo do what they do and some justification for why what they do is satire but lets say there wasn't and all they were doing was just offending ppl. So what?! It's a ******* cartoon. Now I know it's obvious but it should just be restated that no matter how offensive something is it should never warrant mass murder. Charlie Hebdo simply has that right. I mean it's a no brainer but I'd much rather be offended by something I choose to watch/read everyday than this senseless murder. Even if you agree the pen is mightier than the sword I can't agree with any reasoning that "you're poking an angry bear" or w/e. **** those murderers.