The 2014-2015 NBA Season Thread. Lock It Up Please: The Golden State Warriors Are The Champions

[offset pow clow]

I always thought that more organized games and competition is what's best for development

You're not really working on your game, its basically pick up with refs

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I always thought that more organized games and competition is what's best for development

You assume that high school basketball is the pinnacle of organization and competition.

it isn't, here is Xavier Rathan Mayes running up the score against a hapless school of white midgets because he didn't get into the mcdonalds game.



the elite AAU leagues, adidas uprising and nike eybl are super organized, super competitive.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

This is pure gold, especially the bolded

"AAU basketball," Bryant said. "Horrible, terrible AAU basketball. It's stupid. It doesn't teach our kids how to play the game at all so you wind up having players that are big and they bring it up and they do all this fancy crap and they don't know how to post. They don't know the fundamentals of the game. It's stupid."

Bryant was born in Philadelphia, but when he was 6, his father, former NBA player Joe Bryant, moved the family to Italy to continue his playing career. Kobe spent his childhood in Europe until Joe retired in 1991 and moved the family back to the United States.

"When you have limitations and you understand your limitations and you stay within yourself, you can be great," Kobe Bryant said. "You know what you can do and what you can't do. In America, it's a big problem for us because we're not teaching players how to play all-around basketball. That's why you have Pau and Marc [Gasol], and that's the reason why 90 percent of the Spurs' roster is European players, because they have more skill."

This Kobe guy is amazing.

Never mind the fact I watch FIBA u16 u17 u18 every year and the Americans destroy the opposition with a combination of shooting(which is a skill last time I checked) and athleticism.


The reality is that the fact that the NCAA limits the amount of time kids can do individual practices with coaches, and the fact that basketball prospects have to PRETEND to be students is abigger reason euros are more skilled.

euros are playing PRO balll, there JOB is to get better everyday, they are being paid, kids in the american system have to go to class.

 

[mister friendly]

It been said AAU Basketball is a problem long before Kobe said it

 

[flossb15]

most of the AAU i see is let the best players go one on one to impress private school recruits and college scouts

Now there are some discipline AAU teams, but thats few

 

[storm2006]

This is pure gold, especially the bolded

"AAU basketball," Bryant said. "Horrible, terrible AAU basketball. It's stupid. It doesn't teach our kids how to play the game at all so you wind up having players that are big and they bring it up and they do all this fancy crap and they don't know how to post. They don't know the fundamentals of the game. It's stupid."

Bryant was born in Philadelphia, but when he was 6, his father, former NBA player Joe Bryant, moved the family to Italy to continue his playing career. Kobe spent his childhood in Europe until Joe retired in 1991 and moved the family back to the United States.

"When you have limitations and you understand your limitations and you stay within yourself, you can be great," Kobe Bryant said. "You know what you can do and what you can't do. In America, it's a big problem for us because we're not teaching players how to play all-around basketball. That's why you have Pau and Marc [Gasol], and that's the reason why 90 percent of the Spurs' roster is European players, because they have more skill."

This Kobe guy is amazing.

Never mind the fact I watch FIBA u16 u17 u18 every year and the Americans destroy the opposition with a combination of shooting(which is a skill last time I checked) and athleticism.


The reality is that the fact that the NCAA limits the amount of time kids can do individual practices with coaches, and the fact that basketball prospects have to PRETEND to be students is abigger reason euros are more skilled.

euros are playing PRO balll, there JOB is to get better everyday, they are being paid, kids in the american system have to go to class.

Serious question...why do you despise Kobe so much? A majority of the posts yesterday were you arguing about Kobe's shot selection and today you're starting an argument about Kobe's AAU comments. I don't get it.

 

[offset pow clow]

most of the AAU i see is let the best players go one on one to impress private school recruits and college scouts

Now there are some discipline AAU teams, but thats few

Thats the "camps" that make players go one on one

Bron vs lenny

Oj vs lance

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Serious question...why do you despise Kobe so much? A majority of the posts yesterday were you arguing about Kobe's shot selection and today you're starting an argument about Kobe's AAU comments. I don't get it.

1. I don't dispise kobe. Fine baskeball player, entertaing character

2. I dislike the whole "aau is the devil" mentality and myth that gets perpetuated by college basketball coaches. and now kobe.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

most of the AAU i see is let the best players go one on one to impress private school recruits and college scouts

Now there are some discipline AAU teams, but thats few

yeah because high school teams are out here running the princton offence.

aau is no worse than 99% of high school basketball.

at least elite aau teams are usually more evenly matched.

 

[8pm at msg]

Cream rises to the top regardless of where they play.

 

[$tacy]

Dwight Howard is the prime example of how AAU doesn't help these dudes game. Those black Celtic (was that their team?) Were stacked. I remember my cousin telling me about him saying he had like 38 pts all dunks.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

I just don't understand how high school coaches don't get blame along with AAU for teaching poor fundamentals

Why are you blaming AAU for Dwight's non diversified skill set

AAU by nature is more of a supplement to high school ball.. guys are remembered for what they do for their high schools not their AAU teams

 

[osh kosh bosh]

the reality america is the only place where they combine academics with training professional athletes.

Blaming AAU is a way for college coaches to justify the ridiculous system of plantation style exploitation that is the NCAA. In AAU the kids and coaches (where more of the coaches are black/brown) have too much power so that obviously scares the establishment.

"Man without the overseers these ****** will go crazy!"

This "AAU is the devil" stuff is a trick don't fall for it.

 

[chao7]

Blaming AAU is a way for college coaches to justify the ridiculous system of plantation style exploitation that is the NCAA.

This is not just a basketball issue either. Most corrupt organization in sports that gets a total pass from casual observers (along with the IOC).

They "care about young people" - just not enough to allow them to profit off their own image and talents, while they practically print money. It's all for the children, after all.

 

[pums]

You're not really working on your game, its basically pick up with refs

I'm not from the U.S. But I think aau we have something similar to that here in the Philippines for the summer we have inter state basically city versus city and district versus district etc.., the best of the best play here during summer and they have organized practice and training regimens.So you are practically playing with and against the best of the best all the time and you do not have to live in the city to represent it you just have to be willing to drive to that place for practice so it's the same team up stuff going on

You assume that high school basketball is the pinnacle of organization and competition.

it isn't, here is Xavier Rathan Mayes running up the score against a hapless school of white midgets because he didn't get into the mcdonalds game.



the elite AAU leagues, adidas uprising and nike eybl are super organized, super competitive.

Yup I'm for AAU ball more games equals more experience and competition and it seems like the competition is better from my experience also since I went to one of the bigger schools we trounced like 90% of the teams and just play against the same elite schools at the finals but during the summer playing against older players and more skilled players really make you improve

 

[offset pow clow]

Dwight Howard is the prime example of how AAU doesn't help these dudes game. Those black Celtic (was that their team?) Were stacked. I remember my cousin telling me about him saying he had like 38 pts all dunks.

Thats all aau is, take your local all star team around the country to different tournaments

 

[osh kosh bosh]

The reality is elite american prospects are so much bigger and stronger and faster than anyone they would ever face in high school or aau that it is damn near impossible to develop skills in competitive games.

European prospects who are freak athletes or are super big suffer from the same thing, Jonas Valanciunas, Jan Vesley, Mozgov, Kerilinko ect ect

Mario Hezonja is a perfect example of this, super athletic, super skilled and is a giant douchebagg and chucker. He's basically a euro Kobe. Why? Because he can, no one on the youth level can stop him.




but because of the amateurism rules, kids practice less and play more in USA.

I remember Andre Drummond being crucified for working on his skills in games. He focused on passing and shooting, people took that as softness maybe he was trying to develop those skills? its an attitude thing in america, y'all think competition is king. and it effects AAU and Highschool.


thats why FIBA play is still the best way to evaluate prospects, you can sniff out a Andrew Harrison early.

 

[dmbrhs]

I just don't understand how high school coaches don't get blame along with AAU for teaching poor fundamentals

Why are you blaming AAU for Dwight's non diversified skill set

AAU by nature is more of a supplement to high school ball.. guys are remembered for what they do for their high schools not their AAU teams

I give high school coaches a pass because these players just fall into their laps sometimes, and it's a lot easier to say "well, fellas, just give the ball to Player X" and see what happens. At the high school level, that will take you pretty far. Also, the high school coaches don't want to cross the AAU coaches who work with these players a lot more (and have been for a lot longer). And, a high school kid who has developed a relationship with an AAU coach isn't going to respond to a high school coach the same way. A lot of it is psychological.

Edit: I should clarify that I don't think AAU is better, or that the coaches are better. I'm just saying this is often the situation.

 

[dmbrhs]

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[awwsome]

Dwight Howard is the prime example of how AAU doesn't help these dudes game. Those black Celtic (was that their team?) Were stacked. I remember my cousin telling me about him saying he had like 38 pts all dunks.

Yea I can really see how AAU hurt his career, he probably could've been a perennial all star and top 3 defensive player of his era if not for that.


Maybe even lead the league in blocks and rebounds while leading his team to the Finals and being an MVP candidate.



What could've been.

 

[lawdog1]

This is pure gold, especially the bolded

"AAU basketball," Bryant said. "Horrible, terrible AAU basketball. It's stupid. It doesn't teach our kids how to play the game at all so you wind up having players that are big and they bring it up and they do all this fancy crap and they don't know how to post. They don't know the fundamentals of the game. It's stupid."

Bryant was born in Philadelphia, but when he was 6, his father, former NBA player Joe Bryant, moved the family to Italy to continue his playing career. Kobe spent his childhood in Europe until Joe retired in 1991 and moved the family back to the United States.

"When you have limitations and you understand your limitations and you stay within yourself, you can be great," Kobe Bryant said. "You know what you can do and what you can't do. In America, it's a big problem for us because we're not teaching players how to play all-around basketball. That's why you have Pau and Marc [Gasol], and that's the reason why 90 percent of the Spurs' roster is European players, because they have more skill."

Kobe must not be very good at geography (or math) if he thinks 90 percent of the Spurs roster is European. Manu and Splitter are from Latin America, Kawahi, Danny Green and Bonner are all American, Timmy is from the Virgin Islands, Patty Mills is Australian. I think the only "Europeans" are Parker and Diaw.

 

[offset pow clow]

Yea I can really see how AAU hurt his career, he probably could've been a perennial all star and top 3 defensive player of his era if not for that.


Maybe even lead the league in blocks and rebounds while leading his team to the Finals and being an MVP candidate.



What could've been.

But thats all from physical gifts & he didnt lead his team to the finals, that whole team was playing great, be real

 

[storm2006]

This is pure gold, especially the bolded

"AAU basketball," Bryant said. "Horrible, terrible AAU basketball. It's stupid. It doesn't teach our kids how to play the game at all so you wind up having players that are big and they bring it up and they do all this fancy crap and they don't know how to post. They don't know the fundamentals of the game. It's stupid."

Bryant was born in Philadelphia, but when he was 6, his father, former NBA player Joe Bryant, moved the family to Italy to continue his playing career. Kobe spent his childhood in Europe until Joe retired in 1991 and moved the family back to the United States.

"When you have limitations and you understand your limitations and you stay within yourself, you can be great," Kobe Bryant said. "You know what you can do and what you can't do. In America, it's a big problem for us because we're not teaching players how to play all-around basketball. That's why you have Pau and Marc [Gasol], and that's the reason why 90 percent of the Spurs' roster is European players, because they have more skill."

Kobe must not be very good at geography (or math) if he thinks 90 percent of the Spurs roster is European. Manu and Splitter are from Latin America, Kawahi, Danny Green and Bonner are all American, Timmy is from the Virgin Islands, Patty Mills is Australian. I think the only "Europeans" are Parker and Diaw.

I don't want to speak for him but I think his statement was alluding to International players in general. Doesn't make his comment correct but I think we all know what he was getting at

 

[awwsome]

But thats all from physical gifts & he didnt lead his team to the finals, that whole team was playing great, be real

The team revolved around his defense and the fact he was a constant double team which led to all those open 3's.


Without Dwight that team doesn't even make the playoffs you're joking.


That was the best season we've seen from a center since.

 

[urbetterthenme]

I don't want to speak for him but I think his statement was alluding to International players in general. Doesn't make his comment correct but I think we all know what he was getting at

You are correct. Most of the spurs players have international playing backgrounds. Oh and Marco is from Italy.