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I would argue unless you're an elite player, best way to stay in the league a long time is to become a specialist.
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I don't understand why they were starting him in the first place.
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- You have more flexibility in picking a program. With travel and school teams, there are fewer options and more rigid rules as far as practices, playing time, etc. The AAU system is a free market, where programs come in a variety of shapes and sizes to fit various needs. Most programs are quite competitive, use experienced coaches, and cater to serious basketball players.
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just look at rasual butler. I could've sworn dude was hella washed years ago. Now he's burning squads with his 3 point shooting. He decided that he was going to create some value for himself and he did.
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the only american born player without any flaws to his game is monta ellis
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Julius Randle laughs at this notion.
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julius b. he did descend from mt. olympus tho..so that may not count.
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But your assuming he can't do these things. I'm telling you that jimmer doesn't have the athleticism to be that kind of scorer at this level.
The difference between jimmer and Nate Robinson is strictly elite athleticism. And I'm assuming you're thinking that NBA players don't work on their game. Wes Johnson can waste his summers dribbling until his arms fall off but the fact of the matter is he doesn't have the fluidity to do anything with a ball. And if he somehow made a miraculous jump, he still has to watch Kobe pump fake and shoot over 2 defenders.
The difference between jimmer and Nate Robinson is strictly elite athleticism. And I'm assuming you're thinking that NBA players don't work on their game. Wes Johnson can waste his summers dribbling until his arms fall off but the fact of the matter is he doesn't have the fluidity to do anything with a ball. And if he somehow made a miraculous jump, he still has to watch Kobe pump fake and shoot over 2 defenders.
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randle was born in in bethlehem though
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wes johnson without arms would not be that much of a drop off from the current wes johnson
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What's the last team to win a championship without a post presence?
Getting post points will always be important
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for jimmer, he wasnt going up against the best talent in college. played in a weak conference. didnt really get exposed. you throw him in a power conf during his college yrs and he wouldve been gerry macnamara
a guy i watched up close was jason richardson. ZERO handles when he came into the league. he improved enough where he was able to drive to the hoop. there is hope, you just got to put in that work during summer.
a guy i watched up close was jason richardson. ZERO handles when he came into the league. he improved enough where he was able to drive to the hoop. there is hope, you just got to put in that work during summer.
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You don't wait until you get into the league to figure those things out though which is the point. Jimmer was probably never an elite athlete and Wes was a below average shooter, ball handler etc.
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i'm working on an ebook with a bunch of little articles like this one that i plan to self-publish in due time.
this entry is on Omar Cook.
this entry is on Omar Cook.
Omar Cook
I attended Christ the King basketball camp around 1999 and in between drills and games, we watched videos of Omar Cook that painted the 6’1” point guard from Brooklyn, New York as the next elite prospect from the concrete jungle.
In his lone season with the St. John’s Red Storm, Cook solidified himself as one of the best 1’s in the university’s history. He scored 15.3 PPG and dished 8.7 APG.
During that 2000-01 season, via NBA.com, he dropped 10 or more dimes seven times and broke Mark Jackson’s record for most assists in a game with 17 against Stony Brook. He collected 252 assists, setting a freshman record for the Johnnies that was previously held by Erick Barkley—another fellow Christ the King alum.
But for some reason, the stardom we all thought he was destined to achieve, never happened.
Declaring Too Soon
In hindsight, it’s really easy to see the mistake Cook made.
Like Sebastian Telfair who opted to enter the NBA draft out of high school instead of heading to college, Cook had a broken jumper and relied too often on his speed to get to the basket. Some of the weaker opponents he faced early in his journey amplified his actual talent as a scorer—he wasn’t well rounded and prolific from the field—and he struggled at the next level as a result.
Telfair was fortunate enough to be a lottery pick capitalizing on the aura surrounding New York’s elite prospects, but Cook endured a difficult path that would’ve sent most athletes into the doldrums.
Some bad advice sent Cook on an unfortunate detour:
Via Roger Rubin of the NY Daily News, “As Cook was considering the possibility of leaving school for the draft, he went to the NBA's pre-draft camp in Chicago and caught the attention of Michael Jordan and Isiah Thomas. With NBA scouts assuring him he would be among the first point guards selected, he opted for the draft.”
Rubin also went to write in his article from 2002, A DREAM DEFERRED Omar Cook Struggling to Find His Way to NBA, “While the scouts touted his abilities, Jarvis recommended another year in school, something Cook interpreted as a lack of support. ‘It was never about Omar's talent, because I thought and still think he has the talent to make it,’ Jarvis says. ‘It's the advice I'd have given to anyone. Who wouldn't profit from another year of playing in college? It's another year of development. It's another year of growing. It's another year of maturity.’”
Most of us know Mike Jarvis as the man that nearly delivered the death sentence to the Red Storm’s basketball program, but his advice was the best Cook received.
Unexpected Road
Cook was drafted in the second round with the 32nd overall pick. His NBA career was a brief cup of coffee that none of us ever imagined possible.
He bounced around the D-League, played 17 games for the Portland Trail Blazers in 2003-04 and five with the Toronto Raptors in 2004-05.
Fortunately for himself, Cook was allowed to follow his dreams overseas in Belgium, Russia, Serbia and the Euroleague. The money and allure wasn’t as fulfilling as making it in the NBA, but at least he was granted the chance to earn a respectable living playing the game he has always loved.
At 10 years old or so, I thought Cook would be the truth, the next superstar out of New York that made an impact everywhere he went, but life didn’t have a script and Cook’s career went through the wormhole—a path that tested his merit and provided a tremendous lesson for young athletes around the world.
As tough as things were for Cook, especially early in his career, he fought his hardest to make a living playing basketball and managed to continue doing so far longer than many expected.
I attended Christ the King basketball camp around 1999 and in between drills and games, we watched videos of Omar Cook that painted the 6’1” point guard from Brooklyn, New York as the next elite prospect from the concrete jungle.
In his lone season with the St. John’s Red Storm, Cook solidified himself as one of the best 1’s in the university’s history. He scored 15.3 PPG and dished 8.7 APG.
During that 2000-01 season, via NBA.com, he dropped 10 or more dimes seven times and broke Mark Jackson’s record for most assists in a game with 17 against Stony Brook. He collected 252 assists, setting a freshman record for the Johnnies that was previously held by Erick Barkley—another fellow Christ the King alum.
But for some reason, the stardom we all thought he was destined to achieve, never happened.
Declaring Too Soon
In hindsight, it’s really easy to see the mistake Cook made.
Like Sebastian Telfair who opted to enter the NBA draft out of high school instead of heading to college, Cook had a broken jumper and relied too often on his speed to get to the basket. Some of the weaker opponents he faced early in his journey amplified his actual talent as a scorer—he wasn’t well rounded and prolific from the field—and he struggled at the next level as a result.
Telfair was fortunate enough to be a lottery pick capitalizing on the aura surrounding New York’s elite prospects, but Cook endured a difficult path that would’ve sent most athletes into the doldrums.
Some bad advice sent Cook on an unfortunate detour:
Via Roger Rubin of the NY Daily News, “As Cook was considering the possibility of leaving school for the draft, he went to the NBA's pre-draft camp in Chicago and caught the attention of Michael Jordan and Isiah Thomas. With NBA scouts assuring him he would be among the first point guards selected, he opted for the draft.”
Rubin also went to write in his article from 2002, A DREAM DEFERRED Omar Cook Struggling to Find His Way to NBA, “While the scouts touted his abilities, Jarvis recommended another year in school, something Cook interpreted as a lack of support. ‘It was never about Omar's talent, because I thought and still think he has the talent to make it,’ Jarvis says. ‘It's the advice I'd have given to anyone. Who wouldn't profit from another year of playing in college? It's another year of development. It's another year of growing. It's another year of maturity.’”
Most of us know Mike Jarvis as the man that nearly delivered the death sentence to the Red Storm’s basketball program, but his advice was the best Cook received.
Unexpected Road
Cook was drafted in the second round with the 32nd overall pick. His NBA career was a brief cup of coffee that none of us ever imagined possible.
He bounced around the D-League, played 17 games for the Portland Trail Blazers in 2003-04 and five with the Toronto Raptors in 2004-05.
Fortunately for himself, Cook was allowed to follow his dreams overseas in Belgium, Russia, Serbia and the Euroleague. The money and allure wasn’t as fulfilling as making it in the NBA, but at least he was granted the chance to earn a respectable living playing the game he has always loved.
At 10 years old or so, I thought Cook would be the truth, the next superstar out of New York that made an impact everywhere he went, but life didn’t have a script and Cook’s career went through the wormhole—a path that tested his merit and provided a tremendous lesson for young athletes around the world.
As tough as things were for Cook, especially early in his career, he fought his hardest to make a living playing basketball and managed to continue doing so far longer than many expected.
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Let's get this W heat
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Don't think it's an argument actually. It's a fact.
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im not saying its impossible or that you shouldn't do it ever.
im saying it's more difficult to do effectively because of rules and strategy changes.
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yup, you can blame whatever systems are in place for a kid coming into the league unpolished
but if a player still sucks in year 5 then they are the ones who did something wrong
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I haven't been paying that close attention - have the Hornets been better since Lance stopped playing?
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yes
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People dont even realize that there is a such thing as plateau.
Players plateau. Doesn't matter how much you work on your game, certain things you just wont be good at. At most you'll get marginally better but thats it.
People are citing guys like jimmer, wes johnson, j lin, as if they dont spend entire summers working on what they are deficient at. When you face NBA competition, your weaknesses will show, thus the impression that players don't work on their game. They do man
Players plateau. Doesn't matter how much you work on your game, certain things you just wont be good at. At most you'll get marginally better but thats it.
People are citing guys like jimmer, wes johnson, j lin, as if they dont spend entire summers working on what they are deficient at. When you face NBA competition, your weaknesses will show, thus the impression that players don't work on their game. They do man
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Ok I see
I guess its like a chicken or the egg type thing
I also feel like teams don't do it because alot bigs dont work on their post game
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Wiggin balling again, I hate the midrange shots but he's been hitting em at a high rate.
Shooting 50% and 42% from 3 in has last 5, 21 a game and 4 rebounds.
Shooting 50% and 42% from 3 in has last 5, 21 a game and 4 rebounds.
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