The 2014-2015 NBA Season Thread. Lock It Up Please: The Golden State Warriors Are The Champions

[victor page]

NT All Stats

 

[sea manup]

USA basketball is fine.. could be better, but is fine.

if anything can be better it should strive to be better

leave that could be better but its fine mentality with the toronto raptors 

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I doubt that any 1st round draft pick played at a high school where his coach was a part time teacher. pretty sure at this point they all transfer to big time school with full time coaches.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

if anything can be better it should strive to be better

leave that could be better but its fine mentality with the toronto raptors :x

sure but the problem isn't aau.

 

[sea manup]

 

if anything can be better it should strive to be better

leave that could be better but its fine mentality with the toronto raptors 

sure but the problem isn't aau.

but the aau can be improved to help fix the problem

this really isnt rocket science 

 

[8pm at msg]

AAU should just imitate the European athletics system when it comes to these high school kids then. Of course the real question is where is this money coming from to pay these kids but we might as well just take that step because college ball ain't trying to do it.

 

[shoeking2101]

AAU should just imitate the European athletics system when it comes to these high school kids then. Of course the real question is where is this money coming from to pay these kids but we might as well just take that step because college ball ain't trying to do it.

Somewhat agree. These players with legit College and NBA chances are wasting time and tax dollars going to school.

 

[sea manup]

AAU should just imitate the European athletics system when it comes to these high school kids then. Of course the real question is where is this money coming from to pay these kids but we might as well just take that step because college ball ain't trying to do it.

doubt the guys who make money from AAU basketball will want to give it away to kids when these kids are already willing to play on their teams for free

 

[osh kosh bosh]

but the aau can be improved to help fix the problem

this really isnt rocket science 

yeah if you are going to fix something you have to be able accurately diagnose the problem.

saying that AAU is the reason these kids aren't skilled means you don't understand the problem.


on the list of problems aau is way down the line, it's probably a strength of the american system compared to the europe.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Why is the assumption that fundamentals are declining?

 

[mister friendly]

 

 

HS coaches in the USA are basically part time teacher, full time coaches if that makes sense it is way different than Canada

to be fair its easier to be a history or pe teacher than a basketball coach at any level

I don't quite understand what you are saying

basically the expectations are lower for a history or pe teacher, pretty much just need to pass the time and hopefully the kids learn something along the way. while as a basketball coach you're expected to develop the kids since every parent thinks their kid is the next big thing

You're not understanding

The HS coaches in a lot places are coaches first, teachers 2nd

Most coaches are in the classroom 3-4 classes vs 6 classes for a regular teacher or like in Canada

Some coaches are in the classroom one or no periods. Then you have the other coaches who do study hall, ISS or the Testing Center

They have plenty of time to obsess about Sports vs the AAU coach who works at FedEx

 

[lawdog1]

but the aau can be improved to help fix the problem

this really isnt rocket science 

But AAU isn't the disastrous, basketball ruining force that Kobe made it out to be. That's what most everyone on here is saying. Whether it could be "improved" is a different point. Everything can be improved. But if you want to spin the point so Kobe's right - like usual - be my guest.

 

[sea manup]

 

but the aau can be improved to help fix the problem

this really isnt rocket science 

yeah if you are going to fix something you have to be able accurately diagnose the problem.

saying that AAU is the reason these kids aren't skilled means you don't understand the problem.


on the list of problems aau is way down the line, it's probably a strength of the american system compared to the europe.

then what do you think is the problem?

where is most of the basketball being played at a pre-college level?

 

[MVP]

Why is the assumption that fundamentals are declining?

You have a majority of players who are just one trick ponies who can either dunk and not shoot or vice versa. The stars are who they are but they're the vast minority. It would be nice to see these guys with all this athleticism be able to diversify their games.

 

[offset pow clow]

Sweeping generalizations every where.

The fact of the matter is, these bad AAU coaches, bad high school coaches, and poor fundamental skills coaches have produced what I think is the most talented crop of NBA players ever.

Thats because physically the players today are superior

 

[chao7]

Two of the best ever bringing up legit points but NT All Stats once again with the expertise.

Pretty sure that someone posted tweets a few pages back of a longtime scout of some sort basically saying Kobe was full of it. Dude doesn't even attend the AAU games?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

then what do you think is the problem?

where is most of the basketball being played at a pre-college level?

euros tend to lack the creativity and individual skills of Americans because European system is way to regimented and practice heavy in the early years.


in perfect world you should allow kids to be pros at 16 and go to academies where they can focus on the game and not have limited practice time with coaches because of NCAA rules. but thats never going to happen.


aau is good because it allows kids to play tons of games at a young age which imo is the most important thing, the finer details should be honed at later ages grades 11-12

 

[sea manup]

 

but the aau can be improved to help fix the problem

this really isnt rocket science 

But AAU isn't the disastrous, basketball ruining force that Kobe made it out to be. That's what most everyone on here is saying. Whether it could be "improved" is a different point. Everything can be improved. But if you want to spin the point so Kobe's right - like usual - be my guest.

if lack of skill development is a problem, and kids play large chunk of their time playing aau basketball then its pretty logical to think that aau basketball could do better in skill development. of course kobe's going to make it more extreme than it actually is though "i think aau basketball can be improved" isnt making any news headlines or getting people to talk about aau basketball. he says something extreme and now everyone is talking about the problems with aau basketball, which is how change happens 

 

[8pm at msg]

I mean like I said before....the cream will rise to the top. It's not like role players in the 90s were leaps and bounds better than there counterparts today....hell I see more diversity in the style of players today than any other time. Wouldn't a lack of fundamentals cause the opposite effect?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I mean like I said before....the cream will rise to the top. It's not like role players in the 90s were leaps and bounds better than there counterparts today....hell I see more diversity in the style of players today than any other time. Wouldn't a lack of fundamentals cause the opposite effect?

they weren't they were worse.

the quality of play was at an all time low from like 99-2003

 

[sea manup]

 

then what do you think is the problem?

where is most of the basketball being played at a pre-college level?

euros tend to lack the creativity and individual skills of Americans because European system is way to regimented and practice heavy in the early years.


in perfect world you should allow kids to be pros at 16 and go to academies where they can focus on the game and not have limited practice time with coaches because of NCAA rules. but thats never going to happen.


aau is good because it allows kids to play tons of games at a young age which imo is the most important thing, the finer details should be honed at later ages grades 11-12

thats the thing, aau is good in that it gives kids the platform to play a lot of basketball

but because it has that platform and kids spend most of their time playing aau basketball, it becomes one of if not the biggest factors to skill development for pre-college basketball players. 

why cant aau teams be these academies where they can focus on the game. when you bring up limited practice time because of NCAA rules you talk as if these kids dont play enough basketball. they play plenty of basketball, aau basketball. so why not use aau basketball as the platform for more advanced skill development

 

[freeze]

Two of the best ever bringing up legit points but NT All Stats once again with the expertise.

Pretty sure that someone posted tweets a few pages back of a longtime scout of some sort basically saying Kobe was full of it. Dude doesn't even attend the AAU games?

Why would he have to attend the games to know the outcome? He plays against the byproduct of the aau era

 

[offset pow clow]

How many big man can hit a consistent left/right jumphook?

How many wing players can actually operate out of the post effectively?

How many pg's today can actually run an offense?

Dudes think having nice handles & pulling up from 3= fundamentals

 

[MVP]

they weren't they were worse.

the quality of play was at an all time low from like 99-2003

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[sea manup]

 

I mean like I said before....the cream will rise to the top. It's not like role players in the 90s were leaps and bounds better than there counterparts today....hell I see more diversity in the style of players today than any other time. Wouldn't a lack of fundamentals cause the opposite effect?

they weren't they were worse.

the quality of play was at an all time low from like 99-2003

you forgot to mention the sudden dip in quality from 08-11