The 2014-2015 NBA Season Thread. Lock It Up Please: The Golden State Warriors Are The Champions

[lawdog1]

if lack of skill development is a problem, and kids play large chunk of their time playing aau basketball then its pretty logical to think that aau basketball could do better in skill development. of course kobe's going to make it more extreme than it actually is though "i think aau basketball can be improved" isnt making any news headlines or getting people to talk about aau basketball. he says something extreme and now everyone is talking about the problems with aau basketball, which is how change happens 

But whether lack of skills really is a problem is a big "if." It's not clear that it is, really. There are some fine international players in the NBA, but the league is still dominated by Americans.

There never have been perfect players and there have always been specialists. That continues to be true. The idea that things are much worse than they used to be doesn't hold much water.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Two of the top 5 players in the league aren't athletic freaks: steph and james harden.

and there are plenty of elite athletes with diverse games. John wall and westbrook are the cream of the crop physically but one is a scorer first and the other is a pure PG.

I think sometimes people only see athleticism and not skill

 

[sea manup]

james harden is hella athletic, dont let that arm fat fool you

 

[addict4sneakers]

Of course he's athletic but he isn't an elite NBA athlete by definition.

 

[MVP]

They are stars though, you're average NBA Joe can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Just take Lin for example, dude is supposed to be a PG yet can only go one way effectively and has no left hand, average dribbling skills and turns the ball over at an alarming rate.

 

[sea manup]

They are stars though, you're average NBA Joe can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Just take Lin for example, dude is supposed to be a PG yet can only go one way effectively and has no left hand, average dribbling skills and turns the ball over at an alarming rate.

wes johnson is the posterboy of lack of skill development 

 

[$tacy]

How many big man can hit a consistent left/right jumphook?

How many wing players can actually operate out of the post effectively?

How many pg's today can actually run an offense?

Dudes think having nice handles & pulling up from 3= fundamentals

Kyrie effect

 

[osh kosh bosh]

thats the thing, aau is good in that it gives kids the platform to play a lot of basketball

but because it has that platform and kids spend most of their time playing aau basketball, it becomes one of if not the biggest factors to skill development for pre-college basketball players. 

why cant aau teams be these academies where they can focus on the game. when you bring up limited practice time because of NCAA rules you talk as if these kids dont play enough basketball. they play plenty of basketball, aau basketball. so why not use aau basketball as the platform for more advanced skill development

nah ncaa rules limits the amount of practices with coaches you can have. so kids end up practicing by themselves. pretty sure that goes for aau as well. there only so much development you can do without coaches.

 

[addict4sneakers]

They are stars though, you're average NBA Joe can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Just take Lin for example, dude is supposed to be a PG yet can only go one way effectively and has no left hand, average dribbling skills and turns the ball over at an alarming rate.

There are plenty of players with limitations. Always have been and always will be. There is no such thing as a perfect player

 

[pmatic]

I remember in HS, we could only practice basketball during our sixth period for the first month of school. After school was dedicated to conditioning and weight lifting.

 

[dman14]

there just too many teams in the league and it has watered down the talent on the roster

 

[freeze]

They are stars though, you're average NBA Joe can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Just take Lin for example, dude is supposed to be a PG yet can only go one way effectively and has no left hand, average dribbling skills and turns the ball over at an alarming rate.

There are plenty of players with limitations. Always have been and always will be. There is no such thing as a perfect player

Michael, Kobe, Lebron, the list can actually go on.

 

[pmatic]

@IraHeatBeat Josh Smith removed from Rockets starting lineup in favor of Donatas Motiejunas.

That didn't take long.

 

[addict4sneakers]

They are stars though, you're average NBA Joe can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Just take Lin for example, dude is supposed to be a PG yet can only go one way effectively and has no left hand, average dribbling skills and turns the ball over at an alarming rate.

There are plenty of players with limitations. Always have been and always will be. There is no such thing as a perfect player

Michael, Kobe, Lebron, the list can actually go on.

Mike was a poor 3 point shooter. Kobe takes and makes terrible shots. Lebron isn't great ball handler by any means. Everyone has flaws. It's how you mask them and master what you do best.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

How many big man can hit a consistent left/right jumphook?

How many wing players can actually operate out of the post effectively?

How many pg's today can actually run an offense?

Dudes think having nice handles & pulling up from 3= fundamentals

people have been complaining about that stuff since the invention of basketball. old people always feel stuff was better back in their day.

The current rules make shooting and passing generally more important than posting up one on one.

the market responded to those demands, now nba players shoot and pass better and post up less.

 

[freeze]

@IraHeatBeat Josh Smith removed from Rockets starting lineup in favor of Donatas Motiejunas.

That didn't take long.

next it will say : Josh Smith removed from Rockets roster in favor of lemon pepper wings

 

[MVP]

Of course there's no perfect player. It's just so many specialists in the league that can literally only do one thing and will have a nervous breakdown if they're forced to deviate from that. And it's not because they lack the vitals and measurements to do these things either. These are simple things supposed to be taught from rec-little league when you're first learning to play the game. That should be getting reinforced and enhanced as the talent grows. Don't think that's happening nearly enough.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

there just too many teams in the league and it has watered down the talent on the roster

the talent was extremely watered down through half of jordans prime, no one complained.

 

[duba169]

Two of the best ever bringing up legit points but NT All Stats once again with the expertise.

Lolsssss at NT All Stats.

 

[mister friendly]

Posting up is the easiest way to score

But it takes the most practice=fundamentals

 

[offset pow clow]

there just too many teams in the league and it has watered down the talent on the roster

Cmon man you got dudes who get drafted in the lottery that cant make a layup with there off hand during contact, how you wait until getting to the nba to develop your off hand

 

[dman14]

there just too many teams in the league and it has watered down the talent on the roster

the talent was extremely watered down through half of jordans prime, no one complained.

at least guys were ready to contribute when they were drafted. you got to wait a few seasons for these kids to even contribute. they are taken roster spot to develop

 

[addict4sneakers]

Of course there's no perfect player. It's just so many specialists in the league that can literally only do one thing and will have a nervous breakdown if they're forced to deviate from that. And it's not because they lack the vitals and measurements to do these things either. These are simple things supposed to be taught from rec-little league when you're first learning to play the game. That should be getting reinforced and enhanced as the talent grows. Don't think that's happening nearly enough.

But there are levels to these cats games. Case in point, jimmer was an elite scorer at the college level, but he's struggling to stay in the league because he's not one at this level. His best bet is to become a specialist in order to keep a job. Only a handful of guys get the freedom and deserve the freedom

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Posting up is the easiest way to score

But it takes the most practice=fundamentals

nah, the change in illegeal defense rules, created more sophisticated man to man d's with zone principles, it's way easier to overload the side with the ball and collapse on post up attempts.

it's part of why you don't see big PG's any more, it's now more important to be fast for your position than big for your position.



it's the reason why Mark Jackson's 90's offense, some how managed a below league average offence despite having Steph Curry and Klay thompson on the roster.

 

[MVP]

But there are levels to these cats games. Case in point, jimmer was an elite scorer at the college level, but he's struggling to stay in the league because he's not one at this level. His best bet is to become a specialist in order to keep a job. Only a handful of guys get the freedom and deserve the freedom

Think you're making my point for me. If he can't even do the one thing that he's good at well in the league, wouldn't he maybe have been better served to develop other aspects of his game. If you elite at one thing like Korver and JJ are to an extent you can carve a niche. But if you can't even do that one facet of your game well you'll be out of the league. If somebody is able to take away your best move it's always best to have a countermove and be able to beat them another way.