The 2014-2015 NBA Season Thread. Lock It Up Please: The Golden State Warriors Are The Champions

[awwsome]

In terms of DPOY it just annoys me that Tim Duncan never won one. But again I get to watch all of his games and see how much of a force he is on Defense. He has been out defense for like the last 5 years or so.

The times where he really could have won he had to deal with Ben Wallace/KG/Camby then that Dwight Howard guy got drafted.

 

[scalabrine]

Draymond is about to get paid this offseason and I doubt by the warriors

 

[011781]

I think I value perimeter defenders more than post defenders

I'd rather have the play disrupted at the start of the possession vs at the end....  I guess I'd compare it to having a great DL and a suspect secondary

but again, it's all a preference... 

 

[dmbrhs]

1. If you are not on a top 10 D or at least above average, don't really see how you can be the DPOY unless the circumstances are extraordinary. so that disqualifies Deandre.

2. I really don't think any perimeter playing should win the DPOY, again unless you are a generational defensive talent like Scottie Pippen, or Ron Artest.

So that leaves my ballot looking like

Draymond Green
Tim Duncan
Serge Ibaka
Roy Hibbert


If I were to give any perimeter player a vote it would probably be John Wall.

Even then, Pippen didn't win one. They used to give it to wing players back in the '80s, but since MJ in '88, only Payton and Artest have won it. GP winning is still mind blowing. A friggin' point guard.

 

[011781]

Draymond is about to get paid this offseason and I doubt by the warriors

 

[mgrand15]

It's crazy how many accolades the Clippers' players could rack up and we look at them like pretty low odds to win a title

DPOY (Jordan), 6th Man (Crawford), MVP (Blake) and All-NBA (Paul and Blake)

You listening to doc rivers talk too much.

 

[dmbrhs]

I think I value perimeter defenders more than post defenders

I'd rather have the play disrupted at the start of the possession vs at the end....  I guess I'd compare it to having a great DL and a suspect secondary

but again, it's all a preference... 

You're not giving enough credit to pick and roll defense, and the fact big men have to step out near the perimeter now, and then recover back to the rim. It's one thing to create disruption at the point of attack. But to cover that much ground and still protect the rim is a greater task defensively than strictly perimeter defense.

 

[jadaqwest]

if the cavs wanna win they need to get brandon wright from celtics heard he was available adding him is the extra punch they are missing could even be a starting center for them even tho hes a 4 hes long then add j oneal or ray allen  look out chi town

 

[antidope]

 
I think I value perimeter defenders more than post defenders

I'd rather have the play disrupted at the start of the possession vs at the end....  I guess I'd compare it to having a great DL and a suspect secondary

but again, it's all a preference... 

If I remember right the numbers disagree with you, but yeah it really is preference. 

 

[awwsome]

It ain't preference, rim protection is more important than perimeter defense, it's a fact that's been proven time and time again.

You can prefer what you like but math is math.

 

[011781]

You're not giving enough credit to pick and roll defense, and the fact big men have to step out near the perimeter now, and then recover back to the rim. It's one thing to create disruption at the point of attack. But to cover that much ground and still protect the rim is a greater task defensively than strictly perimeter defense.

I could counter and say you're not valuing the speed and playmaking ability of guards .. a good perimeter defender makes life easier for bigs on the P&R 

again, it's all about preference 

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I think I value perimeter defenders more than post defenders

I'd rather have the play disrupted at the start of the possession vs at the end....  I guess I'd compare it to having a great DL and a suspect secondary

but again, it's all a preference... 

yeah it's not really a preference.

we have tons of data at this point both statistical and anecdotal.

Very few perimeter players in todays NBA can equate to an elite rim protecting/pick and roll big.

In today's nba you can take away an elite perimeter defenders impact: running pick and rolls on one side of the court the reversing the ball and attacking the other side, harder to avoid a great pick and roll/rim protecting big, they are can impact your offence in more ways.

elite d's are almost always built around elite defensive bigs, there exceptions of course. but the reality as good as John Wall is he's never going to have the impact of a Tim Duncan, a prime Tyson Chandler or Ben Wallace.

 

[011781]

It ain't preference, rim protection is more important than perimeter defense, it's a fact that's been proven time and time again.

You can prefer what you like but math is math.

show me these numbers and show me that all coaches agree with it ..... 

if math was math... all teams would live by the same philosophy and build teams exactly the same 

 

[awwsome]

show me these numbers and show me that all coaches agree with it ..... 

if math was math... all teams would live by the same philosophy and build teams exactly the same 

Look at the post above yours, look at the best defenses in the league, look at the past 20 champions, look at your own teams championship.

One commons theme.

 

[011781]

elite d's are almost always built around elite defensive bigs, there exceptions of course. but the reality as good as John Wall is he's never going to have the impact of a Tim Duncan, a prime Tyson Chandler or Ben Wallace.

the Miami Heat ? 

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

1. If you are not on a top 10 D or at least above average, don't really see how you can be the DPOY unless the circumstances are extraordinary. so that disqualifies Deandre.

2. I really don't think any perimeter playing should win the DPOY, again unless you are a generational defensive talent like Scottie Pippen, or Ron Artest.

So that leaves my ballot looking like

Draymond Green
Tim Duncan
Serge Ibaka
Roy Hibbert


If I were to give any perimeter player a vote it would probably be John Wall.

Agree with most of everything you said here, but do you consider rebounding to factor in?

Hibbert's rebounding numbers are pretty terrible

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Agree with most of everything you said here, but do you consider rebounding to factor in?

Hibbert's rebounding numbers are pretty terrible

yeah but hibbert is a guy who's team rebounds better when he's on the court and his squad is an elite rebounding team.

People like to make fun of him, but it's tough for guys 7'2 and over to actually jump and grab boards, but they can box out a ton of people and make it easier for your squad to grab rebounds. Same thing for Yao, Rockets rebounded great, when he was on the court but yao never grabbed a ton himself.

Pacers second best defensive reboudning team in the league, and Hibbert is a big reason.


Would you rather a Lance Stephenson who steals boards to pad stats, or Hibbert who's teams always rebound great when he's on the court?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

the Miami Heat ? 

Bosh was a great pick and roll defender and the lynch pin of their scheme. Erik Spolstra has said this multiple times. Bosh is the most important defensive player during their run.

 

[awwsome]

the Miami Heat ? 

So out of all that, you found one outlier that had the greatest basketball player in the world.

Great job finding the exception and not the rule, like I said prefer what you like but the proof is in the pudding.

 

[011781]

Bosh was a great pick and roll defender and the lynch pin of their scheme. Erik Spolstra has said this multiple times. Bosh is the most important defensive player during their run.

Lebron was the best defensive player on that team.... Spo can kill that noise 

 

[offset pow clow]

Dwight is winning it again if rockets stay at the top

 

[dmbrhs]

Lebron was the best defensive player on that team.... Spo can kill that noise 

best =/= most important (which is what Spo said, and OKB reiterated)

You can be the best perimeter defender in the world, but without rim protection, it's meaningless.

 

[awwsome]

I remember when dudes thought Dwight was washed after the LOLakers debacle and his back surgery.


Looks pretty good to me besides his haircut.

 

[bonafide hustla]

the blazers ain't winning a damn thing

how can a fan really gauge DPOY? 

wouldn't you have to be analyzing possession after possession of these players to see how they effect the defense? 

none of use are watching THAT much basketball.... 

lemme find out somebody got a film room in their garage. 

league pass? ballstreams? torrents?

not to say I'm particularly more qualified than the next, but in college i literally just watched basketball games over and over and over. and over. and over.

this happens

 

[bonafide hustla]

dwight should not win DPOY, and I'm a Houston Rockets fan