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Travis Hafner?
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Travis Hafner?
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Right, I just want him off my team.
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Phillies come away from this trade as thiefs. Ruben Amaro Jr. should be arrested and sent to prison for life.
Lets see, he trades away a couple of prospects and Cliff Lee, but gets not only the best player involved in the deal, but the Jays are also going to pay halfof Halladay's salary for the season. Not only that, but he gets some prospects in return that'll make up for the guys they traded to the Jays.
This doesnt look right...
I dont think I've seen Halladay smile as much in his 10+ years with the Jays as he did today during his 10 minute press conference
Dude is happy to be out of the hell-hole organization known as the Jays and playing for a legit contender. The extension he signed is good value for thePhillies as well. 3-years, $20 mill. a season for one of the top pitchers in baseball is better value than what some of these #2 and #3 free agent pitchershave been getting the past few years.
Lets see, he trades away a couple of prospects and Cliff Lee, but gets not only the best player involved in the deal, but the Jays are also going to pay halfof Halladay's salary for the season. Not only that, but he gets some prospects in return that'll make up for the guys they traded to the Jays.
This doesnt look right...
I dont think I've seen Halladay smile as much in his 10+ years with the Jays as he did today during his 10 minute press conference
Dude is happy to be out of the hell-hole organization known as the Jays and playing for a legit contender. The extension he signed is good value for thePhillies as well. 3-years, $20 mill. a season for one of the top pitchers in baseball is better value than what some of these #2 and #3 free agent pitchershave been getting the past few years.
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yeah, i first thought the phils got butthurt. i didnt like the fact of giving up drabek but after reading baseball america thoughts it sounds like a prettygood deal.
after giving up all those propsects and adding those 3, BA still has us w/ a top 10 farm system.
now we need a 4/5 starter (Moyer aint gonna do anything)
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That's all there is to it... Figgins is maybe a marginal upgrade offensively, but he's not nearly the defender Beltre is...
One thing they'll have going for them offensively... God damn they'll be FAST...
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Originally Posted by CP1708
I wonder if they gonna use Figgins in the leadoff spot and ask their hero to bat third and drive in runs.
I'd be impressed if Ichiro actually did it.
Just so we are clear.....are you saying you would be impressed if Ichiro COULD be a good 3 hitter and drive in runs or are you saying you would be impressed ifhe was WILLING to give up his leadoff spot and move to third?
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Thing is, a very small part of me puts faith in our skipper that we'll still be in the mix for the AL West crown.
I mean, when we won the WS, it was w/ a bunch of virtual nobodies. When they all left (Washburn, Erstad, Garret, Spiezio, Kennedy, Glaus, the Molinas, etc.), it's not like they left and tore it up on their new teams.
Sure, Jose Molina is awesome for the Evil Empire, and Eckstein went on to be a WS MVP (major props to him on that), but no one else really did anything. And Chone won't either.
Lackey will, but... d'ah well. You know?
We'll see what Scoscia and Moreno have in store, I guess.
I know i'm super late on this reply Ska, but I mean, maybe it hurts more cuz Figgins is on our division rival, we got rid of Vlad, signed Matsui (whom Ihate), and Lackey went to the HATED Red Sox.
Times are tough in Angel-land. But ey, at least the new Jumbotron in the Big A is finally complete, #%$% is beautiful to look at driving on the 57:/
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What does Harden have anything to do with anything I've said about Lee? The situations are entirely different anyways... If Harden is hurt(Bedard), the Rangers aren't out anything because they didn't give up Jones+Tillman to get him. If he pitches well and leaves for more money (Lee),they still didn't give up somebody with potentially significant long-term value to bring him in...
Zduriencik may not be done, but they're probably not gonna get Matt Holliday and they'd be stupid to give 5 or 6 years to Jason Bay... They don'thave much of anything left in that farm system other than Saunders and Ackley, so they're not bringing in some huge bat through trade either... What impactmove is left out there for them to make?
The M's may not be the Pirates, but they're not the Yankees or Red Sox either... They've spend most of this decade below $90M, they're notgetting much higher than that on a regular basis... Cliff Lee has already said he wants north of $20M per year or he's testing the open market... Theygonna pay Lee $20M per over 5 or 6 years then turn around give Felix that same kind of contract on top of the $17M they pay Ichiro and the $9M they payFiggins? We'll see...
If they don't re-sign him or make a run in the playoffs this year, that deal is a DUD... Period. Try and justify it to yourself all you want, butyou've been here just two years ago and had it turn sour...
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Cliff Lee and Bedard are completely different. Bedard had one good year and then we give up our future star CF and a great All-star setup man,among others. Z is not Bavasi. He knew what we had in those prospects. Two guys that won't amount to what Lee gives us. Aumont, as scouts have said, is atbest going to end up in the bullpen and we already had a solid bullpen and that doesn't even include Josh Fields who you happened to leave out. Then youtalk about getting a lot of deadwood off the books like Batista, Yuni, Beltre, Sexson, and Jokejima. There is still moves to be made, but I would expect you tohope that doesn't happen. After all, you know Guti will only get better and Jose Lopez hit very well last year for a butterball. Branyan isn't going tobe counted on to repeat his performance, I don't know who said he would.
In any case, I expect a lineup with Ichiro, Figgins, Gutierrez, Lopez, possibly Ackley at 2nd, and another player Z grabs to make much improvements over lastyear's offense. No more Yuni pop-ups, Beltre whiffing at outside breaking balls, etc.
Pitching and defense will win us ballgames, just watch and see.
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Heard the Sox called about Berkman. Wade and Drayton probably shoulda listened.
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I forgot about Josh Fields? The guy that got beat around somethin SERIOUS at AA last year?
That 'deadwood' coming off the books is what had the Mariners believing they were contenders with a payroll around $120M... They're not going tooperate that far above $100M year in and year out... They'll probably settle somewhere between $90-100M on an annual basis...
Gutierrez will be better, don't know how much, but he'll probably never be better than average offensively. And he's really the only guy on thatroster you can look at and really expect to improve in 2010... Jose Lopez?
And I'm not sitting here hoping they don't make moves... I'm just sitting here looking at things trying to figure out where exactly you think animpact move for that lineup is going to come from...
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The Orioles signed Garrett Atkins (one year, amount not disclosed) and Mike Gonzalez (two years, $12 million, potentially $16 million).
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Atkins... Yuck. I'd have been hard pressed to take a flier on him regardless of the money...
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Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk
I forgot about Josh Fields? The guy that got beat around somethin SERIOUS at AA last year?Oops, musta slipped my mind...
That 'deadwood' coming off the books is what had the Mariners believing they were contenders with a payroll around $120M... They're not going to operate that far above $100M year in and year out... They'll probably settle somewhere between $90-100M on an annual basis...
Gutierrez will be better, don't know how much, but he'll probably never be better than average offensively. And he's really the only guy on that roster you can look at and really expect to improve in 2010... Jose Lopez?He sucks. You know he sucks. And Dustin Ackley at 2nd? HUH?
And I'm not sitting here hoping they don't make moves... I'm just sitting here looking at things trying to figure out where exactly you think an impact move for that lineup is going to come from...
you say gutierrez will never be better than average offensively. again, he made huge strides last year and is still a young player. this sounds like nothingmore than division rival bias. if guti was a ranger you'd be gushing all over him improving on offense. especially with how much he was moved around in thelineup last year after injuries to key starters. but keep hoping.
there have been reports about ackley being tried at 2nd. who knows if it pans out.
there are moves to be made. the M's have been rumored to many many players. just do some simple research. i know damn well Z isn't done with justfiggins on offense.
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Jose Lopez rocks a .300 career on-base percentage and .715 OPS and he's not very good defensively... Maybe sucks is a tad strong, but he's not verygood...
Gutierrez was never some premier offensive talent even in the minor leagues... He's 27 and still doesn't hit for much power... Bill James and otherprediction systems have him predicted at pretty much the same level of output as last year and you expect him to make some gigantic leap to a level he'sNEVER played to at the age of 27? And I'm the one hoping...
Gutierrez was never some premier offensive talent even in the minor leagues... He's 27 and still doesn't hit for much power... Bill James and otherprediction systems have him predicted at pretty much the same level of output as last year and you expect him to make some gigantic leap to a level he'sNEVER played to at the age of 27? And I'm the one hoping...
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At this point anything Guti does offensively is a huge boost to the amount of runs he saves during games with his D. He was robbed of a gold glovelast season and I think he'll rack up a few before it's all said and done. His .283 average with 70 RBI can surely improve, especially if Figgins andIchiro are on base as much as they should be.Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk
Jose Lopez rocks a .300 career on-base percentage and .715 OPS and he's not very good defensively... Maybe sucks is a tad strong, but he's not very good...
Gutierrez was never some premier offensive talent even in the minor leagues... He's 27 and still doesn't hit for much power... Bill James and other prediction systems have him predicted at pretty much the same level of output as last year and you expect him to make some gigantic leap to a level he's NEVER played to at the age of 27? And I'm the one hoping...
Lopez needs to work on some things but hey as long as he's not at 2nd base anymore I'm fine. I'd rather they place Ackley there as the rumorcurrently floats... Lopez would be better elsewhere, possibly 1st or DH.
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Lopez at DH or 1B? He's even more terrible at either of those spots... At least his bat is manageable at 2nd... He's terrible as a firstbaseman or DH..
Unless they sign Bay or Holliday, I don't see anybody available that's going to make that offense much better next year...
Unless they sign Bay or Holliday, I don't see anybody available that's going to make that offense much better next year...
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I think CP meant Ichiro actually willing to do it. I love Ichiro and everything but I agree with CP, I'd be real surprised and impressed ifIchiro was willing to move out of that leadoff spot.Originally Posted by dland24
Originally Posted by CP1708
I wonder if they gonna use Figgins in the leadoff spot and ask their hero to bat third and drive in runs.
I'd be impressed if Ichiro actually did it.
Just so we are clear.....are you saying you would be impressed if Ichiro COULD be a good 3 hitter and drive in runs or are you saying you would be impressed if he was WILLING to give up his leadoff spot and move to third?
It'll definitely end all the speculation of him caring more about his numbers than winning.
Also, I always hear about how Ichiro could hit 30+ homeruns a season if he was asked to, well now would be the time to ask him.
His streak of 200 hit seasons is AWESOME, but unfortunately, the Mariners' streak of missing the post season is anything but that.
About Dustin Ackley, is he even ready? I'd rather have him develop into a Mark Tex instead of rushing him into being one.
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He played there some last season, his glove and range at 2nd are horrific. Butterball Lopez is best somewhere else.
Maybe the M's go after those guys, there are others out there though. That's what Jack Z is trying to get done according to what I'm reading.
Originally Posted by DsLee559
I think CP meant Ichiro actually willing to do it. I love Ichiro and everything but I agree with CP, I'd be real surprised and impressed if Ichiro was willing to move out of that leadoff spot.Originally Posted by dland24
Originally Posted by CP1708
I wonder if they gonna use Figgins in the leadoff spot and ask their hero to bat third and drive in runs.
I'd be impressed if Ichiro actually did it.
Just so we are clear.....are you saying you would be impressed if Ichiro COULD be a good 3 hitter and drive in runs or are you saying you would be impressed if he was WILLING to give up his leadoff spot and move to third?
It'll definitely end all the speculation of him caring more about his numbers than winning.
Also, I always hear about how Ichiro could hit 30+ homeruns a season if he was asked to, well now would be the time to ask him.
His streak of 200 hit seasons is AWESOME, but unfortunately, the Mariners' streak of missing the post season is anything but that.
About Dustin Ackley, is he even ready? I'd rather have him develop into a Mark Tex instead of rushing him into being one.
It is my belief that Ichiro is a "numbers" guy that only cares about his singles getting slapped. I don't think he's a franchise guy, or aguy that even cares about winning. Ever since the 116, his teams stay doing nothing but losing while he keeps going out there and bunting singles. Thisannoys me.
If he gave all that up, and moved to third in the lineup, and tried to drive in some runs, bring some runners home, and stopped with all the single slapping, Iwould be very impressed. M's fans will swear up and down til their last breath that Ichiro could hit home runs "if he wanted too"
So if he goes to third, gets 20 homers and his average goes down to .300, or .310, I would be MUCH more impressed with that, then him hitting .350 with a lotof singles and 100 losses or so. (which is his norm)
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Jack Z's shopping around Lopez right? And is Ackley Major-League-ready yet?
I think Ackley is coming up this season regardless. If Jack Z is going after Holliday or Bay he's playing 2nd fiddle to both right now, he needs to eithermake them offers they can't refuse, hope Bay settles for a slightly lesser deal or start getting those prospects together and try and get a bat. Idon't care what anyone says, Mariner fan or not, that team is not going to be that much better offensively than they were last year w/the roster they havenow. They need significant improvement to catch Texas in that division who have a deep lineup and a deep rotation. Don't get me wrong, I like the directionthey're going in. But they need to do more if they want to compete.
