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Apperently we are going to trade Micheal Taylor for Brett Wallace,

Kyle Drabek, Brett Wallace, and Travis D'aunard for Roy Halladay essentially.
 
JohnnyRedStorm wrote:
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Originally Posted by FIRST B0RN

JohnnyRedStorm wrote:
I don't get why the Phillies just didn't keep Lee. They would have won the World Series next year.
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I wondered the same exact thing. Also, I think Holliday turns down the Cards offer.
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He'd be crazy to do that.
Seriously, no other team is going to give him an 8 year deal. He must really be hoping Bay signs with Anaheim or Seattle and the Mets have no choice but to overpay.




Apparently the Cards are standing on 5 years instead of 8. I think Boras believes Holliday deserves Tex money
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The Phillies probably got more in return for Lee than they gave up...
 
I'm not a big Matt Holliday fan...don't really think he should get Tex money...14-15 maybe. I think that contract is perfect for him to go to an NLteam.
 
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First Born, you dont think holliday deserves Tex money?? i do..
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I really can't sit here and say who I think deserves what type of money. Bottom line is the Cards are cheap and I would be shocked if Mattdoes sign with them.
 
yo does couod anyone post the lee halladay keith law insider analysis I would post the linke but I'm on the itouch no copy and past
 
First Born, you dont think holliday deserves Tex money?? i do..
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we saw Tex hit in both leagues. We have seen that holliday cant hang with the big boys in the AL. does not deserve tex money
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Who do the White Sox think they are? The Yankees?

They've added in the past 12 months... Jake Peavy, Juan Pierre, Andruw Jones, Alex Rios, Mark Teahen, and JJ Putz... What at bunch of jerks.
[h1]White Sox acquire OF Juan Pierre from Dodgers[/h1]
By ANDREW SELIGMAN, AP Sports Writer 21 minutes ago

CHICAGO (AP)-The Chicago White Sox got the leadoff man and left fielder they needed. Juan Pierre(notes) got the chance to be an everyday player again.

The White Sox acquired Pierre and $10.5 million from the Los Angeles Dodgers on Tuesday for two players to be named.

"They already have a good team in place," Pierre said on a conference call. "They've been accustomed to winning over the last four or five years. I'm looking forward to getting out there on the field on a regular basis."

The 32-year-old Pierre hit .308 with 30 stolen bases, 57 runs and a .365 on-base percentage in 145 games with the Dodgers last year, getting steady playing time when Manny Ramirez(notes) was suspended 50 games for violating baseball's drug policy.

Once Ramirez returned, Pierre became a reserve again.

"Juan always put the Dodgers first, even when it wasn't in his personal best interest," Los Angeles general manager Ned Colletti said. "In this day, that is a rare attribute. When he and I spoke at the end of the season, we agreed that if an opportunity presented itself in which his chance to play would be enhanced, we would pursue it and that's what we've done. He deserved the chance to play more."

Los Angeles is sending Chicago $7 million in 2010 and $3.5 million in 2011 to cover the majority of what remains on Pierre's $44 million, five-year contract. He is due $10 million next season and $8.5 million in 2011.

"It was a tough situation for me, the coaching staff and the whole organization," Pierre said. "Everybody knew how much I loved to play and wanted to play, and I felt like I could help the team. But they went in another direction because the young kids can play and Manny's probably one of the top five hitters ever."

Pierre was on the 2003 Florida Marlins team that won the World Series. White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen was the third base coach on that club.

Pierre gives the White Sox a speedy left fielder and leadoff hitter. Scott Podsednik(notes), who filled the leadoff role much of last season, is a free agent.

"Juan is certainly someone that fits the bill," general manager Ken Williams said. "Love the guy's work ethic. Love his intensity. He adds a lot to a club, other than just what he does on the field. But what he does on the field is pretty special."

Pierre is a .301 career hitter with 459 stolen bases, most among active players, and 804 runs scored in 1,433 games with Colorado (2000-02), Florida (2003-05), the Chicago Cubs (2006) and Dodgers (2007-09).

During his three seasons with Los Angeles, Pierre batted .294 with a .339 on-base percentage and 134 stolen bases in 173 attempts.

The White Sox have had a busy offseason. Earlier, they traded for third baseman Mark Teahen(notes), signed reliever J.J. Putz(notes), shortstop Omar Vizquel(notes) and outfielder Andruw Jones(notes), and re-signed utility man Mark Kotsay(notes).

"I think it's going to be fun," Guillen said. "You're going to see a lot of different things, a different ballclub. I was looking for the challenge. I was looking to see how good I can be."
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Some details on the Pierre deal


Buster Olney of Espn reports the Dodgers will pay $7 million (of the $10 million) to Pierre in 2010, and $3.5 million (of the $8.5 million)in 2011.

I will take that on a team with NO potiental Leadoff guys.

Pierre is not gone really help the team, hes gone put Rios in right field Imo, Unless Quentin goes there.

I hope he can be at least as good as 2008... which aint expecting much. If he and Andrew Jones work in a platoon Its Curtains for the Central.

1.Pierre LF
2.Beckham 2B
3.Rios CF
4.Quentin RF
5.Konerko 1B
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7.Ramirez SS
8.Pierzynski C
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Its gone be a platoon at 3rd. Vizquel, Teahen , and at DH Konerko is gone play some days there and Andrew might play first, or Kotsay might play first.

They got a lot of Bench versatility.

Nix can play SS 2B or OF with decent pop and the rest of those guys not starting all play 3 positions

If Peavy can stay healthy, Danks and Floyd can get back to 2008 form or better, Buehrle can be consistant all season
The Pen stays solid This team can win 90 games.
 
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

yo does couod anyone post the lee halladay keith law insider analysis I would post the linke but I'm on the itouch no copy and past
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The deal: Mariners win, Jays win, Phillies lose

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Assuming that this series of three trades as currently reported stands, here's how I'd break down the exchanges for each of the four teams involved:

The Toronto Blue Jays They landed three top-100 prospects for one year of Roy Halladay and $6 million (a sunk cost), which is more impact talent than Cleveland and Philadelphia received in total in the two Cliff Lee deals. Kyle Drabek is a potential No. 2 starter with good velocity and a potential out-pitch curveball; his changeup is still fringy and he needs to show he can command his fastball to his arm side and either work lower in the zone with it or complement it with a two-seamer or cutter. Toronto doesn't have anything like Drabek in its system now, as former GM J.P. Ricciardi was opposed to taking high school pitchers in the draft; the Blue Jays' focus on polished college arms has only produced one pitcher (Shaun Marcum, a college reliever) who might be a No. 2 starter in the big leagues. Travis d'Arnaud is a still unpolished but moderate-to-high-upside catching prospect who finished very strongly after a rough start at Class A Lakewood in 2009. He has a good idea of the strike zone with bat control and a short path to the ball; he's athletic for a catcher and has arm strength but still needs work on his feet and his throwing mechanics.

The Jays also acquire outfielder Michael Taylor in the deal, but are sending him to Oakland for third baseman Brett Wallace; I'd rather have Wallace than Taylor, although the reactions of people within the industry with whom I've spoken have been mixed on the side deal. Wallace is a hitter -- one of the best pure bats in the minors -- and would have been a top-10 pick in the 2008 draft if he had a clear position and didn't have an unusual body type; while he's not fat, he's often labeled as such or as a "bad-bodied" guy because his thighs are enormous and he doesn't have any lateral quickness. But he hits -- with great plate discipline and an unusual ability to hit left-handed pitching -- and if Toronto wants him to come north with the club in April he's ready to do so as a hitter. He's probably going to end up at first base, although he has played third and the Jays do have one of the best infield coaches in the game in Brian Butterfield; a lineup with Adam Lind, Travis Snider and Wallace will get a lot of production from young, inexpensive hitters in the middle of its order.

Taylor is a monster who remade his swing in pro ball and has shown a good approach at the plate and very good bat control; the main question on Taylor is whether his new swing is going to generate the power his frame implies, as it's flat and more geared to line drives than big flies. The trade still makes sense for Oakland, however, since they already have a logjam of first base/DH types with Chris Carter, Daric Barton and Jake Fox -- but don't have impact bats for corner outfield spots. It's a smart reallocation of resources, and Taylor and Wallace are close enough that the A's could easily have ended up with the better player.

The Seattle Mariners They made the biggest gain in this series of transactions by landing Cliff Lee. They're giving up two of their top pitching prospects in Phillippe Aumont and Juan Ramirez, but there's a good chance both end up in the bullpen; Aumont is already there after hip problems and some makeup questions (he broke his non-throwing hand by punching a locker in August).

He gets great life on a low-to-mid-90s fastball and should get plenty of ground balls as he learns to command the pitch better; unlike a lot of low-slot right-handers, he hasn't shown a pronounced platoon split against left-handed hitters. Ramirez has electric stuff but hasn't missed a lot of bats in full-season ball and his ultra-skinny build has raised long-term durability questions -- although, unlike Aumont, he continues to start and should remain there until he proves he can't handle it. Tyson Gillies is among the fastest men in baseball and has a decent approach at the plate, but guys with below-average power often find their ability to work the count compromised by higher-level pitchers who realize they can challenge those hitters in the zone with some impunity, and unless he becomes a plus-plus defender in the outfield he's going to end up a fourth outfielder.

So, it's a large price to pay for one year of Lee because they're giving up so many years of control of three almost-certain big leaguers -- but trading second-tier prospects for one impact big leaguer is nearly always a good value because of the benefit of having so much major-league value occupying just one roster spot. Seattle sees an opportunity for 2010 with the Angels losing John Lackey and Chone Figgins, and while the losses do deplete Seattle's system, the Mariners are not barren (they still have Dustin Ackley and Alex Liddi) and making a legitimate run at a division title is a pretty good reason to empty out your farm.

The Philadelphia Phillies They swap one ace for a very slightly better ace in Roy Halladay, whose value over Lee may be as much in his stronger track record as in pitching ability. The price they pay for this small improvement is a major dent in their farm system, trading a superior package of prospects to Toronto for the three players they landed from Seattle in the exchange for Lee. I'm not sure why the Phillies -- who were the favorites to win the NL East in 2010 before this move -- were motivated to make the trade; yes, they can sign Halladay to an extension and couldn't sign Lee, but that's independent of the deals used to obtain one pitcher and trade the other. They might be half a win better in 2010, a whole win at most, but deleted a lot of value from what was a solid farm system before they made the moves.
 
Juan Pierre the 2010 Chicago White Sox token crappy speedster

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Also, anyone wanna start guessing how many complete games the Doc is gonna throw in the NL?
 
yeah we're not gonna be anybetter if we get hollywood hamels next year. then we're gonna have Moyer as the 5 starter
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the official pc is tomorrow.
 
Originally Posted by Stringer Bell 32

Juan Pierre the 2010 Chicago White Sox token crappy speedster

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Also, anyone wanna start guessing how many complete games the Doc is gonna throw in the NL?
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I'm going to say around 15 with at least 10 games with 10 or more strikeouts.
 
Phillies are crazy to trade Lee away.

I dont care about the financial aspects or "replenishing" their prospects.

Your getting two minor league kids for Lee,
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Pay Lee this years salary and whatever happens next season, it doesnt matter.

Because if everybody stays healthy for the majority of this season... nobody in the NL is touching the Phillies.
 
Hicks selected Chuck Greenburg and Nolan Ryan's bid... They'll open the exclusive negotiations window in the near future and hopefully wrap this thingup soon...

Hicks would maintain a minority interest in the team, but Nolan has said Hicks will have no say in baseball decisions...
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Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by Stringer Bell 32

Juan Pierre the 2010 Chicago White Sox token crappy speedster

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Also, anyone wanna start guessing how many complete games the Doc is gonna throw in the NL?
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I'm going to say around 15 with at least 10 games with 10 or more strikeouts.
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Well then I am going to say you would be wrong.
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glad to see the mariner's making waves this offseason. wish they did it in previous years.
 
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