The Official 2020 NFL Offseason Thread - The Cleveland Steamer

[g-time]

They’re whole unit in Seattle had a nickname. They, including him, most definitely stood out. That’s like saying all the guys of the “Steel Curtain” Steelers or the “Crunch Bunch” giants LBers just blended in.

 

[finessence]

Those units were great but Mean Joe Greene and Lawrence Taylor stood out. Despite the collective.

 

[finessence]

I’m taking Aqib Talib over Sherman. Period. Talib and Revis probably the best of the late 2000s and definitely 2010s. Sherman and Pat Peterson gone be DBs of the decade too. Pat Pete overrated to a degree too. But I love Talib.

 

[stanfan]

Meh Sherman > Talib and not sure it's all that close TBH.

 

[stanfan]

I did agree but I’m saying he had great teammates everywhere. He blended in very well amongst them all. He didn’t necessarily “stand out”

you're right, a 5X all pro player with the most interceptions in the decade.. didn't stand out...

 

[nick.]

Can you run man to man & trust Sherman with half the field?

 

[Deleted member 37754]

Meh Sherman > Talib and not sure it's all that close TBH.

These are things I guess I just don’t understand. Without the concept and context it’s hard to make that specific comparison. Both are good to great in their field, but switch defensive concepts would either be successful?

These are two completely different corners. One is a man cover and the other is a zone cover 3 corner. Entirely different concepts, play calling and expertise.

If anything Sherman > Zone Cover 3 corner X (or visa versa).

 

[macbk]

Can you run man to man & trust Sherman with half the field?

Nowadays, no.

 

[NickFolarin]

 

[Deleted member 37754]

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Gase is toast after this season lol

 

[macbk]

Water is also wet. Gase is legit going to go down as the worst hire in franchise history.

There's no doubt in my mind that I think Gase is an issue in that locker room, but could it be that Jamal is pivoting to his displeasures with the team and throwing it on Gase, all to save face with the fan base? He seems like a super sensitive dude (clearly) so hey, might as well throw my coach under the bus if I'm gonna want out anyway.

 

[IATT]

Name 10 corners better than Sherman right now.

Sherm was really good last year.. but given age and without consideration of scheme (and price)

Would be hard for me to pass on: Gilmore, white, Humphrey, ramsey, jaire, byron Jones, slay, pat pete, ward, lattimore

then you got like Casey Hayward, Xavier Howard and Steven Nelson

 

[finessence]

Can you run man to man & trust Sherman with half the field?

no suh’. You cannot

 

[finessence]

These are things I guess I just don’t understand. Without the concept and context it’s hard to make that specific comparison. Both are good to great in their field, but switch defensive concepts would either be successful?

These are two completely different corners. One is a man cover and the other is a zone cover 3 corner. Entirely different concepts, play calling and expertise.

If anything Sherman > Zone Cover 3 corner X (or visa versa).

I respect man to man coverage over zone and boundary corners... that’s just my opinion.

 

[NickFolarin]

Looking at past posts about Richard Sherman is super funny.

The turn is REAL!

 

[langfor5]

From a technical point and understanding how hard it is, yes man to man coverage is 10x harder than cover 3 so if you are a corner that plays primarily man to man and you travel to cover a teams best WR game after game you get my ultimate respect. I'm not saying cover 3 is easy because I have seen really bad cover 3 corners but you basically just can't get beat deep. Now if we want to get really technical a slot corner playing man to man gets my ultimate respect but I digress.

Again, Sherman has been a hell of a player that played on some really good teams and most importantly played with defensive coordinators who knew his strengths and weaknesses. Hell, him coming back from an Achilles pop and still playing at an All Pro level is commendable in itself.

I still wonder why late in the 4th quarter of the SB Saleh decided that was the time to isolate Sherman man to man on Sammy.

 

[NickFolarin]

IATT Did you listen to the Bo-Will Cain conversation yesterday?

 

[IATT]

IATT Did you listen to the Bo-Will Cain conversation yesterday?

Yea I heard it.. dude clearly getting ready for his Fox News gig

 

[IATT]

swap out peter for jaire and I could get down with this.. I wouldn’t put it in this order, but still

 

[finessence]

Jaire routinely gets beat too. Janoris Jenkins belongs in there

 

[finessence]

Watch them tapes of Jaire and Xavier against Amari Cooper

 

[finessence]

Howard top 10 though

 

[Clyde Frog]

Jaire routinely gets beat too. Janoris Jenkins belongs in there

Routinely, no he doesn't. He's does make mistakes though and at 22 year old is still developing. Not quite elite but should get there this year or the following.

 

[stanfan]

I still don't get the love for Pat P....Sherman came into the league same year and has exceeded any numbers Pat has put up.