the Official Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao thread March 13 2010

[kingtre]

A friend of a friend who works at MGM LV said the fight will be held there. All hearsay though.

yea - read an article/blog somewhere saying MGM is putting the pressure on them...they carry alot of the smaller fights for the promo comp to make surethey get the big fights - jerry jones' # will be bigger but its all the other stuff that will impact the decision

I dont know why most of you dudes are arguing about the venue...coz me, you and the other X,XXX NTers will be watching it on a TV/big screen somewhere...It doesnt affect anything.

im not arguing but am anticipating the announcement - ifits in vegas i plan on at least going to vegas...getting actual tix will be hard as pointed out in that post above but i'm gonna try - and at the startMiami was in the mix and i DEF woulda been down there-

 

[scott frost]

Floyd will only fight in Vegas, really not much too it.

 

[kingtre]

Originally Posted by Scott Frost

Floyd will only fight in Vegas, really not much too it.

floyd is about his paper - and if that was the case there wouldnt be any talks, negotiations, bids etc- it woulda been announced when the fightwas announced

 

[marionthebarberian]

Originally Posted by Scott Frost

Floyd will only fight in Vegas, really not much too it.

Money May will fight anywhere as long as the money is straight.

 

[drew]

Originally Posted by marionthebarberian

Originally Posted by Scott Frost

Floyd will only fight in Vegas, really not much too it.

Money May will fight anywhere as long as the money is straight.

http://manny-pacquiao-vs-...raising-problem-day.html

"Junior's camp raised issues about the venue and clouded it. Richard Schaefer stood up Jerry Jones, the billionaire owner of the Dallas CowboysFootball Team who wanted to host the fight at his new stadium at the State of Texas. Then Junior stated that hewould not fight in Dallas or Los Angeles no matter how much money there would be."

 

[bigmike23]

Arum wants the fight in dallas because its going to bring HIM more money

PBF and Manny both would like the fight in vegas.

as you can tell arum has been the only one pushing for the fight to happen in Dallas

 

[stringer bell 32]

What? Arum trying to pull something that is solely in his personal interest?

Thats unheard of

 

[bigmike23]

almost had a heart attack myself been in such shock

 

[scott frost]

I guess the only way I can see this happening outside of Vegas is if Mayweather gets a larger % of the split, gate, PPV, etc. and aint no way in hell that ishappening.

Schaeffer, whether you believe it or not, has stated numerous times that he works for Floyd and there is a reason he no showed in Dallas.

 

[bigmike23]

Originally Posted by Scott Frost

I guess the only way I can see this happening outside of Vegas is if Mayweather gets a larger % of the split, gate, PPV, etc. and aint no way in hell that is happening.

Schaeffer, whether you believe it or not, has stated numerous times that he works for Floyd and there is a reason he no showed in Dallas.

schaeffer is always a bussiness man and knows you just dont blow someone off

if it means something arum and someone else from mannys camp said they didn't think it was floyd but it was Golden Boy as company that didn't want thefight in vegas

 

[drew]

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

Arum wants the fight in dallas because its going to bring HIM more money

PBF and Manny both would like the fight in vegas.

as you can tell arum has been the only one pushing for the fight to happen in Dallas

PBF wants it only in Vegas. Pac didn't give a rat's %++ where it would be

 

[bigmike23]

Koncz called us at 5:00 a.m. to tell us "Manny is not interested in fighting in LA. I'm going to advocate against it also for the simple reason that its going to cost Manny an additional $3-$5 million in taxes to fight in LA. I mentioned to Manny that it looks like Staples Center and he said 'I don't want to fight in LA. I prefer Vegas and I didn't even tell him about the taxes."

Koncz said he would "give Bob Arum the courtesy of a call and if its true its Schaefer messing around then I'll probably give Al Haymon a call and make sure he's on the same page as us. I believe he is because I know Floyd doesn't want to pay the IRS (Internal Revenue Service) any more than he has to and then its time for us to put our foot down. The promoters work for the fighters, the fighters don't work for the promoters."

Michael Koncz, Pacquiao's adviser, told Fan House that Pacquiao-Mayweather will more than likely end up at the MGM Grand.

"I believe that it will end up at the MGM because both fighters want to fight in Las Vegas," said Koncz. "I think that both fighters have expressed their desire to fight in Las Vegas."

 

[drew]

my mistake

 

[sloane kettering]

I can care less really where they have, lets jus pick a place and [Mills Lane] Let's Get It On [Mills Lane]

 

[bigmike23]

According to the Grand Rapids Press , the hometown paper of Floyd Mayweather Jr, the mega-fight with Manny Pacquiao will take place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. For several weeks, the MGM Grand and Texas' Cowboys Stadium were fighting against each other with huge multi-million dollar bids to host the event.

A source close to the negotiations told the paper that Mayweather-Pacquiao will head to the MGM Grand. The paper notes the deal is expected to be finalized with an official announcement in the next few days. A press conference is scheduled for the first week of January in New York City.

 

[tsamshox]

Time to book a hotel for the 12-14th....Vegas oh wee

 

[flashout01]

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ARUM: MAYWEATHER CAN GO TO HELL, THE FIGHT IS OFF AS OF NOW

By Ronnie Nathanielsz
PhilBoxing.com
Wed, 23 Dec 2009

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, livid over the unconscionable demands of Floyd Mayweather Jr for pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao to undergo random blood tests as well as urine tests conducted by the US Anti Doping Agency before their planned March 13 fight told us late Wednesday morning, "is off as of now."

Arum made it clear that Pacquiao who has a phobia for needles and extracting too much blood which weakens him said he would gladly agree to have a blood test before the initial press conference and after the fight, plus urinalysis anytime he wants. What more? asked Arum.

Arum said "doctors will tell you that blood-testing is not even sure anymore and urinalysis is the state-of-the-art testing for drugs. But they don't want the fight which is what I suspected from the beginning or they want to torture Pacquiao to throw him off his game."

The astute promoter said he told them "absolutely not. That's where we stand and we are prepared to walk away. I'm not going to bully this kid and Freddie (Roach) is adamant about that point."

Arum said "they can go to hell as far as I'm concerned including (Richard) Schaefer although I don't think it's his idea, I think its Floyd's idea and we are going to go on and do something else. This is an absolute outrage."

He said the Nevada State Athletic Commission under its highly respected executive director Keith Kizer is "beside themselves" over the Mayweather demands and said "their drug testing is the best in the world and it's an insult to them."

Arum questioned the motives and asked "who is this ignorant, illiterate kid demanding this. Who is he? This has never ever happened in professional boxing."

Pacquiao, in a statement issued by his adviser Michael Koncz said he had always wanted athletes to serve as role models in every sport and to keep sports free from drugs and that he was willing to undergo tests as he has always done in the past and come clean. Koncz said "we wanted to do the fight because that's what the people wanted but obviously Mayweather is scared and looked for a way out."

In an email to www.insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer said "Olympic style drug testing is not one blood test 30 days before the fight and one after the fight. It is random drug testing which would include somewhere between 3-5 blood tests and 8-12 urine tests taken during the period January 1 to March 15. Blood tests by the way are taken in a non-intrusive manner and are less than one tablespoon."

Arum mentioned several issues that arose during the negotiations day after day. He pointed out that Mayweather "had no intention of coming in at 147" which is the welterweight limit and then said he didn't want to fight for the WBO title and we said okay, if you come an ounce over 147 you are going to pay us $10 million. Then this all started."

Pacquiao's conditioning expert Alex Ariza responded to the Mayweather camps demand that the blood testing go all the way up to the weighin saying it was "ludicrous" pointing out that "there is nothing that they are going to find 24 hours before the fight that they cannot find five minutes after the fight. We are not refusing to give blood, we are not willing to give it that close to the fight."

Ariza said he is convinced that Mayweather is "just posturing and the reality of the situation is Mayweather is looking for a reason to get out of this fight because Manny is going to give him the beating of a lifetime. He will sustain a beating that he never ever endured in his whole career in boxing. What he feels in his own small mind is that his legacy will go down being beaten by Manny Pacquiao."


where you at Duckweather?

 

[nermindee]

Originally Posted by Flashout01

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ARUM: MAYWEATHER CAN GO TO HELL, THE FIGHT IS OFF AS OF NOW

By Ronnie Nathanielsz
PhilBoxing.com
Wed, 23 Dec 2009

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, livid over the unconscionable demands of Floyd Mayweather Jr for pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao to undergo random blood tests as well as urine tests conducted by the US Anti Doping Agency before their planned March 13 fight told us late Wednesday morning, "is off as of now."

Arum made it clear that Pacquiao who has a phobia for needles and extracting too much blood which weakens him said he would gladly agree to have a blood test before the initial press conference and after the fight, plus urinalysis anytime he wants. What more? asked Arum.

Arum said "doctors will tell you that blood-testing is not even sure anymore and urinalysis is the state-of-the-art testing for drugs. But they don't want the fight which is what I suspected from the beginning or they want to torture Pacquiao to throw him off his game."

The astute promoter said he told them "absolutely not. That's where we stand and we are prepared to walk away. I'm not going to bully this kid and Freddie (Roach) is adamant about that point."

Arum said "they can go to hell as far as I'm concerned including (Richard) Schaefer although I don't think it's his idea, I think its Floyd's idea and we are going to go on and do something else. This is an absolute outrage."

He said the Nevada State Athletic Commission under its highly respected executive director Keith Kizer is "beside themselves" over the Mayweather demands and said "their drug testing is the best in the world and it's an insult to them."

Arum questioned the motives and asked "who is this ignorant, illiterate kid demanding this. Who is he? This has never ever happened in professional boxing."

Pacquiao, in a statement issued by his adviser Michael Koncz said he had always wanted athletes to serve as role models in every sport and to keep sports free from drugs and that he was willing to undergo tests as he has always done in the past and come clean. Koncz said "we wanted to do the fight because that's what the people wanted but obviously Mayweather is scared and looked for a way out."

In an email to www.insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer said "Olympic style drug testing is not one blood test 30 days before the fight and one after the fight. It is random drug testing which would include somewhere between 3-5 blood tests and 8-12 urine tests taken during the period January 1 to March 15. Blood tests by the way are taken in a non-intrusive manner and are less than one tablespoon."

Arum mentioned several issues that arose during the negotiations day after day. He pointed out that Mayweather "had no intention of coming in at 147" which is the welterweight limit and then said he didn't want to fight for the WBO title and we said okay, if you come an ounce over 147 you are going to pay us $10 million. Then this all started."

Pacquiao's conditioning expert Alex Ariza responded to the Mayweather camps demand that the blood testing go all the way up to the weighin saying it was "ludicrous" pointing out that "there is nothing that they are going to find 24 hours before the fight that they cannot find five minutes after the fight. We are not refusing to give blood, we are not willing to give it that close to the fight."

Ariza said he is convinced that Mayweather is "just posturing and the reality of the situation is Mayweather is looking for a reason to get out of this fight because Manny is going to give him the beating of a lifetime. He will sustain a beating that he never ever endured in his whole career in boxing. What he feels in his own small mind is that his legacy will go down being beaten by Manny Pacquiao."

where you at Duckweather?

he is in house in vegas filled with regret that he called out manny hahaha. Bob was right about him, so hard to deal with.

 

[southzeztpdot]

Originally Posted by Nermindee

Originally Posted by Flashout01

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ARUM: MAYWEATHER CAN GO TO HELL, THE FIGHT IS OFF AS OF NOW

By Ronnie Nathanielsz
PhilBoxing.com
Wed, 23 Dec 2009

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, livid over the unconscionable demands of Floyd Mayweather Jr for pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao to undergo random blood tests as well as urine tests conducted by the US Anti Doping Agency before their planned March 13 fight told us late Wednesday morning, "is off as of now."

Arum made it clear that Pacquiao who has a phobia for needles and extracting too much blood which weakens him said he would gladly agree to have a blood test before the initial press conference and after the fight, plus urinalysis anytime he wants. What more? asked Arum.

Arum said "doctors will tell you that blood-testing is not even sure anymore and urinalysis is the state-of-the-art testing for drugs. But they don't want the fight which is what I suspected from the beginning or they want to torture Pacquiao to throw him off his game."

The astute promoter said he told them "absolutely not. That's where we stand and we are prepared to walk away. I'm not going to bully this kid and Freddie (Roach) is adamant about that point."

Arum said "they can go to hell as far as I'm concerned including (Richard) Schaefer although I don't think it's his idea, I think its Floyd's idea and we are going to go on and do something else. This is an absolute outrage."

He said the Nevada State Athletic Commission under its highly respected executive director Keith Kizer is "beside themselves" over the Mayweather demands and said "their drug testing is the best in the world and it's an insult to them."

Arum questioned the motives and asked "who is this ignorant, illiterate kid demanding this. Who is he? This has never ever happened in professional boxing."

Pacquiao, in a statement issued by his adviser Michael Koncz said he had always wanted athletes to serve as role models in every sport and to keep sports free from drugs and that he was willing to undergo tests as he has always done in the past and come clean. Koncz said "we wanted to do the fight because that's what the people wanted but obviously Mayweather is scared and looked for a way out."

In an email to www.insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer said "Olympic style drug testing is not one blood test 30 days before the fight and one after the fight. It is random drug testing which would include somewhere between 3-5 blood tests and 8-12 urine tests taken during the period January 1 to March 15. Blood tests by the way are taken in a non-intrusive manner and are less than one tablespoon."

Arum mentioned several issues that arose during the negotiations day after day. He pointed out that Mayweather "had no intention of coming in at 147" which is the welterweight limit and then said he didn't want to fight for the WBO title and we said okay, if you come an ounce over 147 you are going to pay us $10 million. Then this all started."

Pacquiao's conditioning expert Alex Ariza responded to the Mayweather camps demand that the blood testing go all the way up to the weighin saying it was "ludicrous" pointing out that "there is nothing that they are going to find 24 hours before the fight that they cannot find five minutes after the fight. We are not refusing to give blood, we are not willing to give it that close to the fight."

Ariza said he is convinced that Mayweather is "just posturing and the reality of the situation is Mayweather is looking for a reason to get out of this fight because Manny is going to give him the beating of a lifetime. He will sustain a beating that he never ever endured in his whole career in boxing. What he feels in his own small mind is that his legacy will go down being beaten by Manny Pacquiao."

where you at Duckweather?

he is in house in vegas filled with regret that he called out manny hahaha. Bob was right about him, so hard to deal with.



Regret? He has more money, is a better fighter, more impressive record, and isnt being exposed by his training methods.

 

[BANLEU]

[h1]Megafight talks take another strange twist[/h1]
Nathanielsz, whose newspaper has not reported the alleged conversation, declined via email to comment.

Talks to finalize the bout between the two best pound-for-pound fighters in the world hit a snag on Tuesday when Mayweather issued a statement demanding "Olympic-style drug testing" administered by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Top Rank, on behalf of Pacquiao, declined and the sides have exchanged bitter words since.

On Friday, Arum said he spoke on the telephone late Thursday with Winchell Campos, a Pacquiao publicist. Arum said Campos told him Pacquiao planned to file a lawsuit against Mayweather, Mayweather Sr., Golden Boy Promotions and Schaefer for allegations Pacquiao says they made without evidence that he is on performance-enhancing drugs.

Arum said he tried to talk Campos out of issuing a statement from Pacquiao announcing plans for the suit. But Arum said Campos then put Pacquiao on the telephone and that Pacquiao was as angry as he has ever heard him.

"Manny is usually this mild-mannered guy, but he was unbelievably angry," Arum said. "I never heard him like that. He told me to make it stop. This was a different Manny than I'd ever heard. When I hung up, I said, 'What the hell was that about?' "

When he spoke to Nathanielsz by telephone 30 minutes later, Arum said Nathanielsz recounted a meeting in Schaefer's downtown Los Angeles office in the buildup to the Sept. 19 fight in Las Vegas between Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez in which he alleged that Schaefer told him Pacquiao was using performance-enhancing drugs.

Arum, who flew to Mexico on Friday for a week-long vacation, said Nathanielsz's comments clarified things for him. He said he had been puzzled by Mayweather Sr.'s public allegations against Pacquiao, but said they began to make sense after speaking with Nathanielsz.

"Ronnie said he came over early for the [Mayweather-Marquez] fight and he met with Schaefer," Arum said. "He said they met for a half hour and that Schaefer went on and on and on that Manny is a cheater and that Manny uses steroids and that Manny was on performance-enhancing drugs.

"Ronnie asked him, 'Why would you take this attitude with this young man?' Ronnie told me he thinks Schaefer is pissed off that Manny chose us over Golden Boy, though Schaefer is happy to take the money."

Pacquiao signed promotional contracts with both Golden Boy and Top Rank in 2006. Golden Boy president Oscar De La Hoya met Pacquiao at Los Angeles International Airport and gave him a suitcase filled with $250,000 in cash, which Pacquiao later was forced to return, as an inducement to sign.

Lawsuits were filed and the matter was eventually settled in arbitration by retired judge Daniel Weinstein. Weinstein ruled Pacquiao would be promoted by Top Rank, but that Golden Boy is entitled to a percentage of profits in perpetuity from all Pacquiao fights as long as Top Rank had Pacquiao under contract.

Arum said he has asked his attorneys to have the arbitration reopened and have Golden Boy eliminated since Schaefer's actions were not in the fighter's best interests.

Schaefer said Nathanielsz has had a good relationship with Golden Boy, particularly with its matchmaker, Eric Gomez. Schaefer admitted he hosted Nathanielsz in his office, but denied he made any accusations about Pacquiao and performance-enhancing drugs.

"I would never accuse anybody of anything and those who know me know that's just not the way I am," Schaefer said Friday. "I would never go and allege anybody is doing anything, so that is absolutely not true that I would have said to anybody that Manny is cheating. I didn't.

"We have a pretty good relationship with Ronnie. I think Eric does. He came to see our offices, but there was no accusation of cheating. And in this process, over the last few days or weeks, not once did you hear me say, to you or to anyone else, that I am accusing Manny of taking anything or doing anything illegal."

Schaefer also questioned why, if Nathanielsz had such information, that he had not reported it.

Mayweather Sr. began inferring that he suspected Pacquiao was on steroids or some other performance-enhancing substance in September, not long after Nathanielsz visited the Golden Boy offices.

After Pacquiao's victory over Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14 in Las Vegas, Mayweather Sr. suggested to Yahoo! Sports reporter Martin Rogers that Pacquiao's improvements were not natural.

"You know there is something going on with him," Mayweather Sr. told Rogers. "If I was Floyd I wouldn't fight him because of that. It just don't add up. Take a look at them old pictures, man. That's a different dude. And he got knocked out when he was 30 pounds lighter, but now he can stand there and take Cotto's best shots? Come on."

Arum reiterated Friday that Pacquiao is clean and said the fight can be salvaged if Mayweather backs off his insistence that testing be administered by USADA. USADA's procedures demand random testing up to and including the day of competition.

Pacquiao has an aversion to giving blood close to an event, both Arum and his adviser, Michael Koncz, have said, believing it weakens him. Arum said Pacquiao would submit to testing if it were done under the auspices of the Nevada Athletic Commission.

"They're corrupted in this thing; they're complicit," Arum said of USADA. "Both sides here know the people involved in the Nevada Athletic Commission. It can handle the testing and we can work out a protocol that will prove Manny is not on anything and that won't interfere with the fight."

Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions and the fighter's closest friend, refused to say Friday whether his side would accept testing done by any group other than USADA, as it has demanded.

Ellerbe said he and Mayweather adviser Al Haymon came up with the idea to require the testing, not Mayweather Jr., as a way to protect their fighter.

"We're waiting to see if Manny Pacquiao is going to do the Olympic-style drug testing," Ellerbe said. "The bottom line is that neither Top Rank, nor Manny's camp, nor Mayweather Promotions or Golden Boy Promotions are going to dictate how the blood and urine testing is conducted.

"I understand this could be the biggest fight in the history of the sport, but all money ain't good money. You can't put a price tag on anything when it comes to a man's livelihood. The fighters are the only ones stepping up, putting their lives on the line. It's the fighters who are putting their lives on the line, not me, not Top Rank, not Golden Boy, not Al Haymon. Our responsibility here is to protect the interests of our guy and that's what we're doing."

In his statement in which he threatened to sue, Pacquiao denies taking steroids and said he didn't sue Mayweather Sr. earlier because he didn't want to create distractions during his preparations for Cotto.

"I maintain and assure everyone that I have not used any form or kind of steroids and that my way to the top is a result of hard work, hard work, hard work and a lot of blood spilled from my past battles in the ring, not outside of it," Pacquiao said in his statement. "I have no idea what steroids look like and my fear in God has kept me safe and victorious through all these years.

"Now, I say to Floyd Mayweather Jr., don't be a coward and face me in the ring, mano-a-mano and shut your big, pretty mouth, so we can show the world who is the true king of the ring."

Arum said he plans to continue parallel negotiations with Lou DiBella, who promotes Paulie Malignaggi, and plans to resume those talks on Monday for a Pacquiao-Malignaggi fight on March 13.

Malignaggi has suggested Pacquiao may have taken performance-enhancing drugs and Arum said Pacquiao would agree to some type of testing administered by a regulatory agency like the Nevada Athletic Commission to quell those fears.