**..:The Official Jewelry Thread Vol. 11: You get a Jesus piece! You get a Jesus piece! Everybody gets a Jesus piece:..**

[jchambers]

Excuse me, are we comparing da fake rarity of diamonds with da real value & wealth of gold?

Gold is valued for its rarity and conductivity. Diamonds are valued for their rarity, although the actual rarity can definitely be debated, due to the Debeers scam. However, I guarantee that nobody here has ever stumbled upon a naturally occurring VS diamond in the wilderness. So they are definitely more rare than a pinecone or a rock.Nah we aren't discussing that though. We got sidetracked. We are comparing the desirability of diamonds over moissanites to women. Diamonds win hands down. Moissanites are on the same level as CZs. Remember that diamonds are butter, not guns, gold chains are butter too. No financial advisor is going to tell you to invest in cuban links for a great return.

 

[harmito]

You looking at the **** for resale value and all that there ..

None of that matters when dealing with affairs of the heart

It's a damn engagement ring it's sentimental value also ..

 

[jchambers]

Why even cop the loon Jacob, Get a silver gold dipped one from lax for a fraction of the price...

Shhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt


How much that **** hitting for LAX?

LAX will make you an aluminum Jesus piece if you want. He is probably the only person mentioned in this thread who would even entertain the idea of making a moissanite or CZ Jesus piece.

 

[allstardope]

i actually chose to not flood the baby with diamonds and just done some vs/e diamonds for the crown and eyes/bail and im happy with the result i like the detail in the beard and hair over the stones and was cheaper too shrugs since were on the topic should of gone moissanite be even cheaper again hmm next time...  

 

[jchambers]

I mean, if our whole debate is what does the same thing for cheaper, then why drive a Mercedes when you can have a Honda Civic? The Honda will hold its value better than the Benz.Why wear Jordans? Some Wilson Athletics are made to the same standards. Why cop Levis when you can get some Wal Mart branded denim that will look exactly the same? Why not cop fake Jordan or bootleg shoes?

 

[ninjahood]

You looking at the **** for resale value and all that there ..

None of that matters when dealing with affairs of the heart

It's a damn engagement ring it's sentimental value also ..

**** that, they drill that into your head so you'll

Never try to sell it..cuz if you u do @ what you'll

Get back. Gold is something your ALWAYS get

Da value its worth according to da spot price.

 

[crystalmethod]

i actually chose to not flood the bab
y with diamonds and just done some vs/e diamonds for the crown and eyes/bail and im happy with the result i like the detail in the beard and hair over the stones and was cheaper too shrugs since were on the topic should of gone 
moissanite be even cheaper again hmm next time...
 

How much u pay if u don't mind me askin

 

[ninjahood]

I mean, if our whole debate is what does the same thing for cheaper, then why drive a Mercedes when you can have a Honda Civic? The Honda will hold its value better than the Benz.Why wear Jordans? Some Wilson Athletics are made to the same standards. Why cop Levis when you can get some Wal Mart branded denim that will look exactly the same? Why not cop fake Jordan or bootleg shoes?

we're talkin about performance of each stone, and god knows i rather drop 60k on a 580 horsepower camaro ZL1 then

a 360 modena pushing 400 horses TOPS because it says ferrari on da hood.
[table][tr][td]Unique Properties[/td][/tr][tr][td] [/td][td]
Refractive Index (Brilliance)
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Dispersion
(Fire)
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Luster Index
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Mohs
Hardness
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Toughness
[/td][td]
Specific Gravity
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Created Moissanite
[/td][td]
2.65 - 2.69
[/td][td]
0.104
[/td][td]
20.4%
[/td][td]
9.25
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Excellent
[/td][td]
3.21
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Diamond
[/td][td]
2.42
[/td][td]
0.044
[/td][td]
17.2%
[/td][td]
10
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Good *
[/td][td]
3.52
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Cubic Zirconia
[/td][td]
2.17
[/td][td]
.060
[/td][td]
N/A
[/td][td]
8.25
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N/A
[/td][td]
5.80
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Ruby
[/td][td]
1.77
[/td][td]
0.018
[/td][td]
7.4%
[/td][td]
9
[/td][td]
Excellent **
[/td][td]
4.00
[/td][/tr][tr][td]
Sapphire
[/td][td]
1.77
[/td][td]
0.018
[/td][td]
7.4%
[/td][td]
9
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Excellent **
[/td][td]
4.00
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Emerald
[/td][td]
1.58
[/td][td]
0.014
[/td][td]
4.8%
[/td][td]
7.5
[/td][td]
Good to Poor
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2.72
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it just out performs diamonds and every other stone, da fact that you said its on da same level as CZ is ignorance

**** aint cheap b.

 

[ninjahood]

Excuse me, are we comparing da fake rarity of diamonds with da real value & wealth of gold?

Gold is valued for its rarity and conductivity. Diamonds are valued for their rarity, although the actual rarity can definitely be debated, due to the Debeers scam. However, I guarantee that nobody here has ever stumbled upon a naturally occurring VS diamond in the wilderness. So they are definitely more rare than a pinecone or a rock.Nah we aren't discussing that though. We got sidetracked. We are comparing the desirability of diamonds over moissanites to women. Diamonds win hands down. Moissanites are on the same level as CZs. Remember that diamonds are butter, not guns, gold chains are butter too. No financial advisor is going to tell you to invest in cuban links for a great return.

but guess what, if you bought a cuban link in 2005-2006 and sold it now? exactly..

diamonds?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamonds_as_an_investment

 

[Betonblck]

Excuse me, are we comparing da fake rarity of diamonds with da real value

Gold is valued for its rarity and conductivity. Diamonds are valued for their rarity, although the actual rarity can definitely be debated, due to the Debeers scam. However, I guarantee that nobody here has ever stumbled upon a naturally occurring VS diamond in the wilderness. So they are definitely more rare than a pinecone or a rock.Nah we aren't discussing that though. We got sidetracked. We are comparing the desirability of diamonds over moissanites to women. Diamonds win hands down. Moissanites are on the same level as CZs. Remember that diamonds are butter, not guns, gold chains are butter too. No financial advisor is going to tell you to invest in cuban links for a great return.

but guess what, if you bought a cuban link in 2005-2006 and sold it now? exactly..

diamonds?

Are you even breaking even on a cuban from 2005-2006 with the markup/labor that you paid?

 

[jchambers]

Excuse me, are we comparing da fake rarity of diamonds with da real value

Gold is valued for its rarity and conductivity. Diamonds are valued for their rarity, although the actual rarity can definitely be debated, due to the Debeers scam. However, I guarantee that nobody here has ever stumbled upon a naturally occurring VS diamond in the wilderness. So they are definitely more rare than a pinecone or a rock.Nah we aren't discussing that though. We got sidetracked. We are comparing the desirability of diamonds over moissanites to women. Diamonds win hands down. Moissanites are on the same level as CZs. Remember that diamonds are butter, not guns, gold chains are butter too. No financial advisor is going to tell you to invest in cuban links for a great return.

but guess what, if you bought a cuban link in 2005-2006 and sold it now? exactly..

diamonds?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamonds_as_an_investment

Yeah I knew you would bring that up. That is a rare occurrence and I guarantee that you won't get a chance like that again in this lifetime. Did you come up on a tremendous profit on any gold jewelry that you ever owned? Nope. Me either. Son, are you posting properties of stones in here to justify your argument? Bottom line, except for very rare instances, diamonds and gold are butter, not guns and women want diamonds. Maybe that's stupid, but that is the way it is. Good luck changing it.

 

[allstardope]

How much u pay if u don't mind me askin

 If and co made it, cost around pm me 

 its 14k, weighs around 40g, all vs/e color diamonds eyes crown, bail, pigeon blood red ruby tears, emerald bogie, engraved im happy with it

 

[jchambers]

Excuse me, are we comparing da fake rarity of diamonds with da real value

Gold is valued for its rarity and conductivity. Diamonds are valued for their rarity, although the actual rarity can definitely be debated, due to the Debeers scam. However, I guarantee that nobody here has ever stumbled upon a naturally occurring VS diamond in the wilderness. So they are definitely more rare than a pinecone or a rock.Nah we aren't discussing that though. We got sidetracked. We are comparing the desirability of diamonds over moissanites to women. Diamonds win hands down. Moissanites are on the same level as CZs. Remember that diamonds are butter, not guns, gold chains are butter too. No financial advisor is going to tell you to invest in cuban links for a great return.

but guess what, if you bought a cuban link in 2005-2006 and sold it now? exactly..

diamonds?

Are you even breaking even on a cuban from 2005-2006 with the markup/labor that you paid?

You could make some dough on a chain if you bought it back then. Still a bad investment and the same amount of money could have returned a better profit if invested elsewhere. Ninja didn't come up on any gold, and neither did I.

 

[ez money]

well imma keep it 1000, asked my chick would she cared for lab created or those moisanites...... ummm yeah, she replied with "well i should take back your 2carat ring i got you and replace the diamonds with moisanites" So that convo is over hahaha

 

[ninjahood]

Excuse me, are we comparing da fake rarity of diamonds with da real value

Gold is valued for its rarity and conductivity. Diamonds are valued for their rarity, although the actual rarity can definitely be debated, due to the Debeers scam. However, I guarantee that nobody here has ever stumbled upon a naturally occurring VS diamond in the wilderness. So they are definitely more rare than a pinecone or a rock.Nah we aren't discussing that though. We got sidetracked. We are comparing the desirability of diamonds over moissanites to women. Diamonds win hands down. Moissanites are on the same level as CZs. Remember that diamonds are butter, not guns, gold chains are butter too. No financial advisor is going to tell you to invest in cuban links for a great return.

but guess what, if you bought a cuban link in 2005-2006 and sold it now? exactly..

diamonds?

Are you even breaking even on a cuban from 2005-2006 with the markup/labor that you paid?

HELLZ YEA, hell profiting and making out like a bandit.

Polished diamond prices vary widely depending on a diamond's carat, color, clarity and cut, sometimes referred to as the 4 C's. In contrast to precious metals, there is no universal world price per gram for diamonds.

 

[Betonblck]

Excuse me, are we comparing da fake rarity of diamonds with da real value

Gold is valued for its rarity and conductivity. Diamonds are valued for their rarity, although the actual rarity can definitely be debated, due to the Debeers scam. However, I guarantee that nobody here has ever stumbled upon a naturally occurring VS diamond in the wilderness. So they are definitely more rare than a pinecone or a rock.Nah we aren't discussing that though. We got sidetracked. We are comparing the desirability of diamonds over moissanites to women. Diamonds win hands down. Moissanites are on the same level as CZs. Remember that diamonds are butter, not guns, gold chains are butter too. No financial advisor is going to tell you to invest in cuban links for a great return.

but guess what, if you bought a cuban link in 2005-2006 and sold it now? exactly..


diamonds?

Are you even breaking even on a cuban from 2005-2006 with the markup/labor that you paid?

HELLZ YEA, hell profiting and making out like a bandit.

Polished diamond prices vary widely depending on a diamond's carat, color, clarity and cut, sometimes referred to as the 4 C's. In contrast to precious metals, there is no universal world price per gram for diamonds.

I doubt you doing much more than breaking even man. It would be different if you were just buying bullion but with that markup, idk.

Let's take an example.
http://danieljewelryinc.com/chains/10mm-miami-cuban-link-14k-chain.html

233g 14K cuban. Converts to 7.4911 troy ounces. 14/24 for amt of gold.

Gold prices have to go to $2200-$2300 just to break even after the dealer because you not going to get exactly spot price. The dealer is going to take his cut.

 

[harmito]

**** that, they drill that into your head so you'll

Never try to sell it..cuz if you u do @ what you'll

Get back. Gold is something your ALWAYS get

Da value its worth according to da spot price.

Dawg I don't even believe in engagement rings ..lol

 

[jchambers]

Excuse me, are we comparing da fake rarity of diamonds with da real value

Gold is valued for its rarity and conductivity. Diamonds are valued for their rarity, although the actual rarity can definitely be debated, due to the Debeers scam. However, I guarantee that nobody here has ever stumbled upon a naturally occurring VS diamond in the wilderness. So they are definitely more rare than a pinecone or a rock.Nah we aren't discussing that though. We got sidetracked. We are comparing the desirability of diamonds over moissanites to women. Diamonds win hands down. Moissanites are on the same level as CZs. Remember that diamonds are butter, not guns, gold chains are butter too. No financial advisor is going to tell you to invest in cuban links for a great return.

but guess what, if you bought a cuban link in 2005-2006 and sold it now? exactly..


diamonds?

Are you even breaking even on a cuban from 2005-2006 with the markup/labor that you paid?

HELLZ YEA, hell profiting and making out like a bandit.

Polished diamond prices vary widely depending on a diamond's carat, color, clarity and cut, sometimes referred to as the 4 C's. In contrast to precious metals, there is no universal world price per gram for diamonds.

I doubt you doing much more than breaking even man. It would be different if you were just buying bullion but with that markup, idk.

Let's take an example.
http://danieljewelryinc.com/chains/10mm-miami-cuban-link-14k-chain.html

233g 14K cuban. Converts to 7.4911 troy ounces. 14/24 for amt of gold.

Gold prices have to go to $2200-$2300 just to break even after the dealer because you not going to get exactly spot price. The dealer is going to take his cut.

Nobody came up like that on chains man. There isn't a universal world price per gram for cuban links either. Someone who invested in gold (commodities, not cubans) Could have come up investing from 1995 to about 2008. Not many people could have predicted all that though. You most likely could have come up better investing in Apple stock from that period. Nobody in here needs to act like they are some suave investor because they copped a cuban in the nineties and sold it in the 2000s.

 

[crystalmethod]

Holy ****

Is that graph accurate?
Didn't realize gold shot up that much

 

[jchambers]

Holy ****

Is that graph accurate?
Didn't realize gold shot up that much

Yep. I remember when it was 300 a gram and you could get a hefty setup for 5k.

 

[allstardope]

Yep. I remember when it was 300 a gram and you could get a hefty setup for 5k.

a gram? 

 

[jchambers]

Yep. I remember when it was 300 a gram and you could get a hefty setup for 5k.

a gram? 

Ounce.

 

[ez money]

gold was a crazy investment, even if you bought jewelry 10 yrs ago just cause and still have it. I was late to the wave, started coppin gold again in 2011 just cause and as an investment

 

[ninjahood]

Excuse me, are we comparing da fake rarity of diamonds with da real value

Gold is valued for its rarity and conductivity. Diamonds are valued for their rarity, although the actual rarity can definitely be debated, due to the Debeers scam. However, I guarantee that nobody here has ever stumbled upon a naturally occurring VS diamond in the wilderness. So they are definitely more rare than a pinecone or a rock.Nah we aren't discussing that though. We got sidetracked. We are comparing the desirability of diamonds over moissanites to women. Diamonds win hands down. Moissanites are on the same level as CZs. Remember that diamonds are butter, not guns, gold chains are butter too. No financial advisor is going to tell you to invest in cuban links for a great return.

but guess what, if you bought a cuban link in 2005-2006 and sold it now? exactly..


diamonds?

Are you even breaking even on a cuban from 2005-2006 with the markup/labor that you paid?

HELLZ YEA, hell profiting and making out like a bandit.

Polished diamond prices vary widely depending on a diamond's carat, color, clarity and cut, sometimes referred to as the 4 C's. In contrast to precious metals, there is no universal world price per gram for diamonds.

I doubt you doing much more than breaking even man. It would be different if you were just buying bullion but with that markup, idk.

Let's take an example.
http://danieljewelryinc.com/chains/10mm-miami-cuban-link-14k-chain.html

233g 14K cuban. Converts to 7.4911 troy ounces. 14/24 for amt of gold.

Gold prices have to go to $2200-$2300 just to break even after the dealer because you not going to get exactly spot price. The dealer is going to take his cut.

did you just see da chart i put, if you bought a chain back then you're getting everything you paid PLUS more.

if you paid 25k for a 2ct loose stone diamond you're gonna be lucky to get paid a THIRD of that back.

jewelers aren't gonna touch it unless they can get it cheaper then what they pay for diamonds wholesale.
[h1]The Greatest Story Ever Sold is a Fantasy Covered in Blood[/h1]
by Lynn Truong on 4 January 2007 123 comments

Photo: Warner Brothers

Happy New Year!

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Want an easy way to save 3+ months' salary? Don't buy a diamond engagement ring. If your fiancée, friends and family scream hellfire, calmly explain:

(See also: The Ethics of Free: Is it Wrong to Get Free Stuff?)

It's just marketing. The whole "A Diamond is Forever" and the idea of a diamond engagement ring is not an ancient tradition to be revered and followed. It is Sprite's "Obey Your Thirst." It is Nike's "Just Do It." It is Gary Dahl's "Pet Rock." Not only did De Beers understand it had to control supply (buying up and closing down any diamond mine discovered), they had to control demand. They had to make it sentimental. And Americans were the perfect suckers. They targeted the U.S. specifically for our marketability. This campaign is less than 70 years old yet has become so ingrained in our culture that the diamond engagement ring has become the ultimate symbol of how much the relationship, the girl, and love itself is worth.

Diamonds aren't rare. Fine, using marketing tactics can't be blamed since that's part of the game of capitalism. But another part of the game is competition. It's all well and good if marketers can convince consumers to buy them instead of the competition based on a nice slogan, but the competition should be there to protect the consumer. All gems are valued based on their rarity (as are most things in life). But diamonds are abundant. De Beers has a huge vault where they keep most of the world's supply of diamonds. If it ever got released into the market, the way it would be if they weren't a monopoly, diamonds would be worth nothing. It's literally a pretty rock.

Diamonds have no resale value. The reason a "diamond is forever" is because you're basically stuck with it. You'll never be able to resell it except to a pawn shop. Even a jeweler (the few who would be willing to buy it) would offer a fraction of what you paid.

Synthetic diamonds will flood the market. Synthetic or "cultured" diamonds are already being made and within the next few years, will be efficiently made for the mass market. These are real diamonds. They are made in a machine that replicates the environmental forces that make diamonds. The only difference is that they're better. They have less flaws. And they cost a fraction of the going rate. Want a 2-carat pink diamond? That'll be a few thousand dollars.

Moissanite looks just like a diamond. Jewelers had to upgrade their equipment to detect Moissanite from diamonds when it came into the market. It's undetectable with the naked eye. And it's actually more brilliant. A 1-carat ring is under $1000.

Who is the ring for, anyway? Seriously. As The Dilettante so poignantly put it, "For women, comparing jewelry is our phallic posturing contest: look at how big MY dic….er, I mean, diamond is." It's fun to show off for about 30 seconds. After that there is little to show for the debt incurred for the shiny piece of rock. That money could have gone into furniture, an amazing trip (or many nice ones), your future kids' college funds!!

Are these reasons still not enough? Watch Blood Diamond. It is high time Hollywood dared to broach the subject of diamonds, especially when they had a hand in marketing it to the public in the first place. Blood Diamond, is an explicit example of the blood and war that has spanned the entire history of the De Beers' diamond cartel. The story of Sierra Leone isn't an isolated event, nor is the conflict over just because the movie says there's peace in Sierra Leone now.

What are conflict/blood diamonds? Conflict/blood diamonds are used by rebel groups to fuel conflict and civil wars, and by terrorist groups to finance their activities.

The Kimberley Process is just PR. It's an agreement that is supposed to prevent conflict diamonds from getting into the market but ended up being more of a PR stunt since it's based on a system of self-policing. The U.N. reported in October 2006 that due to poor enforcement of the Kimberley Process, $23 million of conflict diamonds from Cote d'lvoire alone entered the legitimate market. Sure De Beers won't buy diamonds coming out of Cote d'lvoire, but they'll turn a blind eye to the smuggling of diamonds from there through Ghana and Mali where they are certified as being conflict-free.

Percentage in the market. During the height of the diamond conflict in the 1990s, the diamond industry reported that no more than 4% of the diamonds in the market were conflict diamonds, when in reality it has been shown to be closer to 15% .

Asking for conflict-free certificates is not enough. In April 2006 after a scathing report by Partnership Africa Canada about activities in Brazil, an internal review showed that 49 of 147 Kimberley Process certificates were fraudulent. Besides these fraudulent certificates, real certificates could still be issued if conflict diamonds were smuggled and mixed with legally traded ones before being certified.

Children in India are cutting and polishing the diamonds. Children in India can become "bonded" — forced to work to pay off the debts of their family. These children end up working in the diamond factories.

Children in conflict zones are being used as soldiers. The images in Blood Diamond with child soldiers are very real. They are drugged and brainwashed to handle the manslaughter they are forced to do.

Jennifer Connelly says in the movie Blood Diamond, "People back home would not buy a diamond if they knew it cost someone their hand." Now you know.

Additional Reources:

Have you ever tried to sell a diamond - Article from The Atlantic Monthly that chronicles the DeBeers marketing campaign
The New Diamond Age - Article from Wired magazine about the cultured diamond startups
Blood From Stones - LA Weekly
Diamonds? Not This Girl's Best Friend - Isabella On-Line Publication
Put a Stop to Blood Diamonds - Send a letter to the administration
The Truth About Diamonds - A Global Witness Report
The Kimberley Process At Risk - A Global Witness Report
Killing Kimberley? Conflict Diamonds and Paper Tigers - Partnership Africa Canada
The Kimberley Process update, November 13, 2006 - Global Witness
Conflict Diamonds Fact Sheet - Global Witness and Amnesty International
Blood Diamond/Clean Bracelet - Help raise awareness
The Diamond Invention
A History of the International Diamond Cartel
10 reasons why you should never accept a diamond ring - The Ultimate Field Guide to the U.S. Economy
Diamonds Suck! A personal essay on the virtures of Moissanite...
Child Slave Labor in India

http://www.wisebread.com/the-greatest-story-ever-sold-is-a-fantasy-covered-in-blood

 

[jchambers]

We aint debatin resale value of diamonds vs gold here. We talmbout fake diamonds.