The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap

Originally Posted by Rex Ryan

so glad the seasons back.

am i the only person who wishes nba season would start every year on christmas though?

it would be so much better to start a 82 game season on christmas, have it end in late may or early june and let the playoffs run through mid august.    have the all star game in april which would give more east coast cities a chance to host it as the nba has been mainly having it in west coast and warmer weather cities in recent years.

nba playoff games throughout the summer would be
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once the seasons over the nfl could hold things down until december  along with the mlb playoffs, college football, and to a lesser extent the nhl.

i love baseball and all, but it gets boring after a while every summer with nothing but baseball on between mid june and september.
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I would love that.
 
You can't do that because of the Olympics.

I'd be in favor of starting the season later but with less games. I love the NBA but after 82 games and playoffs that can drag on far too long, I don't want it extended.
 
You can't do that because of the Olympics.

I'd be in favor of starting the season later but with less games. I love the NBA but after 82 games and playoffs that can drag on far too long, I don't want it extended.
 
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The NBA and Players Association are discussing the formation of a committee to study the age minimum for the league’s draft with the possibility that no immediate changes to the “one-and-done
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Committee could study NBA draft rule

The NBA and Players Association are discussing the formation of a committee to study the age minimum for the league’s draft with the possibility that no immediate changes to the “one-and-done
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Big ups to Pmatic for keeping this thread updated through out the entire lockout...
I had intended to update it everyday, but couldn't edit the damn title...
But lets face it... The players could have decertified in July and it wouldn't have made a difference. The games missed and the decertification created this negotiation window, just like it did in the NFL.
Long term I'm firing Billy Hunter, and Stern could also be forced out.... But those 2 specifically Stern didn't have much to work with interns of motivation to get a deal done until the prospect of 6+ months of court litigation was imminent.

Having taken a step back the Owners have a choice on who they need to market to.
Bill Simmons had the CEO of Ticketmaster on one of his BS reports talking about the future of live events and how the tickets needed to be sold to garner more profits. All of the ideas seem to pander to the hardcore crowd, and getting and keeping the crowd that came back to the NBA last year into stadiums which will help long term. You either do that or you continue to allow the secondary ticket market to dominate the market and keep your limited revenue streams going....
At some point though they are going to have to change the structure because season ticket buyers will continue to go down in small markets, and they should focus on keeping their core, and attracting the casual/ less affluent markets to buy direct from them to maximize profits.
 
Big ups to Pmatic for keeping this thread updated through out the entire lockout...
I had intended to update it everyday, but couldn't edit the damn title...
But lets face it... The players could have decertified in July and it wouldn't have made a difference. The games missed and the decertification created this negotiation window, just like it did in the NFL.
Long term I'm firing Billy Hunter, and Stern could also be forced out.... But those 2 specifically Stern didn't have much to work with interns of motivation to get a deal done until the prospect of 6+ months of court litigation was imminent.

Having taken a step back the Owners have a choice on who they need to market to.
Bill Simmons had the CEO of Ticketmaster on one of his BS reports talking about the future of live events and how the tickets needed to be sold to garner more profits. All of the ideas seem to pander to the hardcore crowd, and getting and keeping the crowd that came back to the NBA last year into stadiums which will help long term. You either do that or you continue to allow the secondary ticket market to dominate the market and keep your limited revenue streams going....
At some point though they are going to have to change the structure because season ticket buyers will continue to go down in small markets, and they should focus on keeping their core, and attracting the casual/ less affluent markets to buy direct from them to maximize profits.
 
Originally Posted by Big J 33

You can't do that because of the Olympics.

I'd be in favor of starting the season later but with less games. I love the NBA but after 82 games and playoffs that can drag on far too long, I don't want it extended.
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I think its a good idea, and there are ways to work around the Olympics, which would only happen every 4 years.
Because the Winter Olympics happen in February the NHL has to deal with this every 4 years. What they do is stop playing game about 3 days before the Games start, and then resume play about 2 days after the Games end so you have a stretch of about 2 weeks with no games. Which is okay because during those 2 weeks everybody's watching the Olympics anyways so the season kind of takes a backseat 
 
Originally Posted by Big J 33

You can't do that because of the Olympics.

I'd be in favor of starting the season later but with less games. I love the NBA but after 82 games and playoffs that can drag on far too long, I don't want it extended.
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I think its a good idea, and there are ways to work around the Olympics, which would only happen every 4 years.
Because the Winter Olympics happen in February the NHL has to deal with this every 4 years. What they do is stop playing game about 3 days before the Games start, and then resume play about 2 days after the Games end so you have a stretch of about 2 weeks with no games. Which is okay because during those 2 weeks everybody's watching the Olympics anyways so the season kind of takes a backseat 
 
Originally Posted by Big J 33

You can't do that because of the Olympics.

I'd be in favor of starting the season later but with less games. I love the NBA but after 82 games and playoffs that can drag on far too long, I don't want it extended.
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i didn't even think about the olympics, i goofed on that.  im sure it would be possible to do something similar to what the nhl does when the winter olympics come around and just have no games for 2 weeks, but seeing how the olympics start in late august, early september, the season would most likely be over already.

i don't mind the 82 game schedule, i just don't like how the playoff scheduling is.

in 2010 the lakers swept the jazz in the 2nd round and the suns swept the spurs in the 2nd round.   it took a week for them to start the conference finals and then when the conference finals did start  game 1 was on monday, game 2 on wednesday,  then the next game wasn't until sunday.   the way the nba spreads the playoffs out is unnecessary imo,   hell i would love to see the first round go back to best of 5 as well.
 
Originally Posted by Big J 33

You can't do that because of the Olympics.

I'd be in favor of starting the season later but with less games. I love the NBA but after 82 games and playoffs that can drag on far too long, I don't want it extended.
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i didn't even think about the olympics, i goofed on that.  im sure it would be possible to do something similar to what the nhl does when the winter olympics come around and just have no games for 2 weeks, but seeing how the olympics start in late august, early september, the season would most likely be over already.

i don't mind the 82 game schedule, i just don't like how the playoff scheduling is.

in 2010 the lakers swept the jazz in the 2nd round and the suns swept the spurs in the 2nd round.   it took a week for them to start the conference finals and then when the conference finals did start  game 1 was on monday, game 2 on wednesday,  then the next game wasn't until sunday.   the way the nba spreads the playoffs out is unnecessary imo,   hell i would love to see the first round go back to best of 5 as well.
 
Fisher: This is about the players' interests, not me and Billy Hunter

A long day was getting longer by the minute for Derek Fisher, the last of the Oklahoma City Thunder players to leave the visitors locker room after their latest win late Friday night.
His job as a player was done, meaning it was time for the 16-year veteran and president of the National Basketball Players Association to talk about the off-court action that isn't quite as fun these days. Fisher is under siege from executive director Billy Hunter and the union's executive committee, the two parties pairing up to push for his resignation this week after he pushed for an outside review of the NBPA's business practices and finances.

The reaction was swift and severe, and it remains to be seen whether the bylaws allow for Fisher, who has made it clear he won't resign, to be unseated if he refuses to go. Yet as Fisher discussed his situation at length with a small group of media after the game, he raised a fair question that he's hoping will be answered in the coming weeks: Why would he go to all this trouble -- to invite the criticism, endanger his stellar reputation and distract a team that is vying for a championship -- without a good reason?

"I ... challenge people to think about why I would choose consciously to do that," Fisher said. "Normally at this time of year, the one thing that I've always wanted to concentrate solely on is helping lead the team to a championship.

"If this was just about me, that's what I would do. I would just concentrate on basketball. But because this is bigger than me, this is bigger than any one person. It's really about all players and what's best for our guys, then I'm willing to take the hits and some of the scrutiny that will come with some of the decisions I make."

The allegations, according to NBPA vice president Maurice Evans in an interview with the Washington Times, range from misappropriation of funds to the way union decisions were handled during the lockout to Hunter being guilty of nepotism. While Hunter's backers are quick to point out that nepotism exists throughout the NBA, his critics see it as excessive in his case.

His daughter, Robyn, and daughter-in-law, Megan Inaba, are on the NBPA's staff, while his son, Todd, of Prim Capital Corp in Cleveland, has been retained to run the NBPA's Players Financial Awareness Program and his daughter, Alexis, was used as outside counsel during the lockout. And while Fisher and Hunter had a falling out during the lockout that almost stayed quiet until the end, Fisher insists this isn't about them. Fisher has two more seasons left on his term as president, while Hunter -- a former U.S. Counsel who started at the union in 1996 and reportedly earns $2.4 million annually -- has a contract that runs through 2016.

"It's not about personal allegations or pointing fingers at any one person," he said. "It's truly about the truth in general. And that truth could call into question everyone, including my leadership and including other people who may work at the players association.

"It's not just about Billy Hunter and myself. There are staff members at the PA that have committed their careers, who will be reviewed, and all of our business practices and finances. I just think it's the right thing to do, considering how much is generally at stake going forward, and that we shouldn't just wait until there's a collective bargaining agreement to negotiate to try and rally our troops. We should find out how to better do our jobs so that six or seven years from now, we're in a stronger, more educated, more efficient position to negotiate our players the best way we can."

In an NBPA statement to the media on Friday announcing the executive committee's 8-0 vote to oust Fisher, it was also noted that the union had conducted annual financial audits and business reviews "following the negotiation of the 1999 and 2005 Collective Bargaining Agreements." Another business review would be conducted "in a timely manner," the statement read, "with the support of the entire executive committee."

Yet Fisher has been pushing for the use of the law firm, Patton Boggs, and it remains to be seen how many players will forge ahead with him in this fight. Thunder forward Nick Collison, who isn't the team representative but was far and away the most active member from Oklahoma City during the lockout, said he supports Fisher.

"With the way the lockout went for us, I don't think it'd be perceived as a win for players -- by any means -- among most players and among most people who followed it," he told SI.com. "So I think it would be definitely beneficial to take a look at our union, how we're doing business and how things are run and see if we can make improvements.

"I definitely think that Derek has earned at least the right to have reservations, if he does. And for the next step to be to try to get rid of him a day or two later after asking to take a look at how we do business doesn't seem right to me."

If anything, Collison added, it only makes him more suspicious.

"The whole idea that it's possible to get rid of him after a day or two speaks to the need for more transparency in how we do business and how the union is set up," he continued. "A swift action and all of a sudden to try to get rid of Derek -- if that's what happening -- doesn't seem right, I don't think, to anybody. He's elected by the players, and I think there definitely needs to be more conversation to what's going on with this issue."

Durant opted not discuss the topic at length, saying only "I hope it all works out." Guard Russell Westbrook, who Collison said is the backup team representative, said "I don't know what's going on" before indicating he wanted to talk to Fisher more before forming an opinion. Kings team representative Chuck Hayes told The Sacramento Bee he "totally disagrees" with the push to force Fisher out.

Yet no one was as candid as Thunder center Kendrick Perkins, who made his feelings known that Fisher has the players' best interests at heart.

"My opinion is this: D-Fish's job is to protect the players, and that's what he's doing," Perkins said. "He just did something that they hadn't seen before. Everybody is watching everybody else, but who's looking out and making sure they're doing their jobs.

"He did what he's supposed to do -- protect the players. And if you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't want to push him out if he's just doing his job. Whatever you're hiding in the dark, it's going to come to light."

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Fisher: This is about the players' interests, not me and Billy Hunter

A long day was getting longer by the minute for Derek Fisher, the last of the Oklahoma City Thunder players to leave the visitors locker room after their latest win late Friday night.
His job as a player was done, meaning it was time for the 16-year veteran and president of the National Basketball Players Association to talk about the off-court action that isn't quite as fun these days. Fisher is under siege from executive director Billy Hunter and the union's executive committee, the two parties pairing up to push for his resignation this week after he pushed for an outside review of the NBPA's business practices and finances.

The reaction was swift and severe, and it remains to be seen whether the bylaws allow for Fisher, who has made it clear he won't resign, to be unseated if he refuses to go. Yet as Fisher discussed his situation at length with a small group of media after the game, he raised a fair question that he's hoping will be answered in the coming weeks: Why would he go to all this trouble -- to invite the criticism, endanger his stellar reputation and distract a team that is vying for a championship -- without a good reason?

"I ... challenge people to think about why I would choose consciously to do that," Fisher said. "Normally at this time of year, the one thing that I've always wanted to concentrate solely on is helping lead the team to a championship.

"If this was just about me, that's what I would do. I would just concentrate on basketball. But because this is bigger than me, this is bigger than any one person. It's really about all players and what's best for our guys, then I'm willing to take the hits and some of the scrutiny that will come with some of the decisions I make."

The allegations, according to NBPA vice president Maurice Evans in an interview with the Washington Times, range from misappropriation of funds to the way union decisions were handled during the lockout to Hunter being guilty of nepotism. While Hunter's backers are quick to point out that nepotism exists throughout the NBA, his critics see it as excessive in his case.

His daughter, Robyn, and daughter-in-law, Megan Inaba, are on the NBPA's staff, while his son, Todd, of Prim Capital Corp in Cleveland, has been retained to run the NBPA's Players Financial Awareness Program and his daughter, Alexis, was used as outside counsel during the lockout. And while Fisher and Hunter had a falling out during the lockout that almost stayed quiet until the end, Fisher insists this isn't about them. Fisher has two more seasons left on his term as president, while Hunter -- a former U.S. Counsel who started at the union in 1996 and reportedly earns $2.4 million annually -- has a contract that runs through 2016.

"It's not about personal allegations or pointing fingers at any one person," he said. "It's truly about the truth in general. And that truth could call into question everyone, including my leadership and including other people who may work at the players association.

"It's not just about Billy Hunter and myself. There are staff members at the PA that have committed their careers, who will be reviewed, and all of our business practices and finances. I just think it's the right thing to do, considering how much is generally at stake going forward, and that we shouldn't just wait until there's a collective bargaining agreement to negotiate to try and rally our troops. We should find out how to better do our jobs so that six or seven years from now, we're in a stronger, more educated, more efficient position to negotiate our players the best way we can."

In an NBPA statement to the media on Friday announcing the executive committee's 8-0 vote to oust Fisher, it was also noted that the union had conducted annual financial audits and business reviews "following the negotiation of the 1999 and 2005 Collective Bargaining Agreements." Another business review would be conducted "in a timely manner," the statement read, "with the support of the entire executive committee."

Yet Fisher has been pushing for the use of the law firm, Patton Boggs, and it remains to be seen how many players will forge ahead with him in this fight. Thunder forward Nick Collison, who isn't the team representative but was far and away the most active member from Oklahoma City during the lockout, said he supports Fisher.

"With the way the lockout went for us, I don't think it'd be perceived as a win for players -- by any means -- among most players and among most people who followed it," he told SI.com. "So I think it would be definitely beneficial to take a look at our union, how we're doing business and how things are run and see if we can make improvements.

"I definitely think that Derek has earned at least the right to have reservations, if he does. And for the next step to be to try to get rid of him a day or two later after asking to take a look at how we do business doesn't seem right to me."

If anything, Collison added, it only makes him more suspicious.

"The whole idea that it's possible to get rid of him after a day or two speaks to the need for more transparency in how we do business and how the union is set up," he continued. "A swift action and all of a sudden to try to get rid of Derek -- if that's what happening -- doesn't seem right, I don't think, to anybody. He's elected by the players, and I think there definitely needs to be more conversation to what's going on with this issue."

Durant opted not discuss the topic at length, saying only "I hope it all works out." Guard Russell Westbrook, who Collison said is the backup team representative, said "I don't know what's going on" before indicating he wanted to talk to Fisher more before forming an opinion. Kings team representative Chuck Hayes told The Sacramento Bee he "totally disagrees" with the push to force Fisher out.

Yet no one was as candid as Thunder center Kendrick Perkins, who made his feelings known that Fisher has the players' best interests at heart.

"My opinion is this: D-Fish's job is to protect the players, and that's what he's doing," Perkins said. "He just did something that they hadn't seen before. Everybody is watching everybody else, but who's looking out and making sure they're doing their jobs.

"He did what he's supposed to do -- protect the players. And if you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't want to push him out if he's just doing his job. Whatever you're hiding in the dark, it's going to come to light."

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the executive committee (from nbpa.org)

i just looked, thunder have no remaining games against any of these guys
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shoot, are theo ratliff and etan thomas still in the league?!

IMO, there's def. some shady biz going on here with billy hunter. sounds like hes trying to cover his @+! by throwing out random accusations at d-fish.
 
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the executive committee (from nbpa.org)

i just looked, thunder have no remaining games against any of these guys
laugh.gif


shoot, are theo ratliff and etan thomas still in the league?!

IMO, there's def. some shady biz going on here with billy hunter. sounds like hes trying to cover his @+! by throwing out random accusations at d-fish.
 
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