The Official NBA Season Thread: Las Vegas Summer League

[ballinsam23]

First time hearing of these type of glizzies

 

[Quincy McCall]

The Culture finna' be aight, always is

 

[HOU$TON]

First round picks? From the Clippers? Must have been in the 2030s then.

Maybe 2028 and 2030?

Please make that same offer for harden

 

[lawdog1]

First time hearing of these type of glizzies

That doesn’t surprise me really.

But they are a signature Wisconsin food, so it’s crazy that Giannis went about a decade living at least part-time in that state without having one.

Would be similar to living in NYC for 10 years and never hearing of a chopped cheese.

 

[elpablo21]

First time hearing of these type of glizzies

They're the tbh

 

[Manny Fernandez718]

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

And The Buffalo

 

[lovehateself]

GlizzyTalk

Louisiana hot links >

 

[pmatic]

Spoiler

As Celtics trade for Jrue Holiday, Malcolm Brogdon saga comes to an end

Days after the Milwaukee Bucks’ blockbuster trade sent Jrue Holiday to Portland for Damian Lillard, the Celtics responded by snagging Holiday themselves. Boston is trading for the All-Star defensive stalwart, league sources tell The Athletic, sending Malcolm Brogdon, Robert Williams III, the Warriors’ 2024 first-round pick and the Celtics’ unprotected 2029 first-round pick to Portland.

It’s a substantial price for a 33-year-old guard coming off one of the best regular seasons of his career, but it is a clear signal the Celtics are going all-in on the Eastern Conference arms race after the Bucks threw down the gauntlet. Boston’s starting lineup will now likely be Holiday, Derrick White, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum and Kristaps Porziņģis: three All-Stars from 2023, a former All-Star and one of the league’s top role players.

Boston is once again positioned for legitimate contention, top-loading the roster with several stars while betting its young depth will be ready to step up in the postseason. This also brings an end to the Brogdon saga, centered on his frayed relationship with the organization following the Porziņģis trade talks.

While Brad Stevens worked to repair it over the past few months, reintegrating a player after they were widely presumed to be traded presented a significant challenge. The Sixth Man of the Year spent the summer wanting a new start elsewhere but did not want to hold out at training camp, according to team and league sources who were granted anonymity so they could speak freely.

After the Celtics’ Game 7 elimination in the Eastern Conference finals back in May, Brogdon was one of the veterans who was publicly critical of the team’s approach and effort. Following exit meeting discussions, Brogdon was under the impression he was part of the team’s long-term plans, according to team sources. After a few weeks of rumors that Boston could trade one of its point guards for a forward, he was on the verge of being traded to the LA Clippers in the original framework of the Porziņģis deal.

But as the ill-fated agreement was coming together, rumors began to circulate that Brogdon required surgery on the partially torn elbow tendon that ended his season early, and reports suggested there might have been more injury concerns that could put his long-term health in jeopardy. Because he was planning to simply rehab the elbow and the other areas of concern in his lower body felt relatively fine, according to sources briefed on his recovery plan, Brogdon became increasingly frustrated.

Late on June 21, as the midnight deadline for Porziņģis’ player option approached, the Clippers and Celtics were unable to finalize the deal. Porziņģis was not willing to push his option deadline another 24 hours and was about to hit free agency, per team and league sources, and Los Angeles could not complete its review of Brogdon’s medical situation in time.

Brogdon was scheduled to fly to Los Angeles for an examination of his elbow the next day, but Boston could not afford to wait and pivoted to trade Marcus Smart to the Memphis Grizzlies in a three-team deal that sent the Celtics Porziņģis and two first-round picks. Smart and Danilo Gallinari, who was sent to Washington in the three-team trade, also were under the impression after their exit meetings that they were a part of the team’s future plans, according to league sources.

The disconnect with Brogdon was exacerbated when Joe Mazzulla told reporters that White would be the starting point guard following Brown’s contract extension news conference on July 26. Brogdon, who has a strong relationship with White, anticipated the Smart trade would leave the door open for a competition to earn the starting point guard spot. But White was granted the role after becoming one of the most important players on the team last year.

Right after Mazzulla said White would start that day, he was asked about the situation with Brogdon.

“I think anytime you are in a situation like that and you are in a relationship, you just have to take some small steps into it,” Mazzulla said. “There is a healing process, there is a listening process and to see where we are at and where we have to get to. We’ve had some conversations as an organization but at the same time, we understand the situation that it was and as the healing process goes on, we will move forward as well as you can.”

According to team sources, Brogdon only had communication with Brad Stevens during the offseason, with Stevens flying to Atlanta to meet with Brogdon in early August. Stevens worked throughout the offseason to mend the relationship with Brogdon and made progress. The sixth man eventually was willing to rejoin the team, even if he still preferred a fresh start elsewhere. The now fully healthy Brogdon returned to work out in the Boston area ahead of training camp in late September, while the Celtics continued to engage in trade discussions surrounding Brogdon and Holiday, according to team and league sources.

Now the Celtics can move forward with the ideal replacement for Smart. Holiday will answer all the questions about how Boston maintains its defensive edge after its summer departures.

Though Holiday has developed a reputation for inconsistency in the postseason the past two years, he was often the second option in Milwaukee with Khris Middleton injured. In Boston, he’s likely the fourth option, the ideal place for someone on the downslope of their prime.

Holiday makes $36.8 million this season, which includes $1.9 million in likely incentives and $.4 million in unlikely incentives. He then has a $37.4 million player option to exercise next summer with a similar incentive structure. He becomes extension-eligible in January, and considering he turns 34 in June and there is uncertainty about how teams will use cap space next year under this new CBA, his best chance for long-term security may be through an extension.

Of course, the Celtics have to be certain they are strong title contenders to make that commitment. With the significant restrictions attached to the second tax apron, staying in it for more than a couple of years can cause significant consequences down the road. Teams will likely only remain there if they are absolutely certain they can win a title, then will quickly pivot out of it once their window is closing.

The Celtics already extended Porziņģis to keep him around for two more years after this season, hinting at how long they can tolerate the second apron. Now that both Robert and Grant Williams are gone, the future of the frontcourt solely rests on Porziņģis.

By trading Robert Williams instead of trying to package together the majority of the bench, the Celtics were able to maintain their prospect depth and build a bench for the future with Payton Pritchard, Sam Hauser and Jordan Walsh. The Celtics have opened extension talks with Pritchard but still have a gap to close to reach an agreement, according to sources briefed on the negotiations.

The Celtics have come away from this offseason narrowing down their breadth of talent but adding a current All-Star and a former All-Star who finally found that form again last season. The Lillard-Giannis Antetokounmpo pairing may end up being the top duo in the NBA, but the Celtics have possibly their best depth of high-end talent in over a decade. The Bucks put the league on notice with the Lillard deal, but the Celtics have unequivocally responded to the challenge.

 

[Manny Fernandez718]

 

[storm2006]

****ing babies

Yeah, Miami stood no chance lol

Smart moves all around by the Portland front office.

Miami kept calling Portland with that disrespectful Herro-centric trade that they refused to loop a third team in on and Cool Joe Cronin had to remind them that he was taught how to negotiate at The School of Kevin Chang

 

[art vandelay]

Wow

Brown 2 firsts 3 swaps for the next disgruntled star (Giannis)

Holiday
White
Tatum
Giannis
Porzingis

I wonder if these assets are the ghosts of the Ainge era…..

 

[Manny Fernandez718]

 

[pmatic]

In 10 years, the league will be comprised of legacy kids and players named Nikola _o_ic.

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

Celtics going all in this year.

Celtics vs Bucks ECF

Lakers vs Suns WCF

Lakers vs MIL NBA Finals

AD vs Giannis. Bron vs Dame. Reaves vs Middleton. Rui vs Bobby and Hayes/Wood vs the Lopez Twins.

The script is real.

NBA wants big ratings next summer

 

[nick.]

Spoiler

As Celtics trade for Jrue Holiday, Malcolm Brogdon saga comes to an end

Days after the Milwaukee Bucks’ blockbuster trade sent Jrue Holiday to Portland for Damian Lillard, the Celtics responded by snagging Holiday themselves. Boston is trading for the All-Star defensive stalwart, league sources tell The Athletic, sending Malcolm Brogdon, Robert Williams III, the Warriors’ 2024 first-round pick and the Celtics’ unprotected 2029 first-round pick to Portland.

It’s a substantial price for a 33-year-old guard coming off one of the best regular seasons of his career, but it is a clear signal the Celtics are going all-in on the Eastern Conference arms race after the Bucks threw down the gauntlet. Boston’s starting lineup will now likely be Holiday, Derrick White, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum and Kristaps Porziņģis: three All-Stars from 2023, a former All-Star and one of the league’s top role players.

Boston is once again positioned for legitimate contention, top-loading the roster with several stars while betting its young depth will be ready to step up in the postseason. This also brings an end to the Brogdon saga, centered on his frayed relationship with the organization following the Porziņģis trade talks.

While Brad Stevens worked to repair it over the past few months, reintegrating a player after they were widely presumed to be traded presented a significant challenge. The Sixth Man of the Year spent the summer wanting a new start elsewhere but did not want to hold out at training camp, according to team and league sources who were granted anonymity so they could speak freely.

After the Celtics’ Game 7 elimination in the Eastern Conference finals back in May, Brogdon was one of the veterans who was publicly critical of the team’s approach and effort. Following exit meeting discussions, Brogdon was under the impression he was part of the team’s long-term plans, according to team sources. After a few weeks of rumors that Boston could trade one of its point guards for a forward, he was on the verge of being traded to the LA Clippers in the original framework of the Porziņģis deal.

But as the ill-fated agreement was coming together, rumors began to circulate that Brogdon required surgery on the partially torn elbow tendon that ended his season early, and reports suggested there might have been more injury concerns that could put his long-term health in jeopardy. Because he was planning to simply rehab the elbow and the other areas of concern in his lower body felt relatively fine, according to sources briefed on his recovery plan, Brogdon became increasingly frustrated.

Late on June 21, as the midnight deadline for Porziņģis’ player option approached, the Clippers and Celtics were unable to finalize the deal. Porziņģis was not willing to push his option deadline another 24 hours and was about to hit free agency, per team and league sources, and Los Angeles could not complete its review of Brogdon’s medical situation in time.

Brogdon was scheduled to fly to Los Angeles for an examination of his elbow the next day, but Boston could not afford to wait and pivoted to trade Marcus Smart to the Memphis Grizzlies in a three-team deal that sent the Celtics Porziņģis and two first-round picks. Smart and Danilo Gallinari, who was sent to Washington in the three-team trade, also were under the impression after their exit meetings that they were a part of the team’s future plans, according to league sources.

The disconnect with Brogdon was exacerbated when Joe Mazzulla told reporters that White would be the starting point guard following Brown’s contract extension news conference on July 26. Brogdon, who has a strong relationship with White, anticipated the Smart trade would leave the door open for a competition to earn the starting point guard spot. But White was granted the role after becoming one of the most important players on the team last year.

Right after Mazzulla said White would start that day, he was asked about the situation with Brogdon.

“I think anytime you are in a situation like that and you are in a relationship, you just have to take some small steps into it,” Mazzulla said. “There is a healing process, there is a listening process and to see where we are at and where we have to get to. We’ve had some conversations as an organization but at the same time, we understand the situation that it was and as the healing process goes on, we will move forward as well as you can.”

According to team sources, Brogdon only had communication with Brad Stevens during the offseason, with Stevens flying to Atlanta to meet with Brogdon in early August. Stevens worked throughout the offseason to mend the relationship with Brogdon and made progress. The sixth man eventually was willing to rejoin the team, even if he still preferred a fresh start elsewhere. The now fully healthy Brogdon returned to work out in the Boston area ahead of training camp in late September, while the Celtics continued to engage in trade discussions surrounding Brogdon and Holiday, according to team and league sources.

Now the Celtics can move forward with the ideal replacement for Smart. Holiday will answer all the questions about how Boston maintains its defensive edge after its summer departures.

Though Holiday has developed a reputation for inconsistency in the postseason the past two years, he was often the second option in Milwaukee with Khris Middleton injured. In Boston, he’s likely the fourth option, the ideal place for someone on the downslope of their prime.

Holiday makes $36.8 million this season, which includes $1.9 million in likely incentives and $.4 million in unlikely incentives. He then has a $37.4 million player option to exercise next summer with a similar incentive structure. He becomes extension-eligible in January, and considering he turns 34 in June and there is uncertainty about how teams will use cap space next year under this new CBA, his best chance for long-term security may be through an extension.

Of course, the Celtics have to be certain they are strong title contenders to make that commitment. With the significant restrictions attached to the second tax apron, staying in it for more than a couple of years can cause significant consequences down the road. Teams will likely only remain there if they are absolutely certain they can win a title, then will quickly pivot out of it once their window is closing.

The Celtics already extended Porziņģis to keep him around for two more years after this season, hinting at how long they can tolerate the second apron. Now that both Robert and Grant Williams are gone, the future of the frontcourt solely rests on Porziņģis.

By trading Robert Williams instead of trying to package together the majority of the bench, the Celtics were able to maintain their prospect depth and build a bench for the future with Payton Pritchard, Sam Hauser and Jordan Walsh. The Celtics have opened extension talks with Pritchard but still have a gap to close to reach an agreement, according to sources briefed on the negotiations.

The Celtics have come away from this offseason narrowing down their breadth of talent but adding a current All-Star and a former All-Star who finally found that form again last season. The Lillard-Giannis Antetokounmpo pairing may end up being the top duo in the NBA, but the Celtics have possibly their best depth of high-end talent in over a decade. The Bucks put the league on notice with the Lillard deal, but the Celtics have unequivocally responded to the challenge.

The 24 Hours That Led to the Jrue Holiday Deal

cc: HIM

 

[Manny Fernandez718]

I miss the early 2000's New Jersey Nets and Detroit Pistons

 

[JD617]

akajae Can you put Pat Riley in here

 

[dman14]

coworker grew up in wisconsin. we would fire up the grill and he would bring in homemade brats. was

 

[danger style]

Miami kept calling Portland with that disrespectful Herro-centric trade that they refused to loop a third team in on and Cool Joe Cronin had to remind them that he was taught how to negotiate at The School of Kevin Chang

 

[danger style]

Spoiler

As Celtics trade for Jrue Holiday, Malcolm Brogdon saga comes to an end

Days after the Milwaukee Bucks’ blockbuster trade sent Jrue Holiday to Portland for Damian Lillard, the Celtics responded by snagging Holiday themselves. Boston is trading for the All-Star defensive stalwart, league sources tell The Athletic, sending Malcolm Brogdon, Robert Williams III, the Warriors’ 2024 first-round pick and the Celtics’ unprotected 2029 first-round pick to Portland.

It’s a substantial price for a 33-year-old guard coming off one of the best regular seasons of his career, but it is a clear signal the Celtics are going all-in on the Eastern Conference arms race after the Bucks threw down the gauntlet. Boston’s starting lineup will now likely be Holiday, Derrick White, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum and Kristaps Porziņģis: three All-Stars from 2023, a former All-Star and one of the league’s top role players.

Boston is once again positioned for legitimate contention, top-loading the roster with several stars while betting its young depth will be ready to step up in the postseason. This also brings an end to the Brogdon saga, centered on his frayed relationship with the organization following the Porziņģis trade talks.

While Brad Stevens worked to repair it over the past few months, reintegrating a player after they were widely presumed to be traded presented a significant challenge. The Sixth Man of the Year spent the summer wanting a new start elsewhere but did not want to hold out at training camp, according to team and league sources who were granted anonymity so they could speak freely.

After the Celtics’ Game 7 elimination in the Eastern Conference finals back in May, Brogdon was one of the veterans who was publicly critical of the team’s approach and effort. Following exit meeting discussions, Brogdon was under the impression he was part of the team’s long-term plans, according to team sources. After a few weeks of rumors that Boston could trade one of its point guards for a forward, he was on the verge of being traded to the LA Clippers in the original framework of the Porziņģis deal.

But as the ill-fated agreement was coming together, rumors began to circulate that Brogdon required surgery on the partially torn elbow tendon that ended his season early, and reports suggested there might have been more injury concerns that could put his long-term health in jeopardy. Because he was planning to simply rehab the elbow and the other areas of concern in his lower body felt relatively fine, according to sources briefed on his recovery plan, Brogdon became increasingly frustrated.

Late on June 21, as the midnight deadline for Porziņģis’ player option approached, the Clippers and Celtics were unable to finalize the deal. Porziņģis was not willing to push his option deadline another 24 hours and was about to hit free agency, per team and league sources, and Los Angeles could not complete its review of Brogdon’s medical situation in time.

Brogdon was scheduled to fly to Los Angeles for an examination of his elbow the next day, but Boston could not afford to wait and pivoted to trade Marcus Smart to the Memphis Grizzlies in a three-team deal that sent the Celtics Porziņģis and two first-round picks. Smart and Danilo Gallinari, who was sent to Washington in the three-team trade, also were under the impression after their exit meetings that they were a part of the team’s future plans, according to league sources.

The disconnect with Brogdon was exacerbated when Joe Mazzulla told reporters that White would be the starting point guard following Brown’s contract extension news conference on July 26. Brogdon, who has a strong relationship with White, anticipated the Smart trade would leave the door open for a competition to earn the starting point guard spot. But White was granted the role after becoming one of the most important players on the team last year.

Right after Mazzulla said White would start that day, he was asked about the situation with Brogdon.

“I think anytime you are in a situation like that and you are in a relationship, you just have to take some small steps into it,” Mazzulla said. “There is a healing process, there is a listening process and to see where we are at and where we have to get to. We’ve had some conversations as an organization but at the same time, we understand the situation that it was and as the healing process goes on, we will move forward as well as you can.”

According to team sources, Brogdon only had communication with Brad Stevens during the offseason, with Stevens flying to Atlanta to meet with Brogdon in early August. Stevens worked throughout the offseason to mend the relationship with Brogdon and made progress. The sixth man eventually was willing to rejoin the team, even if he still preferred a fresh start elsewhere. The now fully healthy Brogdon returned to work out in the Boston area ahead of training camp in late September, while the Celtics continued to engage in trade discussions surrounding Brogdon and Holiday, according to team and league sources.

Now the Celtics can move forward with the ideal replacement for Smart. Holiday will answer all the questions about how Boston maintains its defensive edge after its summer departures.

Though Holiday has developed a reputation for inconsistency in the postseason the past two years, he was often the second option in Milwaukee with Khris Middleton injured. In Boston, he’s likely the fourth option, the ideal place for someone on the downslope of their prime.

Holiday makes $36.8 million this season, which includes $1.9 million in likely incentives and $.4 million in unlikely incentives. He then has a $37.4 million player option to exercise next summer with a similar incentive structure. He becomes extension-eligible in January, and considering he turns 34 in June and there is uncertainty about how teams will use cap space next year under this new CBA, his best chance for long-term security may be through an extension.

Of course, the Celtics have to be certain they are strong title contenders to make that commitment. With the significant restrictions attached to the second tax apron, staying in it for more than a couple of years can cause significant consequences down the road. Teams will likely only remain there if they are absolutely certain they can win a title, then will quickly pivot out of it once their window is closing.

The Celtics already extended Porziņģis to keep him around for two more years after this season, hinting at how long they can tolerate the second apron. Now that both Robert and Grant Williams are gone, the future of the frontcourt solely rests on Porziņģis.

By trading Robert Williams instead of trying to package together the majority of the bench, the Celtics were able to maintain their prospect depth and build a bench for the future with Payton Pritchard, Sam Hauser and Jordan Walsh. The Celtics have opened extension talks with Pritchard but still have a gap to close to reach an agreement, according to sources briefed on the negotiations.

The Celtics have come away from this offseason narrowing down their breadth of talent but adding a current All-Star and a former All-Star who finally found that form again last season. The Lillard-Giannis Antetokounmpo pairing may end up being the top duo in the NBA, but the Celtics have possibly their best depth of high-end talent in over a decade. The Bucks put the league on notice with the Lillard deal, but the Celtics have unequivocally responded to the challenge.

The “Malcolm Brogdon Saga”?

 

[Manny Fernandez718]

That attitude can push you to do a lot of things

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Is Jrue Holiday being overrated at this point?

He is, because he quite when he's bad he really don't catch no Heat. Dude has shot 32% or lower the last 3 years in the playoffs. It's weird.

 

[pmatic]

 

[D StaXX]

Jordan Poole time!