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That’s where is messed up right now. You should be caring about the common good of people not just yourself it’s human decency . Life has to go back to somewhat normlacy as best as we can for various reasons be it economics,social .Theres also still a vaccine mandate in all arenas iirc. You arent going to live in a bubble forever .

Issac touched on it in that clip, but there's a lot of talk about the common good & human decency until that persons thinking doesn't align with yours..... then it very quickly becomes something else.

And again i understand there's a vaccine mandate in these arenas, we are still seeing relatively high hospitalization numbers even in those who are vaxxed. If anyone truly cares for the better good & the end of this pandemic i think it would be pretty common thought that fitting thousands in closed arenas, in close proximity isn't beneficial to that AT ALL.
 
With everything that's been going on within the past 18 months, the thought beckons--Who will be remembered on the wrong side of history?

Everything is documented/archived these days. This will follow you and your family for a lifetime.
 
I remember hearing how we could end the pandemic in a matter of weeks if everyone just wore a mask. And then the CDC lifted the mask mandate
This kinda leaves a lot out though.

Because I seem to remember the argument being if everyone wore a mask and adhered to other mitigation tactics 100% then that would end pandemic because it will starve the virus of a new host to spread to. Then that was especially true early in the pandemics when there were no vaccines. But not everyone did this, not even close.

The CDC lifted the mask mandate like 13 months after they issued it the advisory for people to start wearing them because the vaccine rollout was in full swing, cases were low, and Delta wasn't a thing yet, and they lifted it only for vaccinated people. They were enraging every to get vaccinated, for us to reach herd immunity, so that way mask wouldn't be needed by anyone
 
This kinda leaves a lot out though.

Because I seem to remember the argument being if everyone wore a mask and adhered to other mitigation tactics 100% then that would end pandemic because it will starve the virus of a new host to spread to. Then that was especially true early in the pandemics when there were no vaccines. But not everyone did this, not even close.

The CDC lifted the mask mandate like 13 months after they issued it the advisory for people to start wearing them because the vaccine rollout was in full swing, cases were low, and Delta wasn't a thing yet, and they lifted it only for vaccinated people. They were enraging every to get vaccinated, for us to reach herd immunity, so that way mask wouldn't be needed by anyone
It was a mistake to lift the mask mandate. I think that much is simple enough. There were never any measures implemented to ensure that it was only lifted for vaccinated people as far as I know and that contributed to a resurgence. If it wasn't a mistake they wouldn't have reinstituted the mandate, no? I'm just answering the question 'how else are we supposed to end this pandemic'.
 
And then not everyone wore a mask. And then we gained more information about the virus.

It's okay to not immediately have the answers. It's okay to change stances when presented with new information.

This is a very reasonable assumption, just like it's very reasonable for someone who is on the borderline about getting the Vaccine seeing these stances & information change so rapidly & wanting to hold off on getting it.

Yet somehow people seem to convolute those with logical reasoning into deep web conspiracy theorist that think the world is trying to microchip them.
 
The sentiment seems to be that anyone who doesn't get vaccinated is an idiot who deserves whatever consequences come to them. Then there's the argument that they are selfish because they can potentially spread the virus to others. But they would primarily be spreading it to other unvaccinated idiots who deserve whatever consequences come to them
 
It was a mistake to lift the mask mandate. I think that much is simple enough. There were never any measures implemented to ensure that it was only lifted for vaccinated people as far as I know and that contributed to a resurgence. If it wasn't a mistake they wouldn't have reinstituted the mandate, no? I'm just answering the question 'how else are we supposed to end this pandemic'.
They lifted it because there exists another method to stop the pandemic. Which they were encouraging folk to do that.

Furthermore, Delta wasn't a jaor thing in the US when they made their announcement in May

It just seems weird to strip all context out of their decision to make it seems they made a mistake

Conditions change, people don't follow instructions. So recommendations change too

If everyone had worn masks and taken all the mitigation tactics last 100% as the CDC recommended, that could have made a massive step in ending the pandemic. But folk didn't do that

Everyone had gotten the vaccine, we would not be seeing the large Delta spike we are seeing now. But again, people didn't

So we are here.
 
They lifted it because there exists another method to stop the pandemic. Which they were encouraging folk to do that.

Furthermore, Delta wasn't a jaor thing in the US when they made their announcement in May

It just seems weird to strip all context out of their decision to make it seems they made a mistake

Conditions change, people don't follow instructions. So recommendations change too

If everyone had worn masks and taken all the mitigation tactics last 100% as the CDC recommended, that could have made a massive step in ending the pandemic. But folk didn't do that

Everyone had gotten the vaccine, we would not be seeing the large Delta spike we are seeing now. But again, people didn't

So we are here.
Everyone didn't wear a mask so why would they think everyone would get the shot? It seems weird to try to absolve the decision makers from responsibility in this instance. I don't see how it can be argued that it wasn't a mistake
 
To me, we're at the point with COVID where raw case numbers are irrelevant.

How many people are hospitalized? How many ICU beds are available in a given region? How many non-COVID patients can a hospital admit?

Like a few others have mentioned, yes, the majority of people are vaccinated so if an unvaccinated person spreads COVID to them, it's a good chance that person will be okay. Which is the whole point of the vaccine.
 
The sentiment seems to be that anyone who doesn't get vaccinated is an idiot who deserves whatever consequences come to them. Then there's the argument that they are selfish because they can potentially spread the virus to others. But they would primarily be spreading it to other unvaccinated idiots who deserve whatever consequences come to them
Like I said yesterday...

-The can also spread it to immunocompromised people
-They can spread it to people that can't get the vaccine for valid reasons
-They can let it spread some more risk of a variant popping up that can beat the vaccine
-Overruns hospitals delaying care for others
-Makes everyone else's insurance go up

So yeah, if someone is heartless about what happens to the unvaccinated, they still got reason to care/be pissed at their choices. There are consequences that go beyond the unvaccinated getting sick.
 
To me, we're at the point with COVID where raw case numbers are irrelevant.

How many people are hospitalized? How many ICU beds are available in a given region? How many non-COVID patients can a hospital admit?
Those facts aren't really provided.

How many folks are really going to those COVID websites with the heat maps?

The NYC and SF mandates are new. However, the issue with COVID-19 in the US is nothing has been mandated. Just guidance and recommendations. Competing against capitalism.
 
Everyone didn't wear a mask so why would they think everyone would get the shot? It seems weird to try to absolve the decision makers from responsibility in this instance. I don't see how it can be argued that it wasn't a mistake
I am not absolving anyone of any responsibility. I said in the Covid thread I think they are jumping the gun. But to be fair, I didn't know Delta was gonna rage through the US like it did.

But it seems you are kinda leaving out important details

Like, they told unvaccinated people to keep wearing masks. Their guidance was to get the shot, or wear a mask. It wasn't everyone stop wearing a mask
 
The right went from shut Up & Dribble to requesting athlete interviews
The left went from everyone should have a voice this is a democracy,!! To why do these Jocks even have mics in front of them

complete comedic gold

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Like I said yesterday...

-The can also spread it to immunocompromised people
-They can spread it to people that can't get the vaccine for valid reasons
Is there any data for this? What percentage of people are vaxxed and immunocompromised and still contracting covid? What percentage of people in the US legitimately can't get the vaccine? That's not a counterargument, it's just a question. You're never going to see 100% vax so right or wrong it's up to those high risk individuals to take extra precautions one way or another
 
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